Rublev into Top Ten by end of Roland Garros (Delpo too!)

When does Rublev make the top ten?

  • End of 2018

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dgold44

G.O.A.T.
Here is the current rankings projection of a sort for the future top 10 with notes on the likely big movers (the players current points less their points from early 2017 through RG; players who had a great 2nd half to 2017 naturally up higher on this list):
1 Roger Federer 5560 (unlikely to play clay)
2 Rafael Nadal 3730
3 Grigor Dimitrov 3730
4 Alexander Zverev 2740 (solid ranking even with the loss of 1000 points for Rome)
5 Marin Cilic 2625
6 David Goffin 2200 (will move up rankings during clay season)
7 Kevin Anderson 2185 (Anderson makes top 10 with good early hard court season)
8 Juan Martin Del Potro 2080 (A shoe in if he's not injured)
9 Jack Sock 1880
10 Sam Querrey 1655
11 John Isner 1610
12 Adrian Mannarino 1290
13 Roberto Bautista Agut 1260
14 Diego Schwartzman 1205 (On the move upwards with a good clay season)
15 Damir Dzumhur 1180 (On the move upwards with a good clay season)
16 Lucas Pouille 1165
17 Filip Krajinovic 1117 (On the move upwards with a good clay season)
18 Nick Kyrgios 1110 (unlikely to play great on clay so Auz Open huge)
19 Andrey Rublev 1091 (SEE BELOW)
20 Dominic Thiem 1075 (likely to have another great clay season, top 20 player off clay)
21 Tomas Berdych 1045
22 Gilles Muller 1015

Rublev is playing really well to start out 2018 and has clearly had an excellent conditioning session over the off-season training with Thiem's group. Rublev's serve game is still a relative weakness, but his return game has been on the rise for several years and the early signs show Rublev with much more stamina and vastly better footwork to start out 2018. Here is his progression on return (forgive the reused graphic):
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The bolded above show Rublev's impressive progress over the last few years with return points won. Chung and Coric are more typical for developing players with return games generally not showing great leaps early in a player's career and then leveling out and declining after age 24. The 6' 2", scrawny Rublev is a very, very different. His numbers have been building based on a strong 2nd return game where he just punishes lesser serves. Now in early 2018, Rublev has made a huge leap forward in stamina and footwork from just a few months ago (doubting this?, catch his recent match with a goating wall of rebounding Pella in Doha where Rublev turns it on at the end of the match.)

What this means is Rublev is going to have another jump in his return numbers this year and will have himself a top notch return game (much better than Kyrgios, Zverev, and just about all the rest save Thiem who has improved in early 2018 markedly.) Rublev's is an odd return game mind you because its really driven by 2nd return.

Even without a great serve (and his first serve kept him in the match with Pella by the skin of his teeth), this won't matter nearly as much on clay. Rublev has all the tools to have a great clay season and squeak into the top 10 by the conclusion of Roland Garros. If Rublev beats the wiley and resurgent Monfils in the Doha final tomorrow he'll move up to 15 on this list and will only need to gain about 700 points on Querrey and Sock to pass them by the end of RG.

Feel free to comment on any player listed above and their likely ranking come grass season.:p

I bet 130 pound Rublev is going to get a serious injury as a boy's body cannot play with the massive men on the tour. Plus Rublev seems like a nasty kid , too. Then again the depth in today's game is getting pretty damn weak
 

Meles

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dgold44

G.O.A.T.
When the big 3 retire I think most people will stop watching tennis for a few decades and only talk about the past.
The newcomers are dry and boring and all play like robots
 

dgold44

G.O.A.T.
Gulbis becomes a geriatric in 2018 (turns 30) and retirement coming his way.
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So you've got Rublev rocketing downwards in the rankings from here on out Saby?:rolleyes:

I think Rublev would do well in the WTA circuit !!! Maybe he needs to start massive steroid injections as it worked for many Russian Olympic champs
 
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Gulbis becomes a geriatric in 2018 (turns 30) and retirement coming his way.
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So you've got Rublev rocketing downwards in the rankings from here on out Saby?:rolleyes:
No but he's not making the top 10 before Roland Garros considering he's ranked 39 right now and just lost a 250 final to Monfils. :rolleyes:
 

Meles

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I bet 130 pound Rublev is going to get a serious injury as a boy's body cannot play with the massive men on the tour. Plus Rublev seems like a nasty kid , too. Then again the depth in today's game is getting pretty damn weak
As we discussed in your thread scrawny is working out pretty well for Angrey. Has gone from 142 to 162 over the last couple years so the trend is good. It will take longer for his serve to fully develop, but it will keep getting better for years and years.

The number one question is will this years leap in footwork help Rublev on clay? I'm banking on it, but that could easily go down in flames.

Rublev is top 32 now, so let's look at his schedule and points:
Auckland - out early
Auz Open - R32 90
Montpellier - SF 90
Rotterdam - QF 90
Open 13 - SF 90
IW - R32 45
Miami - R16 90
Monte Carlo - R16 90 (180)
Barcelona - QF 90 (180)
Madrid - R16 90 (180)
Rome - R16 90 (180)
RG - R16 180 (360)

This is 1000 more points and that is pretty aggressive by assuming Rublev always matches his ranking. This would probably get Rublev to top 20. Assuming Rublev is ready to make some clay runs then we have the options in parentheses. This adds another 540 points and gets Rublev to 2600 points which may be the threshold. Sock would have to gain only 800 points during the same period. Last year Sock gained about 1200 points during this period, but he won two hard court tournaments and had deep runs at IW and Miami. Drop him back one round at these 4 events and Sock loses 470 points and is in range.:p
 
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As we discussed in your thread scrawny is working out pretty well for Angrey. Has gone from 142 to 162 over the last couple years so the trend is good. It will take longer for his serve to fully develop, but it will keep getting better for years and years.

The number one question is will this years leap in footwork help Rublev on clay? I'm banking on it, but that could easily go down in flames.

Rublev is top 32 now, so let's look at his schedule and points:
Auckland - out early
Auz Open - R32 90
Montpellier - SF 90
Rotterdam - QF 90
Open 13 - SF 90
IW - R32 45
Miami - R16 90
Monte Carlo - R16 90 (180)
Barcelona - QF 90 (180)
Madrid - R16 90 (180)
Rome - R16 90 (180)
RG - R16 180 (360)

This is 1000 more points and that is pretty aggressive by assuming Rublev always matches his ranking. This would probably get Rublev to top 20. Assuming Rublev is ready to make some clay runs then we have the options in parentheses. This adds another 540 points and gets Rublev to 2600 points which may be the threshold. Sock would have to gain only 800 points during the same period. Last year Sock gained about 1200 points during this period, but he won two hard court tournaments and had deep runs at IW and Miami. Drop him back one round at these 4 events and Sock loses 470 points and is in range.:p
He's listed at 150 pounds (68 kg). Where is the evidence of him gaining 12 pounds more?
 

Meles

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No but he's not making the top 10 before Roland Garros considering he's ranked 39 right now and just lost a 250 final to Monfils. :rolleyes:
Oops. 32 in the live rankings and he'll be seeded at Auz.;) Seeding will help the climb.:cool:
 
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Oops. 32 in the live rankings and he'll be seeded at Auz.;) Seeding will help the climb.:cool:
He will make the 3rd round. Doesn't mean he's cracking the top 10 before Roland Garros. You do realize the gulf in points between No. 32 and No. 10 is massive, right?
 

Meles

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He's listed at 150 pounds (68 kg). Where is the evidence of him gaining 12 pounds more?
Oops my bad, on the bright side I'll take lighter over heavier. Nole is 170 pounds, so Rublev can keep strengthening with no fear of getting too heavy.
 
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Oops my bad, on the bright side I'll take lighter over heavier. Nole is 170 pounds, so Rublev can keep strengthening with no fear of getting too heavy.
Djokovic is at 170 pounds but he wasn't before. During his best seasons he was 10 pounds heavier with more muscle on him. He's actually had pretty poor results at 170 pounds.
 

Meles

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He will make the 3rd round. Doesn't mean he's cracking the top 10 before Roland Garros. You do realize the gulf in points between No. 32 and No. 10 is massive, right?
That is part of the fun of this thread because the gap temporarily not so massive with the vacuum at the very top. I've got some posts detailing the points needed in events right above.
 
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That is part of the fun of this thread because the gap temporarily not so massive with the vacuum at the very top. I've got some posts detailing the points needed in events right above.
The gap is massive. He'd have to double his points from here on out, not just for the whole year but for about 4-5 months.

To be ranked No. 10 you need 2,620 points at least. To be ranked in the single digits you need at least 3,000.
 

Meles

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The gap is massive. He'd have to double his points from here on out, not just for the whole year but for about 4-5 months.

To be ranked No. 10 you need 2,620 points at least. To be ranked in the single digits you need at least 3,000.
Exactly. I show the breakout at each event in the posts above.
 
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dgold44

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As we discussed in your thread scrawny is working out pretty well for Angrey. Has gone from 142 to 162 over the last couple years so the trend is good. It will take longer for his serve to fully develop, but it will keep getting better for years and years.

The number one question is will this years leap in footwork help Rublev on clay? I'm banking on it, but that could easily go down in flames.

Rublev is top 32 now, so let's look at his schedule and points:
Auckland - out early
Auz Open - R32 90
Montpellier - SF 90
Rotterdam - QF 90
Open 13 - SF 90
IW - R32 45
Miami - R16 90
Monte Carlo - R16 90 (180)
Barcelona - QF 90 (180)
Madrid - R16 90 (180)
Rome - R16 90 (180)
RG - R16 180 (360)

This is 1000 more points and that is pretty aggressive by assuming Rublev always matches his ranking. This would probably get Rublev to top 20. Assuming Rublev is ready to make some clay runs then we have the options in parentheses. This adds another 540 points and gets Rublev to 2600 points which may be the threshold. Sock would have to gain only 800 points during the same period. Last year Sock gained about 1200 points during this period, but he won two hard court tournaments and had deep runs at IW and Miami. Drop him back one round at these 4 events and Sock loses 470 points and is in range.:p

Rublev now weighs 162 pounds !!!!
 
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Exactly. I show the breakout at each event in the posts above.
You did the same "breakout" thing for Gulbis and he is now ranked No. 199 in the world. You predicted he'd make the top 10 again.
 

Meles

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You did the same "breakout" thing for Gulbis and he is now ranked No. 199 in the world. You predicted he'd make the top 10 again.
That was just his chances at Wimbledon based on the one thread. Gulbis fizzled by the end of July.
 

Meles

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That didn't help him. He wasn't as good in 2016 as he was in 2015 when he was 10 pounds heavier and a stronger player. In the second half of the year he lost to a bunch of guys he normally wouldn't and Andy Murray.
Elbow issues started early 2016. @Djokovic2011 and I spotted this during IW/Miami swing, but did not know the reason.
 

Sysyphus

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Oops my bad, on the bright side I'll take lighter over heavier. Nole is 170 pounds, so Rublev can keep strengthening with no fear of getting too heavy.

This is the ideal male body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

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Meles

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Better than expected net progress for Rublev so far who has close the gap with Sock to 719 points (from 789 points) through the Auz Open. Thiem expected to still be in top 10 by end of RG, so Kyrgios making move with Brisbane win and good Auz Open so far may require Angrey to catch Anderson or Goffin.:confused: Luckily both of these players also dumped eary at Auz as well as many of the top 10 wanna be's (Querrey, Isner, RBA).:p

Update on Rublev's race to the top 10 by RG's end (bolded out of Auz Open):
1 Roger Federer 5740
2 Rafael Nadal 3910
3 Grigor Dimitrov 3910
4 Marin Cilic 2760
5 Alexander Zverev 2740
6 Juan Martin Del Potro 2320
7 David Goffin 2245 - dumped really early so may be in range for Angrey
8 Kevin Anderson 2195 - dumped first round at Auz which cuts his move from final at Pune
9 Jack Sock 1890 - gone first round
10 Sam Querrey 1700 - gone 2nd round Auz
11 John Isner 1620 - gone 1st round
12 Nick Kyrgios 1450 - Angrey's number one threat, but rough draw at Auz with Dimitrov next.
13 Roberto Bautista Agut 1430 - won Auckland, but dumped at Auz early
14 Adrian Mannarino 1405 - good Auz
15 Diego Schwartzman 1385 - good Auz, but Nadal later today
16 Damir Dzumhur 1270 - good Auz Open, but out now
17 Dominic Thiem 1255
18 Tomas Berdych 1180 - in fine form and still gaining points at Auz with Fognini next
19 Fabio Fognini 1175 - great Auz Open
20 Andrey Rublev 1171 - has gained 80 points on Sock since OP despite failing to take out Dimitrov (nice match)
21 Filip Krajinovic 1117 - did not play Auz Open
22 Pablo Carreno Busta 1100 - Cilic may stop PCB's move in a few hours
 
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