Rutgers Coach/ad Gone

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  1. comeback

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    The Rutgers Univ basketball coach was fired and the AD just resigned. The coach was fined 75k and suspended 3 days back in Nov but the tape just surfaced to the media, not sure if any of the players are complaining. The tape shows 4 incidences in 3 year period..I grew up old school and saw coaches pushing around players/verbal abuse (not punching). Comments
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbaYqcMMZ6A

    ps here is an article of 2 players supporting the fired coach
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...players-defend-fired-coach-mike-rice/2055011/
     
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  2. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I posted this in the "March Madness 2013" thread, but I'll post it here too.
    What ever happened to college and university being role models to their student body?

    I know many people enjoy college athletics, good for you and keep cheering for your team. However, I think the media and marketing exposure is putting so much pressure for these kids to perform, it becomes easy for a corrupted individual to go down the wrong path.

    The incident with Rutgers, Mike Rice is in the wrong, that much is obvious. But what about the officials responsible for him? Rutgers' president for example, why wasn't Rice fired on the spot after "supposedly" viewing the videos back in December? He either didn't watch the tape, which is negligence. Or he watched it and didn't see it as a fireable offense, which is poor judgement.
     
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  3. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I'm watching the Rutgers news conference. And there's a lot of finger pointing going on, shame on them.

    And the reporters are drilling them with good questions.
     
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  4. comeback

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    I'm certainly not disagreeing with you, but why can't a good coach be rehabilitated if he has anger management issues? And also a good Athletic Director now lost his job..we rehabilitate criminals who do far worse
     
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  5. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Finished watching the press conference, way to point fingers back and forth guys. That was a horrible press conference and zero accountability was taken. (also, zero f**ks were given to this incident by these officials)
     
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    The University certainly has a "double jeopardy" problem having already punished him for these offenses last year and now firing him, but clearly he had to go. His behavior was not only repugnant but criminal; being a coach doesn't give you the right to throw things at people's heads. His language was intolerable for a faculty member (yes, the coach holds a faculty appointment) and was inexplicable considering the suicide that rocked the University in the recent past. Good riddance.
     
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    (oh, and the team sucked)
     
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    (is Phil Jackson still available?)
     
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    He lost his job. Go into an office and whip a basketball at someones head and let me know how long you keep your job. You cant physically strike people with stuff and expect to stay employed. Also you cant be throwing around slur words and than be shocked when people get upset.

    We dont rehab criminals to take big time jobs either. They hopefully move into labor type jobs and become a useful member of society. The Rutgers head basketball job is not an easy job to obtain and this jackass just lost it because he still thinks he is at recess in the 1st grade.
     
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    Great post, just playing devils advocate..Several of his players are saying those were isolated incidents taken out of context over a 2-3 year period .
    and that the team jokes about it afterwards . But i do agree it looks bad
     
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    The thing about the sports vs. work analogy, though, is that there are very few jobs that require you to PHYSICALLY DESTROY your opponent (Pepsi vs. Coke isn't the rivalry it used to be). These "kids" play a game where they're bruised and battered by 6' 10" centers on a nightly basis. Though his methods were VERY extreme, Mike Rice definitely instilled HATE in his players. And sometimes you need that kick in the pants!
     
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    Didn't catch today's press conference but after watching AD Tim Pernetti's press conference the other day in which he came across as arrogantly defensive, I thought from Day1 that if this guy had any spine to him, that he'd not sit back and watch the coach get fired, watch the assistant coach to fall on his own sword and resign while trying to ride out the storm with his woefully lame "well, we did suspend him for 3 games including a monetary fine" excuse. Very weak, Timbo.

    Put simply: if Penetti was a stand-up guy of character and had immediately called Rice onto the carpet after reviewing the tape and telling him in no uncertain terms that Rice's behavior was unacceptable and terminated his coaching position on the spot, Penetti would still have a job today.

    And of course the kids who had to put up with this insane jackwad get the short end of the stick wondering, among other things, who their next coach will be. But why stop there? After the NCAA's total botch job trying to hang the University of Miami (unconscionably lying to UM's counsel, etc.), as far as I'm concerned, NCAA President Mark Emmert ought to be shown the door as well.
     
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    Saw someone call him a 'good coach'. 44-51 in 3 years at Rutgers, 16-38 in Big East play. Not what I would call a 'good' coach.
     
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    Today's press conference was just that, equally and arrogantly defensive, if not more. All the while pushing the faults onto the next party.
     
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    These are kids. Try that with NBA players and let me know how it goes. No coach in the NBA which is the highest level of basketball we have in this country would berate people like this guy just did. His methods failed hard and his results show it. A school of that size with that budget shouldnt be struggling like that yet it is.

    Also sports as much as people want to compare it to isnt war. Nobody is fighting to the death. They are playing a game. A physical one but a game. So this instill hate in them crap is such garbage.
     
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  16. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I agree with this completely.
     
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  17. comeback

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    I said he was a good basketball coach based upon his overall record over many years of winning seasons at other schools..It certainly looks like he paid his dues..Too bad he blew it
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Rice_Jr.
     
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    You are right "it's not war" But once universities and coaches started making millions from college athletes, it became more than just a game.
     
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    Its still a game. Yes money is being thrown around and there is a business side of it but at the end of the day its a game.

    Do you really think this coach got the best out of his players by berating them like this?
     
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    That's a good question. Some players respond to the drill sargeant (abuse) approach ala Bobby Knight..others don't..I remember Larry Bird quit Indiana fast while others who stayed won national championships and loved the guy
     
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    Almost no schools make money on sports. Time Magazine reported last month that only about 20 of the 229 largest college sports programs in the country make a profit. (So you can be sure the smaller ones all lose money.) The article dealt with the fact that college students generally don't know that up to half of what they pay in "fees" (remember "tuition and fees"?) goes to pay for intercollegiate sports.
     
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    Yes you are correct. But the big money is in salaries to coaches with 6 assistants to hold the water cups and clipboards..Rutgers just got into the Big East Conference for Football, guaranteeing them millions upfront.. The reason Colleges want big time college sports is to keep their name in the papers to draw more students who are the ones who pay for this excess..PS..with all the money Rutgers has, they still cut out Men's tennis several years ago which costs probably as much as one of the over 20 coaches and support staff for just football...IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY
    http://www.scarletknights.com/football/coaches/coaches.asp
     
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    I've watched the video, and am still stunned at what I saw. Coach Rice went WAY too far when he started physically hitting (assaulting?) his players. NO ONE should be treated like that. My brother just left a job where he worked for a manager with the same temperament. I suggest that Coach take some anger management classes, maybe some medication. I've also heard that he's done this kind of thing before.......
     
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    Just more tabloid fodder to distract from the fall of the roman, I mean american empire.
     
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