Ryan Harrison Out Of The Top 100

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  1. Amelie Mauresmo

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    I think Ryan Harrison has a weak backhand, a so so forehand, and his serve is not that big. I think Ryan has good hands though and he volleys well. I think Ryan just needs more discipline, I think he's letting the media attention get to him.

    But I also think some people are harsh, the kid is only twenty he's got plenty of time to mature. Hopefully in the next few years Harrison will be in the top 50 or higher. Harrison has got talent but I think he needs better coaching and more discipline. Ryan needs to fix his weaknesses such as his backhand he doesn't hit many winners off that side. If Ryan can improve the backhand maybe change it he can rise up the rankings.
     
  2. Rob_C

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    Really??? I'd say most of the American males, starting with Roddick had good forehands but crappy backhands. I'd put Roddick, Harrison, Isner, Rhyne Williams, and Steve Johnson in this category.
     
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    You're off on this stuff. So you really think it's an issue of globalization? And money? You make is sound as if the US domination ended back in the 70's.

    The real problem is cultural. The US is basically going through a cultural revolution. Their sporting culture is fading everywhere. No joke. Today, it's the internet, video games, and skating. Kids are much more weak as are people in general these days. Serbia will dominate for generations to come.
     
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    Ryan was gunned at 132 high yesterday by my observation. Big serve yes.

    Way too many windshield wiper forehands did not get deep enough but the pace was huge. I was 10' away right behind the baseline. One last time Ryan has top talent and can be fixed IMO
     
  5. PennAlum

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    The first thing he has to fix is his crappy forehand. Depth is more important than pace. Look at Gilles Simon and Ferrer. You cannot be a contending a tour player with a crap forehand. It can't be done. Most of his forehands land in front of the service line. WTF? That's just an invitation to a beheading.
     
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    He doesn't have to prove it. Everyone in these circles (except you) know this for a fact. While the USTA was fawning over Young, they were shunning Querry. Go watch the documentary, "Unstrung." The USTA likes to make specific choices rather than support the bunch and allow the cream to rise to the top. When they pick their winners in the 12s and 14s, it is at the expense of the field. When Harrison made the early choice of turning pro, he decided not to compete at US Nationals. That's why you don't see his name winning Kalamazoo or the Easter Bowl. It weakens the field when they make these choices and it weakens their resolve. It is 10 times more difficult to win when you are seeded #1 and expected to win. He had no pressure competing against pros when he was 17-18, he was expected to lose. He could swing freely. He turned pro before developing true confidence and superiority at the junior level and working out the kinks in his game. Now he has to fix these elements under fire. IMO Sock will be the next coddled USTA hopeful that will come up short. He's given a tons of wild cards to wherever he wants. He never has to work for anything unlike Kudla.
     
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    His serve is pretty damn big but that's besides the point. I don't think anyone is harsh on him anymore, I think most people have realized he's not progressing due to poor coaching destroying his game. He's regressing now, which is unfortunate. His backhand is bad, but his forehand I think is in worse shape now, it's a completely useless shot now. Take off some of that spin and work on making it more consistent and powerful. Either way the USTA needs to do a lot of work with him and go in a different direction then they are going in. Also the kid has really good hands, yet more and more I see of him the less and less he heads towards the net and tries to push away from the baseline.
     
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    I noticed the same time, he rarely ventures forward anymore All through his younger years (and I have known him since he was 10) Ryan has always been an attacking player with good hand, good volleys. That was one of his clear strengths as a player. It may be a a USTA coaching influence. None of the American player venture forward. They play like Agassi without his ground strokes. Sweeting, Querrey, Isner never come to net. They grew up on the baseline despite their large size. Now that they need to because they are not mobile enough to stay with all the quick jack rabbit baseliners, they have no instinct for attacking.

    It a Faustian bargain. You go to bed with the USTA because they pay for travel, coaching and sprinkle wild cards and the easy money. However your game get sidetracked because they don't what/how to coach you and bring the best out of your talents. Tsk, tsk.
     
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    Just a thought

    It seems most of the top-ten (including Fed) grew up on the clay
    Decision making, movement and application of true spin are so much more important on this surface
    Even Australia is recognising this, putting in red clay courts at the Melbourne Tennis Center
    It should be easy for the US to do the same
     
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    Former top 10erTim Mayotte discussed how Harrison can fix his backhand.

    Question: If you don’t mind my asking, what do you think Harrison can actually do to change his backhand? Isn’t he so set in his way by now?

    Tim Mayotte: “No, no. I think that’s one of the great misconceptions about pros. Things are locked in place. I think we’re all aware of how, for instance, Nadal significantly changed his serve two weeks before the U.S. Open two or three years ago and also got a much better serve. And serve is more complicated than the backhand. Or, obviously, Federer is now flattening out the ball when he has to. Those are significant changes. But great players do that. Lendl developed his topspin backhand as his career went on. And his second serve. Great players adjust to get better."


    rest of interview is at this link.

    http://www.tennis-prose.com/articles/tim-mayotte-discusses-how-ryan-harrison-can-fix-his-game/
     
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    Harrisson has no game, most coaches I talked to say the same thing, good serve, good second serve, fast on the court, but that's it- nothings else. He really should not be in the top 50 at all, his ground strokes remind me of Roddick's, nothing on, not really a huge amount of topspin but definitely no penetration at all, backhand sucks and spinny forehand= no success in the pro level.
     
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    Biggest issue is clearly confidance and coaching........he switched sticks this year, switched strings (went to Alu Power) then switched back to Gut/PHT recently. Switched coaches - Tres Davis is a great guy - but jeez Harry and his dad making that call seems to be a huge mistake - it's like Tres is more of a traveling buddy than a coach.........I dunno that call going with Tres looks really really bad - Harry wanted his dad more involved in his coaching now and it's just not working.

    All this crap about him being an overhyped USTA kid is silly......Harry has pretty much bypassed the USTA system and went straight to the pros - he's a NEWKs and IMG product all the way - in fact just like Christian is doing now - he playing futures/challengers and trying to get into some smaller pro events.
     
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    since when Roddick had a bad forehand? Please don't compare a crappy Harrison with Roddick even though Roddick didn't have impressive BH. His forehand was good though. But Harrison has FH&BH that belongs to top 300.
     
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    Funny that no one has mentioned his racquet change. Remember, he changed from the Pure Storm Ltd to the Pure Storm Tour a while back. Not that I think he's going to win anything major, but you've got to give him at least a year to adjust to the new frame. At this level, confidence is everything.
     
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    have to disagree here. its not the racket.........
     
  16. McLovin

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    I don't know. The kid was a mental wreck before the change. I gotta believe the racquet change has affected his confidence in some way, and since he's been on a losing streak, I'm guessing the affect was negative.

    He hasn't made it past the 2nd round of a 250-level or better since Sydney, back in January.
     
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    Yes I did 2 posts up.......it's a big issue - he switched sticks and strings. Now he's back with PHT/gut from the Luxilon set up he had until this summer.
     
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    Sorry, I missed that. I was searching for 'Storm' or 'Babolat' when looking for a mention of switching sticks.
     
  19. PennAlum

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    PHT sucks, it has no feel.
     
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    I think the americans should stick to blasting serves and FHs like Isner or blake did. there is too much grinding.

    yes the top guys are good grinders but they have the athleticism and Speed to pull it off. in the US the best athletes go to other sports and you see guys like Harrison to lose matches grinding.

    the american Players should stick to their strengths and blast the ball like they always did in the last 10 years. that is probably not enough to beat Novak but they could be top20 Players if they have enough power and good technique.

    also don't Forget that Novak, murray or nadal are not just grinders but also can hit a ton of winners. even ferrer uses every Chance to step into the court and take the ball on the rise.

    those guys are good at grinding but also Switch the gears quickly if they have the Chance, they are not just Standing behind the BL and spin it back.
    they have very proactive games and are good at defense AND offense.

    just being a pusher and abandoning the strengths (FH and Serve) is not going to cut it either. you Need both.
     
  21. Amelie Mauresmo

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    Harrison has a big serve BUT it isn't a consistent serve that's the problem. Ryan's backhand is extremely weak and the other players attack it and then he makes errors. I also don't like Harrison's forehand it is nothing special.

    Ryan does volley very well and seems to have good instincts at the net. Harrison has a long way to go, I think he should try to play 250 events, try to win one of those to build his confidence.
     
  22. Amelie Mauresmo

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    I think your comment is very harsh Ryan Harrison is ONLY twenty years old, give the kid time he has TIME on his side.

    Yes, Ryan needs to improve, I do agree about the forehand though I don't like how Ryan hits it, he doesn't hit it with penetration too much topspin.

    The backhand is indeed weak, but to say Ryan can't make top 50 is rude given the fact he got close to the top 50 I think his highest rank was in the mid 60s.
     
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    I think the idea that his forehand has too much spin is a bit of a myth. Plenty of guys (Nadal, Ferrer) hit with more spin than he does. Harrison doesn't get his body, mainly his hips, into too many forehands. Essentially, this is bad footwork. He's fast enough, but his footwork is rudimentary, clumsy.
    He seems like a hard worker and not particularly stupid. I think bad coaching has something to do with it but it's hard to pinpoint what the issue is just watching from afar. He's got the physical skills but needs a lesson on how to play points. He plays a point the same whether it's 15 all or ad out. He needs to learn point construction. And of course, like everyone says, he's got to hit that forehand better. Sure, the backhand needs to get better but he needs to have a weapon. It's better to have a great forehand and passable backhand than 2 solid unspectacular shots.
     
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    I've been watching him play since he was 16. At age 16 I thought he would be a top 20 player because he had a big first serve, great second serve, very good athleticism, and good volleys. Now I see where I was wrong. A young player has to be absolutely rock solid off the ground. That is a base you can build off of. RH was not at age 16. I don't think he is today.
     
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    I have been watching him play since he was 11. His backhand has always been more technically solid. He steps into it with his knees bent. His forehand has always been more open stance all arm flicky rather than a weapon. i tell you the forehand is a deficiency in many American juniors because many were taught to have a open stance, short back swing, windshield wiper motion which does not lead to building a weapon. He hits it too upright without his body moving forward into the shot. It can be fixed but it takes a lot of work and good coaching. I've seen him at the USO the last few years and although he has had decent success, his forehand lands consistently short. I hope he reads this thread and improves it. I would love to see him succeed big.
     
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    he's got some time to correct some things but this is a setback. given the choice between Harrison and d.young i'll bet on Harrison all day but he too needs someone to help continue his development (like dy does desperately). becoming an all-courter may help him be more of an attacking player which I think he needs to become. having a coach with that mentality or instinct would be worth its weight in gold. who's in the usta coaching cadre who has that mentality?
     
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    There's no one with that mentality in the USTA. They teaching grinding. Harrison was so much more an attacking player with great hands coming up as a junior. He was also a very good doubles player. Nowadays I don't see him attacking like I had expected him to do all along.
     
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    Frankly, I never thought Harrison should be all that highly rated anyway. I've seen very little from him to prove he is anything more than a journeyman.
     
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    is this the clown who wanted to dominate slams and be a world #1.

    somebody remind him that desire alone is not good enough on the atp tour. you need ability too.
     
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    Yes this is the clown that won a pro match yesterday beating a guy ranked 50 spots higher than him and is ensured of receiving at least $9460 and 20 ATP points.

    What did you do yesterday?
     
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    Niiiiiiice...........

    Harry is going to be fine........kid is still learning. I still believe coaching a huge issue - last yr with Doyle he gets to mid 40s - goes with a combo of his dad (who hates to travel and fly) and Tres........like I said before Tres a great guy but has no business "coaching" any top ATP players.
     
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    I agree. In some ways, he reminds me a lot of Boris Becker, including his motion. Guys like Becker or Roddick should try to play a consistent, grinding style. They don't have the game and body type for that style. They need to play big and generally play to their strengths. Roddick's issue in the 2nd half of his career, especially off grass, is that he played too safe all the time.

    Ryan will never be #1 but if he improves this strengths and focuses on playing big, he can be top 10.
     
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    According to Matt Cronin on twitter, Ryan listed Jay Berger, a usta coach, as his coach in Atlanta. So maybe he does read tt after all! Bunch of regular old couch geniuses here.

    Oh, he also is into the 3rd round now, where he's set to face the dreaded Santiago Giraldo. Who he lost to in the Olympics last year, and who he shared the ugliest match ever at the AO this year with. However, he SHOULD win. I'd like to know how his game has been this week.
     
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    Look you knew it was coming with Tres - dude is a great guy but really - not ready for prime time -

    Good for team Harrison to make the right call.
     
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    how the hell did he get into the top 100 in the first bloody place?
     
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    With Doyle as coach he got into the mid 40s.

    Just about every one has agreed Harry has the talent to be top 20. From Newcombe to Nick to Gilbert....etc. The kid has game - he's had a tough 8 months -
     
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    he is not gifted.

    end of story.
     
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    Funniest thing I have read here in a long time, lol.
     
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    I love this.......and you know this how? By what great expertise have you deduced this?

    Like Lendl wasn't "gifted" but worked his way to be one of the best of his generation, or a 5'10" 150lb Jimmy Connors who kicked a** for almost 20yrs by working his but off.

    Dumb a** post and comment
     
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    ryan is too short.

    average height of an atp pro in the top 100 is nearing 6 foot 3.

    forget the old days. short guys don't win big these days. ferru is as good as it gets. montanes is also a bit of an exception but what can the poor fellow do.
     
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    I am the king of experts.


    you should have figured that out by now.
     
  42. gavna

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    Aaaahhhhhhh

    My mistake -
     
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    no worries mate.
     
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    Proof that eating Vegemite rots the brain and causes delusion:twisted:
     
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    Jr. Mac is a fiesty commentator, but otherwise I wouldn't take him as an important tennis figure, playing or coaching. He probably got the USTA job from connections.
     
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    Maybe Ryan's younger brother Christian is going to be the next big thing? Christian really pushed John Isner hard the other day he almost beat him.
     
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    Jay Berger? Come on, Ryan...

    Mr. Berger was the coach at the Development Camp in Boca Raton I had a chance to go to before. I honestly couldn't stand him. Never figured out why he/they emphasized long distance running and so much weight lifting (more than needed).
     
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    Welp, he played against Giraldo today, and i won't spoil anything, but I think Ryan might be sticking with JB for a bit.
     
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    who's been working with Jamie Hampton? she was all kinds of aggressive in her match against dushevina at botw. she was attacking the net whenever she got a chance and was always looking for a chance to move forward. yeah, it's the wta but there's no reason those principles wouldn't serve ryan well on the atp tour.
     
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    With all due respect to him and his career, Berger has always rubbed me as extremely dooshy.
     

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