Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by MonkeyBoy, Nov 28, 2013.
I like tsonga I find him closest to safin to watch.
Safin's 2005 Aussie Open victory cannot be downgraded. The OP citing Roger's blisters is hilarious to me for the following reasons:
1. Federer had match points in the 4th set.
2. The whole match was close. It's not like Federer dominated the first set and then started limping.
3. Safin had at least discomfort in his groin, if not more serious.
4. Comparing mono to blisters.......
Now, the theory that Federer fans like myself elevate Safin and Nalbandian to show Federer had great opponents that were just hampered due to injury and also to excuse some of Federer's losses is a nice theory. The reality is that both Safin and Nalbandian were exceptional players but exceptionally inconsistent. Both healthy, that era is more entertaining than the Big 3 because Murray and Nadal have never played the line cradling style of those two players along with Federer. The quality of tennis from that 05 Aussie Semi or 05 WTF is something I yearn to see again that doesn't exist in this current time period. Furthermore, those guys WERE Federer's generation, not Nadal/Djokovic/Murray so excuse us for being realistic in judging eras.
Safin backed up his Federer victory by defeating a red-hot Lleyton in the final. Don't forget that he went through Chela, Nadal, Nalbandian and Roddick to get to the final.
OP.. he won two majors. Back down. Absolute legend and a great player. His adoration on the TT boards has nothing to do with the brute facts: the bloke was 6'5" and moves like a 5'6" David Ferrer. He has no glaring weakness and can penetrate the court with any shot, his groundies were some of the most fearsome strokes in modern tennis (Del Po forehand, Nadal FH, Fed FH, Moya FH, Nalbandian BH come to mind).
Marat Safin is not a top 10 player of all time, he is however, a f-ing legend. His game and imprint on modern tennis should be respected. After all, he did win two majors.
No, he's a legend as a disgrace to the game, to professionalism, and to squandered talent. He won two majors....should have been far more. He ripped off hundreds of thousands of fans with half-hearted or no-hearted performances when they paid their money to see a professional show up prepared and ready to do all they could to win.
He tanked, he whined, he gave-up.....he was a mental midget.
His two major legacy would be great and the envy of many - but in his case it should take a backseat to being one of the mentally weakest slam winner (arguably THE weakest) to ever play the game - and again, as a disgrace to the sport for ripping off fans.
In terms of ONLY his tennis - his game had nearly unlimited physical potential, but in the end his real potential was 2 slams - he was too weak to produce anything more at the end of the day.
While Safin is probably one of the best ever in terms of peak level play I dont see how he could be the best. Compared to Federer for instance their peak levels on hard courts are probably roughly a tie (the 2005 Australian Open is a good example), but Federer's peak level is obviously much higher on grass, higher on clay, and probably higher indoors.
Lew Hoad and Pancho Gonzales are probably the two most unbeatable ever in peak level play though. Rod Laver possibly as well.
Fed was mentally ill: he went for a tweener on match point in the fourth set and blew it.
That was actually the percentage shot from where he was.
Well, his Final to Johansson could have easily been a win, the margins weren't great, could have gone his way. The 20-18 tiebreak to Fed at the 04 WTF was also quite epic. Of course his career is full of holes but in his defence, injuries in 03, really downgraded his capabilities moving forward. Except for some flashes.
Exactly, people like to talk about the blisters, but Safin wasn't any better off. Safin was also not 100% at the AO final in 04, having dropped to 89 in the world, and not playing in 2003. If they were fully fit then Safin should have won that match (the first two sets were close and Safin was a corpse).
Federer is a pretty bad matchup for Safin too. The head to head is 2-11 isnt it. Even with his inconsistency Safin has atleast tied/virtually tied head to heads with every other top player (Santoro is not a top player obviously) and often winning. Yet with Federer losing nearly every match. There must be atleast a few losses where good Safin showed up too and still lost, and of his 2 wins 1 was that Australian Open epic where he saved match point, and the other was in either 2001 or 2002.
Roddick is another who is a bad matchup for Safin, even though Safin is overall the far better overall player at his best. I have seen Safin play very well and still lose to Roddick. His 2 losses to him in late 2004 imparticular.
"We all love Safin for his bad boy image and devil may care demeanour, but this affection for his personality has transformed into an insane amount of embellishment of his actual accomplishments in the sport."
Nobody embellishes his "accomplishments". We all know exactly what he achieved (or didn't achieve). The cult of Safin is more the result of his peak play, which could be pretty scary. It's the whole "untapped talent" thing. And, he actually did have loads of tennis-skill talent. Work ethic talent and mental talent may be another issue. And, his talent wasn't some crazy theory - he did actually beat huge players on huge stages to showcase that tennis talent.
You just ruined my wet dream Man!!
Really? Not a lob?
Interesting topic. It's no secret that you never knew which Safin would show up to any given tournament. He certainly had the talent to compete with the best. I do agree that he is a bit overrated. I do disagree, however, that he is the most overrated player of all time.
@hoodjem, you're a decent poster but... I'm so sick of hearing about that point. So Fed runs beside the ball and throws up a lob. Safin had a solid overhead - still wins the point. Please.
That match was still awesome. And I'm not buying the Fed/blister stuff either. He was fine. Safin won it fair/square.
You're right. Dubai 2004, WTF 2004 and Halle 2005 come to mind.
Okay, sorry. I didn't know you were sick of it.
More of the same from the usual suspects, nothing unusual here.
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