Rule Question on a Let Call

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by Baxter, Jul 4, 2012.

  1. TeflonTom

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    brah 1337 is entirely different
     
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    d0n't h4te, 4ppr3c14t3
     
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    Some moron was calling "ad-in" and "ad-out" for 40-30 in a recent match and I had no idea why. Now I understand.

    It's idiotic. Call the correct score. Not the "equivalent" score.
     
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  4. Z-Man

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    Don't you mean 45-30? I get so uptight when people use "equivalents".
     
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    I played a 16 year old Japanese kid yesterday that spoke no English except for "advantage receiver" and "advantage server". It was his first day in the US. From now on that's how I'm going to call it, complete with the thick accent.
     
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  6. Baxter

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    So anyone who calls add in at 40-30 is a moron and an idiot. I feel sorry for your playing partners, and you. This board never ceases to amaze me.
     
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    Doing idiotic things doesn't make someone an idiot. Calling 40-30 ad-in is pretty idiotic though...
     
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  8. floridatennisdude

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    Why is it idiotic to call 40-30 "ad in"? It means the exact same thing. Anyone with a 2nd grade education can figure it out.

    Calling 40-30 "ad out" would be idiotic. Because it makes no sense and is just wrong.
     
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    By this logic why not randomly call "ad in" 40-30? I'm with the "just use the correct score" group.
     
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    This happened at my match today. I knew what he meant, no big deal. I'm a correct score caller, but it really shouldn't be something to get upset about.
     
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    But why do they have to figure it out? There's a person clearly calling the incorrect score and the opponent gets labelled stupid for not going along with it.

    And to all the people that are saying they've done it for however many years, doing something wrong for an extended period of time won't magically make it right.
     
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    If calling 40-30 "Ad In" freaks you guys out, you must really go nuts when people call a 3-2 game score "Thirty-Two" or 5-5 "Fives", etc.
     
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    ^^^^ Yeah, I was going to say similar... I for one prefer to call the score correctly and not substitute ad-in for 40-30, but in the grand scheme of things, if that's my opponent's worst quirk and he is otherwise a fair player, then it's all good.
     
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  14. TeflonTom

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    this

    its just a needless complication
     
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    I'm in the camp of saying the actual score myself, but if my opponent wants to call 40-30 "ad in", I don't get bothered by it. Just not something worth getting worked up about.
     
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    They have to figure it out because the opponent has just challenged them to confirm whether or not they in fact have a 2nd grade education. If they are unable to analyze an ad in score, they are amongst the lower 2% of the world in intelligence. They are frazzled by this puzzle and are using 5 of their 9 brain cells tring to figure out where the missing 2 points went. When down to just 4 brain cells, they have no chance.

    (yes, this is being sarcastic. Yes, I think people who get confused by this score call are pretty stupid. Sorry if it offends, just how I feel)
     
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    Although rather weak, there might be something of a reason.

    In fencing, you play to 5 "touches". First to 5 touches. 5-4? you lose.

    4-4 was referred to as "La Belle", because it impliedly meant the opponents were pretty evenly matched, and some competitive fencing was goign on, a good thing.

    Perhaps some folks think that it is somewhat a mark of competitiveness and earnign the opponent's respect that you take them to 40-40 before you get to call it deuce. Calling 30-30 cheapens the word "deuce" in their minds...?
     
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  18. Mauvaise

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    It doesn't mean the exact same thing though.

    40-30 means that (5) points have been played in that game and "ad in (or out)" means that (7) points have been played in that game. That is a big difference. Especially if there is a scoring dispute and you have to mentally replay each game point.
     
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    But I don't think that the question is whether or not they have the mental capacity to compute that these scores are analogous. As other posters have pointed out, there are more disadvantages to doing this than advantages, so why do it?

    In addition, you can argue that if a player has a set of quite simple scoring rules to follow, but is unable or refuses to do so, what does that say about his/her intelligence? :)
     
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    When I was growing up, I played a lot of pick up basketball in inner city parks. Game was to 15, win by 2. Once both teams reached 10-10, the score would become 1-0 when it was actually 11-10, 2-1 at 12-11, etc.

    I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the 9 other guys sharing the playground with me had a lower avg IQ than 99% of my lifetime tennis opponents. Yet, everyone just got it on the hoops side.

    So, I guess my point is that some people just get it. Others don't. I live in a world where when you are one point from the game in tennis, it's termed "ad" and everyone just knows this. I guess in other folks worlds, this is just too much to handle. Sorry, seems odd to me.
     
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  21. floridatennisdude

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    Really? That's why you choose to split hairs? Because...this happens all the time? In a mental recount, you think it is too difficult to find your way to 40-30?

    Wow.
     
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    its not that its too much to handle. its just that its a needless complication to what is already a simple n perfectly adequate scoring system

    seems to me that ur just bein different for the sake o bein different
     
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  23. floridatennisdude

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    ^^^haha, "simple" scoring system. Haha! 1st point = 15, 2nd = 30, 3rd = 40. Not sure that the common folk would call that "simple".

    Calling a game duece at 30-all Has never struck me as complicated. Others differ on what is complicated to them apparently.
     
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    I have already stated (in this thread or another where this came up) that while this would jar me a little, I wouldn't correct someone that called "ad-in" on 40-30, so I'm not out there splitting hairs.

    However, it is disingenuous to claim that 40-30 and "ad-in" are "the exact same thing". That is where I'll split hairs. Call the score how you will I don't really care, but words mean things and exact same thing and two different things entirely are not the same.
     
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  25. sundaypunch

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    After 40-30 how about just going back to 30-30 instead of deuce? Or after your 4th deuce, call out the score as 40-30 instead of ad-in? It is the same thing right?
     
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    And I think when the score is 30-15, the score should be announced "almost ad-in".
     
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    Does "ad-in" mean "advantage in?" Not to split hairs but I hate to burn extra brain cells mentally translating these short cuts to the correct call out, "Advantage Mr. Smith."

    Just the other day my rec opponent wanted to go to a tie-breaker at six all and I had to correct him in that he hadn't stated we weren't playing an advantage set. The things some players will try to pull.
     
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    Which world is that? Because it's not the tennis world. I can guarantee you that you will NEVER hear a professional chair umpire call 40-30 as "Advantage-Player". Because that is not when the Advantage scoring comes into play.


    Just as you'll never hear a professional call 30-30 Deuce. Because it's NOT the same thing.



    Yes, I think people who call the score incorrectly are pretty stupid. Sorry if it offends, just how I feel.*


    (*not really, but I was paraphrasing floridatennisdude from a previous post).
     
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    A couple years ago when just discovering tennis I played with an otherwise wonderful lady who would constantly correct my score phrasing. I had no idea what I was doing wrong. After several matches she finally turned to me in exasperation and told me how difficult it was to keep track of the score with me calling 40-30 as ad-in. Now I've been married 20 years; trained to just nod and adapt to whatever a lady wants although having no idea as to why.

    Two years later and I think I might now get it.
     
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  30. floridatennisdude

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    Yea, seriously. The ladies on this topic are mind boggling about what gets their panties wadded up.

    But, truth be told, if my wife put up a stink about 40-30 not being as-in I would nod and adapt.
     
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  31. Mongolmike

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    Boy, ain't that the truth.

    It's like that one guy who was all bent out of shape and called into question other poster's intelligence (whom he didn't even know or know anything about!) because they wanted to play by the established rules and call the score properly and he wanted to use his version of scoreboard short-hand. What a riot... but some people are like that.....
     
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    It doesn't mean the exact same thing. Would you play duece (40-40) and then say 40-30? No you'd say ad-in because the point after duece is the advantage. 40-30 isn't the advantage it's 40-30.

    I'm not saying that it's so confusing that I get worked up about it. I just think it's a stupid idea to give a score that goes against the expectation. After a 30-30 game if you lose the point as the returner then you expect to hear 40-30. Anything different from that will give a moment of hesitation while you try to reconcile your expectation with what you just heard and make sure they are equivalent. If I played you a couple games, though, I'd figure out that you call it wrong and from then on I'd change my expectation. Doesn't change the fact that it throws the returner off the first time if they don't know you.
     
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  33. jmnk

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    no, it doesn't mean that. Not if you have multiple deuces in a game. I suppose in such cases the players could not have possibly figured out anything scoring wise since they would get confused if 7, or 9 or 11, or more points have been played. :roll:
     
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    ur takin a system known all over the world 2 every tennis player evrywhere, n changin it

    its not bout whether what ur suggestin makes sense or not. its not bout whether it is hard or easy 2 work out what u r doin. its just stupid 2 give pts a new name 4 no reason whatsoever

    the system works n its what every1 is familiar with. changin it is just bein different 4 the sake o bein different
     
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  35. jonnythan

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    Calling the wrong but "equivalent" score just gives your opponent an excuse to interrupt you to clarify.

    The obvious answer here is to call the right score. Is it easier to say "ad in" than "40 30" or something?
     
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    Oh, the sweet smell of delicious irony!
     
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  37. dcdoorknob

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    wat u tlkn bout dood
     
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    Brah, I dont get it
     
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    "Is it easier to say "ad in" than "40 30" or something?"

    Absolutely! Only 2 syllables versus 4 syllables - at my age I need to do anything I can to save energy.
     
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    "Four Three" :)
     
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    ah but i have a reason 4 typin the way i type dood ;)
     
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    I assume you're talking about floridatennisdude complaining about people saying deuce at 30-30 while also using "ur" instead of "your" because those also are effectively equivalent.
     
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  43. TeflonTom

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    nothin gets past this dood
     
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    I would love to know why. Seriously, I read your posts with respect. I just wonder why you shortcut all your words.
     
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    Because he has two accounts and tries to differentiate his persona...
     
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  46. TeflonTom

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    thats like askin james joyce y he wrote ulysses in stream of consciousness

    i be a firm believer in writin the way the words most naturally come 2 ur fingers

    we r all just beatin the cracked kettle anyway
     
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    negatori ghost rider
     
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    Tom, I rather enjoy your contemporary surfer vernacular. Lulz for sure. Keep it up, brah.
     
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  49. floridatennisdude

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    And I believe in calling the score in tennis the way it most naturally comes to my brain.

    Oddly enough, I reached duece/ad in my first service game tonight. I announced "advantage, mr xxxx". My opponent stopped me and asked what I said. I told him that I was calling it like they do in the pros. He laughed at me an told me I was a loser. I agrees with him. So I stopped calling it like a chair ump does.
    - just a shout out to the poster who said that you should call it like the pros do
     
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    Dood tennis scores aint self expression. theyre math
     

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