Safin - Mantilla

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  1. AndyC

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    4 hours and still going strong. Both men had the physio on (for cramps?).

    Safin broken 3 times in a row in the final set and Mantilla serving for the match broken each time in return and the game now stopped for light. Safin seems absolutely nerveless. Surely this is the finest match in the FO so far.

    Safin has played exquisitely at times and just plain overhit at other times. Still you can't watch and hope he wins. Some of his attacking play has just been glorious. Oh but for a forehand volley to match the rest of his game today. No passion/desire? Both these guys want it bad.

    Not bashing Roddick here after all he went 5 sets with El-Aynoui at the AO but the difference between these two men and Roddick is clear to see. For whatever reason, Roddick just didn't want it as bad. Hopefully that will change in the future. Men's tennis needs ALL it's superstars playing at their best and trying their hardest at the slams.
     
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  2. AAAA

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    Actually Roddick did want it as bad against El-Aynoui at the AO. I watched the match and I know what I saw. He wanted it so bad he injuried himself and was basically a spent force in his semi against the boring Schuettler.

    Safin can and does play as hard as anyone in the game but there are days when he couldn't care less.
     
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  3. alexdedo81

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    I have no words for what Matilla has just done... he's the greatest motherfucker I've ever seen in my life... pretending to be injured that way... and then running from one side to another of the court like a horse at full galoppe... what a shame... tennis is dead with players like that... we should put an end to these kind of things
     
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  4. pound cat

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    I have no words for what Matilla has just done... he's the greatest censored I've ever seen in my life... pretending to be injured that way... and then running from one side to another of the court like a horse at full galoppe... what a shame... tennis is dead with players like that... we should put an end to these kind of things

    Unfortunately this sort of gamesmanship is done all the time, but I can't recall Safin ever doing it. Marat will get his revenge when he wins to-morrow and is recovered from thr 24 hour flu that Henman & others had.

    Posted yesterday on safinator.com mb yesterday by a russian poster " Zvonareva said that she and her coach, Marat, Henman,Roddick had poisoned on Tuesday. That`s why she didn`t feel well in first set with Serna. I hope Marat is OK

    Davai Marat
     
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  5. Vlad

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    Mantilla, on purpose took an injury timeout during Safin's serve at 15-30 just to throw him off the rythm. He did just that and equaled the match at 4-4 (he was down 1-4 ) in the 5th set.
     
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  6. tennis_prodigy

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    Did he really?????????!!!!!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: what an @sshole
     
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  7. pound cat

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    Sometime during the match Marat pulled down his tennis shorts and gave the camera and audience a view of his very nice bum (in underwear) ...after a winner! He was fined a point, much to the displeasure of the eurosport commentators and fans who found it hilarious. What a character. Full Monty when you you win tomorrow, Marat. I think he was finding the match as crazy as some of the RG results so far.
     
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  8. @wright

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    Safin mooning the crowd, now that's something that doesn't happen too often. Must have been funny.
     
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  9. pound cat

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    I'm sure eurosport.com will have the video...they love him. & the "better than sex " video needs updating LOL
     
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  10. AndyC

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    I agree he wanted it bad there.. I was referring to his 5 set loss at the FO and contrasting that with the Safin/Mantilla. It's obvious when he wants it bad he will push himself.. let's hope that extends to the FO someday.
     
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  11. VamosRafa

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    And you are saying that Safin always pushes himself, and never gives up :roll: :shock:

    If he wants to push himself, he can. And I watched this match on the SB, and was totally enthralled. Good on both players.

    But Safin doesn't always give it his all, and I'm glad he is here. But to compare him to other players (who shall go nameless), who have put it in the line several times before, is a bit unfair. Particularly when said unnamed players aren't claycourt players. Both Mantilla and Safin have had good European claycourt results in the past.

    Like size, surface does matter. :lol:
     
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  12. Hewittfan22

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    Safin will over power mantilla, i Dont like mantilla's groundstokes, its as ugly as his face
     
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  13. Ronaldo

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    Vlad and _Prodigy, win if you can, lose if you must, but always, cheat, cheat, cheat
     
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  14. VamosRafa

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    Last I looked Marat was 102 Unforced Errors to Mantilla's 34. But Mantilla was having extreme trouble holding serve, as he tried to serve out the match 3 times, and couldn't.

    At one point, I checked the stats, and Marat had 31 BP's against Mantilla and had converted 11 of them. And he improved on that stat as the match went on. But Mantilla also broke Marat. And from what I understand from UK friends is that both guys called for "strategic" injury time-outs. And at the end, no one was holding serve very well.

    But in the final analysis, they each have won 187 points. Dead even. So tomorrow will be interesting, although I think it will favor Marat.

    But to compare this match to the Roddick/El Ayanoui match is a bit much. Here's why:

    That match went to 21-19 in the fifth, and the match was played without interruption.

    At the very end, each guy had broken the other exactly 3 times, and Younes had 55 Unforced Errors and Roddick had 31.

    It was a much more clean match, and also was very close. But both guys were holding serve quite well, and a few key points made the difference in the end.

    The same will happen here. But again, I think the surface is making the difference with these 2 players, as it did with Andy and Younes last year.

    But for comparison sake, in the end Younes won 234 points in that match, and Andy won 250.
     
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  15. yee

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    I don't know why most always define "passion/mental strength" when the match goes to extreme, in most cases it's true but not all.

    Safin was serving for match in 4th set but choked and failed, led 4-1 in 5th match, then managed to throw it away again.

    I for one think Andy and Younes match in AO shows much more strength than this. Both players playing their very best there.
     
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  16. AndyC

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    I'm saying that it's a GS event and all the top players should be giving their all. Safin may not have always given his all in the past but certainly at the GS events this year he seems to be taking it more seriously than certain unnamed players.
     
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