Safin's attitude (spoiler)

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  1. Kevin Patrick

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    Sad to hear a so-called professional athlete talk like this:

    Marat Safin's poor record at Wimbledon continued as he suffered a 4-6 7-5 6-3 7-6 (7-1) defeat to tournament novice and fellow Russian Dmitry Tursunov.

    Safin, seeded 19, claimed the opening set but thereafter struggled for form as Tursunov found his range on the unfamiliar grass surface.

    Tursunov showed the greater desire to take the second and third sets.

    And although Safin attempted to fight back, 21-year-old Tursunov was not to be denied his spot in the second round.

    "I give up on Wimbledon," said Safin afterwards. "It's definitely not the tournament for me.

    "I give up on practising before the tournament. I just come Friday, Saturday before, practice a couple of days, then play.

    "I'm not going to waste my time knowing that I will not play well."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/3830109.stm
     
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  2. Bhagi Katbamna

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    Spoken truely like Safin. Bye bye, don't let the door hit your *** on the way out.
     
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  3. rafael

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    That is Safin for you. He speaks like that after every loss. I wouldn't take it seriously. Deep down inside he is as pissed off as anybody and is just trying to find an excuse as to why he can't do well on grass. The guy has heart and the will to win, he has shown it several times. He will be back.
     
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  4. lendl lives

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    notice how safin's raquet is all silver inside.
     
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  5. Kevin Patrick

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  6. ibelieveinliquidmetal

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    Maybe he doesn't like the dress code. Having a devil-like soul patch doesn't match all white.
     
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  7. Steve F.

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    The media loves to jump on some of those quotes, provocative as always from Safin, but as usual, he's eloquent - esp. about the relentless schedule. (btw, Lendl said similar things about hating grass, even saying he was allergic to it, only to show up lowering his handicap on the fairway.) I hate to see Safin get so negative because he's got more tennis genius in his little finger than most guys have skills - but that's sports - you need the head for it too.

    Thanks for the link - btw, saw a bit of Tursunov at the Bronx Classic last year, the challenger in NYC right before the US Open, and the guy plays great, think he smoked everyone until he ran into Karlovic (huuuge serves had us all ducking in courtside seats), who went on to win the tourney.
     
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  8. Ballmachine

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    This does it for me. If it is so easy for Marat to give up, then I give up on him! You will never hear me cheer for this loser again, no matter what he does, or doesn't do, for the rest of his career.

    I hate to tell you this Marat, but the guy across the net from you wants to win too!

    Maybe Marat should get in line behind the Tin-Man and ask the Wizard of Oz for a heart!
     
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  9. pound cat

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    Marat conducts his career in his own way and I'm all for originality. Did anyone catch this? "Marat Safin amused the Cenrte Court crowd by burning ever bit of white clothing he was wearing to underline his negative sentiments regarding playing on grass. Alan Mills ran to him with 2 Wimbledon towels in an attempt to ciover him up, but the Russian giant would have none of it and called Mills a cranky old spoilsport.
     
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  10. larrhall

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    What's funny about the Safin-bashing is that it can not compete with the Safin-bashing from Safin. I really think he is misunderstood. He likes to play to the audience. He is emotional. Marat knows the press want him to entertain them - he does. I read the interview and he talked about looking forward to the hard court system, spoke well of Lundgren, and admitted that his game - height plus the fact that he does better with high balls - is not really suited for Wimbledon.

    I believe he'll have a very good hard court season. Safin didn't get to the finals in Melbourne purely on talent. He worked. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he won in New York, or in Australia in January.

    Also I would not be surprised if Philippousis won Wimby this year or next. Fans write off players much too quickly after bad spells.

    Remember a guy called Agassi?
     
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  11. larrhall

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    or maybe he as looking forward to the 'hard court season' - anybody's guess.
     
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    He is looking forward to the fishing in Alaska, the only thing he is good at right now.
     
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  13. pound cat

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    Well said larrhall. You seem to understand where Safin's coming from. And this could be Philippousis' year. Wouldn't it be bittersweet if somehow Goran and he were in the final. (If that's possible)
     
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    If you are asking if they are in opposite halves of the draw, they are. But I don't think GI will make it past Hewitt.
     
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  15. larrhall

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    Thanks, Cat. I enjoy your perspectives. Your posts show thought and intelligence. I believe Marat to be bright, and this is perhaps a disadvantage. Johnny Miller was discussing this during the US Open golf tournament this weekend. He was saying how Tiger Woods has 'the highest IQ on the tour' (well, he was making a point), resulting in Tiger thinking too much. Maybe this is part of Safin's deal.

    Also, players that have a full arsenal of shots have a hard time fixing a game plan. Although Mark P is thought of as a dimwitted bruiser by most, in fact his tennis game is quite varied, and you can see him cycling through shot selection, especially on hard court. This hurts him. On grass, where the Scud knows he must serve and volley to win (for him), the decisionmaking is gone and he is suddenly a much better player.

    What is a 'smart' player? One of my former favorites, Pat Rafter, knew he wanted to be at net. He knew the way to get there was to hit a kick serve and come on in. Yet he developed his backcourt skills, using them as necessary....and when the first opportunity to come in appeared, he took it. Because he knew his strengths and his weaknesses, and had his game plan. In this regard I have to believe that Lundgren can slow the cycles in the Safin cranium and simplify his game.
     
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  16. Phil

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    He'll never win at Wimbledon because he takes himself out of the tournament before even steping on the court. It's a shame, really; he's such a talented player that he could, if he WANTED, win on ANY surface. Talent is pretty useless if the motivation isn't there. It ain't your game, or the grass, Marat, it's your head, numbskull.
     
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  17. Anonymous

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    Safin really doesn't care about anybody or what they say. When he gets he doesn't even care about himself. He's a great player who does well on the other surfaces and he knows it.
     
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  18. !Tym

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    I don't think Safin is THAT talented to be honest. Sure he's in the top tier of talent, but he's not in the elite level of Agassi or Rios or McEnroe or Federer or Sampras or Korda (to bad he was like the scarecrow and didn't have a brain) type talent, imho. What he is, however, is a STUD, meaning he's blessed with a body that is all at once, tall like a tree, strong like an ox, and fast as an Andrei Kirilenko. You can't ask for a better physical blue print for a tennis player really. His size gives him enormous power without a lot of effort, sure his timing is fantastic but then again his technique isn't that much different from Nicholay Davydenko on the backhand, the biggest difference in the resulting mph between the two is that Safin takes the same swing except is just A LOT bigger.

    Safin, however, isn't like most other big guys in that he can scamper around like a much shorter man. Think the anti-Rosset or Philipoussis.

    That's his great advantage. He reaps the benefits of his size on his groundie power and service leverage and with reach at the net, yet hardly suffers from the movement related handicaps of other big men.

    Nevertheless, to me it's more amazing to see that Andre Agassi can play a similar bruising game except with far less size. It's highly unusual for a man of Agassi's size to be able to brutalize a ball with similarly compact swing's as Safin's. That's why I'd rate Agassi as a greater overall talent.

    If Safin were smaller or not athletically so gifted, I don't know that we'd be talking about the "genius" of Marat Safin.

    Santoro, for example, might well have more talent, or someone like Grosjean or Rios or the midget himself, Olivier Rochus. It's like they say in the NBA, the shorter the player, the more talented he needs to be.
     
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  19. a verrry large duck

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    One of the best two handers ever, powerful game all around. A funny guy at that who throws some humor around to light things up. Definitely not at all stuck-up in anyway. That's a-okay in my book. And that's the way safin always talks when he loses, there's no need to read anymore into it. It's kind of funny when he self-bashes himself like that anyway. Here's a world class talent being harder on himself than most stuck-up club players would be. We need more people like him.
     
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  20. sarpmas

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    What can I say about Safin??! There's really no inbetween for this guy, you either love him or hate him! Unlike some of you who really hate his attitude, I for one, really like his frankness. He just seemed so human to me...

    Despite his talent, with such a negative attitude, it's true that he will never win Wimbledon if he defeats himself everytime before his match even started. But I will not give up on him yet. Remember how Agassi used to hate Wimbledon? If by some miracle, Safin could pull off another 'Agassi', his whole attitude about grass and Wimbledon may change.
     
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  21. TwistServe

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    Safin could consistently be within the top 5 ATP players if he had strong mental game. He gives up so easily and he doesn't focus as hard as he should. If he had Pete Sampras's mental game, he would win many more titles. He's match today was just pathetic.. He didn't chase down balls.. just watched it go by.. didn't seem to care or try.
     
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  22. PhatAbbott

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    I only got to see the last few games of the set. And my view wasnt the best because all the good spots were taken.

    Safin looked like he had given up from where I was. He made a couple of 0 - 30 ups and then just gave them away by mistakes and failed returns. His oponent was in confidence and hitting some good returns and Safin coulnt do a thing.

    Although disapointed I did get to hold the racket he smashed up. Really heavy for a racket and strung with natural gut at 24-25 {sticker said so :)}.

    Maybe Safin will give it a better shot next year..
     
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  23. C_Urala

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    I don't think he ever win a major. I'm not sure 100% yet and the rest of the year will show if I'm wrong. I think he is at the beginning of a decline. His game is all power but he becomes older and there are already plenty of guys who can handle his pace.
    I saw him playing against Nalbandian. Safin's game was dull. He was trying to overpower Nalbanian, and since he couldn't do it he had to risk.
    His whole attitude is not to win but to live a life. He becomes more of a clown in the tour than of a sportsman. It's his choice and there are many people who like it. Just don't wait a lot of wins from him.
    AS well, I noticed that he loves to be an underdog. The less expectations about him, the better he plays. And when he is a favorite, he always chokes. I don't remember any exclusion.

    First time I saw him, it was at his first Cremlin Cup. He won in the first round and there was an interview with him. He was asked who would win the tournament. He said "I hope, Kafelnikov". Right then, I knew he is not a next sampras. I can't explain it, but he didn't have the cheek to say 'I will win it' , which is such common for young stars and which is really necessary to become No1.

    That's how I see him and it's up to him to prove I'm wrong.
     
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  24. yee

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    He said he didn't feel motivated and gave up.

    Spoilt.
     
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  25. pound cat

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    Safin says it as he sees it, lives his live as he wants it, uses his talent as he sees fit, & doesn't give a darn what people think & why should he? His life. He's got more balls than Penn will ever produce.
     
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    Why should he?

    Because he's in the entertainment business. You know, where people hand over their hard earned cash to watch you perform, and have a certain right to expect you to give your best and not insult you.

    How would you like it if you went to a gig and the singer kept saying how much he hated singing, how he hated New York (or wherever), how he hated the audience, and after a couple of songs decided that he'd had enough and walked off.

    You'd think that this person was a self indulgent, spoiled brat. A bit like our friend Marat...

    P*ss off Marat and don't come back.
     
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  27. pound cat

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    Ironic though that the media can't get enough of this guy...he's good press and he keeps them on tenterhooks by producing at regular intervals some amazing tennis. He is an entertainer of the most original kind.
     
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  28. Nosoupforyou

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    Marat = 100% Sav

    While I love his game, I hate him for not getting all he can out of it like Federer does. He can be a brat at times but he isn't. He is actually a very nice guy, but sometimes comes off as an a-hole b/c he doesnt give a damn
     
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  29. pound cat

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    And we're all talking about Safin. . Where's the Roger thread??? LOL
     
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