Safin is murderously overrated

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  1. sortof

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    But Safin was more fun to watch when he played well. In comparison Murray verus Djokovic matches are plain boring.
     
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    In overall careers Murray ­­­is superior to Safin at this point, and the gap will only widen. God mode Safin is a way scarier player though.
     
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    Murray and Safin are very different,most different character.
     
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    Well using your logic, Fed was in better form in Wim 08 than 06 but then that goes against common sense which you seem averse to unfortunately.
    Too bad you've gone in complete troll mode since the nadal won the USO using hashtags like a complete tool, one would've thought after Nadal's thrashing in the WTF, you would've come back to your senses.

    I mean you're so ridiculously off the mark it's beyond hilarity, what are you gonna say next, Fed played better at Wim 08 than at USO 04 or USO 06 coz he didn't drop a set? Please see a doctor soon, or take some time off from this board to regroup and post normally again.
     
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    Oh look a Nadkiddie with a Djokovic2011 handle. Very original.
     
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    Damn, I was hoping for a stronger response. I can't even make a reply to this funny. Oh well. My senses are fine, King Rafa is #1. It's you and the other 6 dwarfs at the bottom of the troll barrel on half the board's ignore lists that don't have anything better than do but whine and rag on Rafa. At least I respect and like Federer.

    :lol: Everyone is an enemy if they aren't up Mirka's rear with you huh? You're the type of fan Federer would run away from, that's what's truly funny.
     
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    Believe me I'm not a fan of Nadal in the slightest, although I respect his achievements. I'm sorry if you felt that I was somehow having a go at you because I replied to one of MN's posts instead of yours-all I was trying to say was that I genuinely enjoy reading the posts you both send to eachother which is like a great rivalry in itself lol :) And I also appreciate some of the things you write about Novak-I can remember back in the summer you wrote an epic post about how you would feel if Djokovic was no longer playing and I can remember thinking at the time how well written it was so please don't think I'm one of the bad guys because I really do enjoy reading the posts on these boards and yours are certainly included among them.
     
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    I think I'm quite aware of the elation of my favourite player being #1 for a RECORD 302 weeks,but hey I hope for your sake he can conjure up atleast another 50 weeks if not more to add to his measly 102 weeks.

    Yet here you are responding to my posts, I guess that makes you a bottom of the barrell troll enabler then, not a compliment incase you're wondering.


    Yes you've displayed that in oodles with your previous post.

    Where does Mirka factor into any of this? Like I said, take your meds son.

    Luckily I can differentiate fact from fiction so I'm good there.
     
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    Haha, nobody beats the rivalry between abmk vs The Order (with all due respect MN ).............that's more hilarious
     
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    Lol this is so true. TMF v Thundervolley is also quite entertaining. Any others you can think of? :)
     
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    Clarky vs Chico, until they stop talking to one another............:evil:
     
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    I love TMF/Thundervolley too lol.
     
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  13. Andyroddickfan

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    What was Feds injury during the aussie open loss? Safin was injured too. He was hungover or still drunk. High, couldn't walk straight due to his 3 kills the previous night and had a widely known thigh issue. Safins injuries affected him more.

    Ok, just read a bit more of your post. Wow, blisters. What a serious injury. Give me a break. Agassi played and won with his back issue when he beat bag man with multiple pain killer shots and you're telling me fed lost because of blisters, wow.
     
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    Excelent point. People sometimes seems to have something missing... Safin was just another player that appeard and dissapeard. Nothing to care about
     
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    I feel like if you just watch safins backhand he can't be overrated. Best backhand of all time! Just watch... The backhand... The... Backhand... Djoker ain't got nothing on safin's... Backhand and... Popularity...
     
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    Maybe we should do a best rivalry thread? lol
     
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    Watch the 2011 Madrid final highlights and then try telling me that Djokovic's backhand ain't got nothing on Safin's.
     
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    Highlights are highlights. Just watch safins backhand anytime, don't need a best of.
     
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    U referring to his backhand during the match or the post match celebration? :lol:
     
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    Lol I never saw the post match celebration but from what I've read it was pretty epic :)
     
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    "Although peak Safin is the ultimate textbook player, peak Federer would still have the edge."


    Fed fans listen up! This is the best argument I have seen so far. Perhaps Fed peak would beat Safin peak, who knows for sure right? BUT....Safin is by far the ultimate textbook player. Simplistic, effective, technically sound, and perfect. And not that Gasquet one-handed backhand crap kinda perfect. Functionally perfect. Though pretty, I don't know how many times I've seen Gasquet choke that one-hander.


    On a side note...IMO peak Fed would lose to peak Safin. During their careers both players reached outstanding levels of play. I simply think that Safins level was a bit higher. Five setter on HC slow or fast...I give the win to Safin. As for achievement and consistency that is obviously Fed. In the "peak play" debate, consistency and achievements have nothing to do with it. For example, I would still feel the way I do even if Safin lost every match he ever played in. The list of reasons that Safin would blow leads and lost matches is endless. Unfortunately, he didn't maintain his focus through the entirety of many matches But when his focus was at 100% his level of play was higher than anything I have ever seen. And this includes everything that I have seen in Federers career (which is a lot of tennis).
     
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  24. Djokovic2011

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    LMAO oh my God what was Vajda thinking?! He's a great coach and has worked wonders with Novak but that definitely wasn't the classiest thing I've ever seen.:-?
     
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    That was the same hotel Rafa was staying at too. In Spain, no less. If Rafa held a Spanish flag outside of a window in Serbia his body would never be found :lol:
     
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    Yeah definitely agree with you on that one. In a way you can understand the elation with it being Djokovic's first win over Nadal on clay but best to keep those kind of celebrations for the hotel suite later on. Anyway going to bed now feeling very tired. Speak to you again soon MN and take care. :)
     
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    Night bro :p
     
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    Safin is by far the most overrated player that has ever lived. 100% overrated peak Safin is noting compared to Rogers B game.
     
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    He really seems to have issues. All that, yet he won't let fans have a Spanish flag at a match behind him? Tosser.
     
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    The only place Nadal beat Prime Fed in a Major from 04-07 was The French Open, Feds worst surface against the best Clay-courter of all time, sure Nadal can get praise for that. Did he beat Fed on Hard, or grass in a major at that time? No, so where should Rafa get praise for beating a man on clay where he is considered the best clay-courter ever?

    Safin beat Fed on his best surfacce in the prime of his career where the man won 95% of his matches 4 years straight, won the AO every year except that one etc; Fed raised his game for Majors, that's why it was considered so amazing I think.

    Much bigger deal than winning on a surface you are the greatest on. In my opinion at any rate as neither a Fed or Nadal fan.
     
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    :lol: So Federer shouldn't get credit for Wimbledon 2006 or 2007 because he's so good on grass? Carousels are boring, we can use circular logic all day. I'm hopping off but you can stay on if you want. Ridiculous arguments. Nadal haden't developed on HC yet and still beat "peak" Federer in 04 and 06 on hardcourt, handing him FOUR of his only 5 losses in 06, one of them on HC, but it's still more convinient for you to rate Safin's lone win (where Fed had a match point) as superior. :lol: TTW!
     
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    He didn't beat him in a major, though, Fed is notorious for upping his game in slams, his consistency at the highest level is something that was unheard of before. That's why Safins win was something that was so amazing.

    So we go from 05 to 06' as something to determine young rafa as good? Rafa was decent on HC in 2005 he pushed Hewitt to 5 sets, he wasn't some kind of baby at all.

    3 of those were on Clay, as I said, what shame is there in losing to the Clay GOAT?
     
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    Sorry, the only thing that's been proven is that Safin>Roddick and Bagdatis on HC, it is what it is. Overrated is overrated. That's why there's no such thing as a GOAT, he's 0-5 against Rafa at RG and Rafa literally was the only person beating him more than once a year in years like 06!! If Rafa was the "GOAT" what sense does it make for me to say "well there's no shame in him losing all the time on grass to the grass GOAT etc... " Just the fact that he's not the best on every surface already kills the argument anyway. Most accomplished player of all time? Sure, and fully deserved. The rest is subjective. I guess Soderling>>Safin and Federer since he's the only person to beat the Clay GOAT with a 98% winning percentage at the FO, AND Federer the next year? I wish you guys could see how silly it is to argue these things sometimes. Safin won 2 majors and many other titles (many as opposed to how many others have won post 2000). Let's leave it at that and stop trying to act like he was some unbelievable unstoppable force, when in reality the guy did as much as he could. Whether he was more talented than that or not.
     
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    I believe that many people in Former Pro Player section think that Safin is actually underrated :lol:
     
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    I challenge the skeptics out there to find a level of play even approaching that of Safin at the 2000 USO. I doubt there is a player in tennis history that could win a set off of him in that form. Maybe Nadal at the French. That's it.
     
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    Safin as a player is probably overrated by some people. I like him most as a personality. One of my favorites.

    Although I agree with most points raised the OP, I do think that Safin beat Fed fair and square. In fact, Safin gave Federer quite a hard time some time before AO - at the Master's Cup.
     
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    There was a 20-18 tiebreak that Federer won against Safin in that 2004 Masters Cup semi final.
     
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    Things are not that simple, it's like saying nobody could take a set out of Federer when he beat Hewitt US open 2004: 6/0 7/6 6/0. You never know. And you perfectly know you put Nadal US open 2013 vs Federer US open 2004 and Nadal could win the match.

    Sampras was unable to make Safin work hard that day. Could be a match up problem that day.
     
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    How come this has turned into Djokovic/Vajda bashing thread :roll:

    Some people here are filled with way too much hate.
     
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    :lol:

    At no point in his career could Safin beat Rafa on clay on any of his RG winning years.
     
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    No he couldn't. This was a down year tennis-wise with neither Djokovic nor Murray making a dent, and a rested Nadal cleaning up the lacklustre competition on hard court, much like 2010, where Federer was useless for ten months of the year and Djokovic hadn't emerged yet.

    There was only one guy who could beat Federer playing at that level, and he did it at the very next slam--carrying a groin injury. Had Safin been healthy, it might have been a straight set affair.

    Safin wasn't healthy or at his best during any of Nadal's RG-winning years. What I am saying is, 2000 USO Safin was so far beyond anything we've seen before or since, that he beats any player on any surface, ever, in straight sets. Nadal on clay might eke out a tiebreak. That's it.

    Safin is the Michael Phelps of tennis when he's on.
     
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    Safin is OK.A big dude with great groundies.But nothing else, nothing less.
     
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    Well, Safin had a nightmare opponent: Santoro
    Head to head 2:7 for Santoro, in year 2000 the score was 1:3.

    Tennis defies logic. Santoros nightmare was Kafelnikov, head to head 0:6!!!
     
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    I understood your post perfectly. What I'm saying is that statement is BS, plain and simple.
     
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    World class trolling [​IMG]
     
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    Uh... because your omitting the reality that at the time, Nadal wasn't the greatest clay courter of all time.

    Federer was the favorite for the grand slam in all those years.

    Nadal was still being marginalized as a 1 dimensional clay courter, with no talent who just got by on pure grit, and it was just a matter of time before the swiss genius figured his lame looping game out, as after all, all the matches were on Fed's racquet. ;)

    Looking back on something with accumulated knowledge is an easy error to make...
     
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    win or lose, Safin was usually fun to watch (when playing ok).

    we could us a few more personalities in the top ranks to liven up the bash/snooze factor.

    and i'm not discounting the talent at all, just the lack of jive.

    i still watch. i figure if you're gonna be boring, might as well be cool. DelPo it is.
     
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