Sampras at age 29-30

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  1. tennisaddict

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    I wanted to analyse Sampras's performance when he was 29-30 in relation to Federer's performance post year 2009.

    It is mindboggling to see the kind of losses Sampras has had during these years. Sampras fans make it as though that but for clay he was god and also in clay , he was very competitive pre-1996. How can a grass and hard court god suffer so many losses when not even crossing 30 ?

    I was seeing the calibre of players and the rankings of players over the top 30 whom Sampras lost to when he was age 29-30

    Total 2002 win-loss : 27-17, Losses outside top 30 : 11

    Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA) Ranking 85 - 2002 Long Island
    Wayne Arthurs (AUS) Ranking 70 - 2002 Cincinnati
    George Bastl (SUI) Ranking 145 - 2002 Wimbledon
    Nicolas Kiefer (GER) Ranking 66 - 2002 Halle
    Andrea Gaudenzi (ITA) Ranking 69 - 2002 French
    Nicolas Escude (FRA) Ranking 30 - 2002 Dusseldorf
    Max Mirnyi (BLR) Ranking 39 - 2002 Hamburg
    Felix Mantilla (ESP) Ranking 45 - 2002 Rome
    Fernando Gonzalez (CHI) Ranking 62 - 2002 Miami
    Wayne Ferreira (RSA) Ranking 48 - 2002 Scottsdale
    Todd Martin (USA) Ranking 57 - 2002 Adelaide

    Total 2001 win-loss : 35-16, No of Losses outside top 30 -9

    Max Mirnyi (BLR) - Ranked 53 - 2001 Germany
    Alberto Martin (ESP) - Ranked 38 - 2001 Cincinnati
    Galo Blanco (ESP) - Ranked 76 - 2001 French
    Alex Calatrava (ESP) -Ranked 50 - 2001 Hamburg
    Harel Levy (ISR) -Ranked 54 - 2001 Rome
    Andy Roddick (USA) -ranked 119 - 2001 Miami
    Andrew Ilie (AUS) - ranked 43 - 2001 Scottsdale
    Chris Woodruff (USA) - ranked 96 - 2001 Memphis
    Todd Martin (USA) - ranked 54 - 2001 AO

    How many of you have heard of Andrew Ilie , Chris Woodruff, Alex Calatrava ?

    Will Federer have these kind of losses in his last 2 years ?
     
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    That's pretty bad. I can't see Federer doing that bad until 2016.
     
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    Interesting but to give sampras some credit he still pulled out a us open in 02, so although his level fell away, he did take a grand slam when the opportunity was there. Well worth the humbling losses.
     
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    Yawn.


    Sampras had already broken the record by 29 year of age, and no one was around him in the slam count or even CLOSE overall to what he accomplished.

    Different scenario with Roger.. Rafa was breathing down his neck for quite a while and DESTROYED him on the big stage on all surface more times then not. He was breathing down his neck in terms of legacy so the drive was there for Roger to continue trying to keep the record out of reach.

    Pete had Andre but Pete got the best of Andre more then vice versa when it matter and overall in the h2h count. Rafa has been around pushing Rog to the limit for quite a few years now (with only injuries stopping Rafa from achieving more). Pete had systematically silenced all his main rivals time and time again on the big stage.



    Fed's more motivated now then Pete was (mainly after he got married in 2000) but I think Fed HAD to be motivated. Rafa breathing down his neck.
     
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  5. smoledman

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    Can we stop this comparison? Clearly Fed has surpassed Sampras in all respects.
     
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    So basically Pete Sampras sucked despite playing in a weak era with no real competition. Got it :)
     
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    yes, sampras went 'el crappo' by this time.
     
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  8. smoledman

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    How come Pete could only win 11 Masters titles?
     
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  9. 90's Clay

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    Because he was a slam guy? Peaking for what was important? Who cares why.. Pete was the best of his era bar none. NO ONE came close. A few missed masters titles won't change that
     
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    or end up with same amount of titles as Borg who retired mid twenties?
     
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    And why didn't he win the French Open? Because he was a non-Clay Slam guy? :lol:
     
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  12. 90's Clay

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    Another "please love my Roger" thread. We are so insecure aren't we. ROFL
     
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    lol 90s clay has been quoted so many times
     
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  14. smoledman

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    I see you changed your avatar from Lendl to Sampras. Oh and everything I say about Roger is objective facts.

    The only stat Sampras has over Roger is the consecutive YE #1 finishes.
     
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    It's because he's a top 5 troll on this board along with Rafa2005 and Clarky.
     
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    Yea we know.. Rog has a better resume.. I dont have to constantly take digs at other players though just to reinforce my insecurities because my boy can't handle his main rival on the big stage for years on end with his little pink shoes
     
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  17. 90's Clay

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    Uhh.. Never had a Lendl avatar.
     
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    Pretty sure it was Bruguera before.
     
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    while i like to give credit to Sampras for his wins over Haas and Roddick in 2002 USO, one would have to understand Agassi played second on the super saturday against Hewitt in an extremely tight 4 setter while Sampras lucked out playing against Sjeng Schalken in a straight 3 setter boring serve fest with 0 rallies.
     
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    Another Sampras bashing thread? Haven't there been enough of these during the off season? :?
     
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    What does that matter.. Sampras had DESTROYED Agassi at the USO his entire career. (Meanwhile Fed needing 5 sets to beat an ailing OLD Agassi)

    Andre couldn't beat pete at the USO if you gave him a 2 set lead
     
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    Because Nadal is the worst possible match-up to Federer, 5 years younger, and a better player than even Sampras.
     
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  23. 90's Clay

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    here we go with that "matchup issue" again... ROFLMAO.. Talk about priceless

    If your boy is supposedly the greatest ever.. Why should that matter?
     
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    This thread is not about Federer-Nadal or Pete's records.

    Let us stay on topic

    Why did Pete lose to so many players outside of top 30 when he was age 29 /30 ? Was it no motivation alone ? Still why would you keep losing half your matches like that ?
     
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  25. 90's Clay

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    I already explained that. Even Pete has explained that in interviews.
     
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  26. Prisoner of Birth

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    Hey, Kracijek? He whupped Sampras in straights at Wimbledon, didn't he? And what's their career record again? :lol: And lest I forget, Federer is 1-0 against Sampras. So much for being "dominant against every player" :lol:
     
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    The fact is if Sampras was consistently good on clay he would have gotten to Agassi/Brugera/Muster and got PWNED repeatedly. It's just in this era it was always Nadal waiting in the final.
     
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    Yeah, he lost because he didn't care, not because he wasn't good enough :lol:
     
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    Won 14 slams, Record YE#1, all those YEC titles.. Prevailed over his contemporaries more times then not. Hands down the best of his era without anyone even being CLOSE?

    Why wouldn't he have been good enough.. He lost motivation.. He even said so.

    http://www.youtube.com/results?sear....111.1872.26j3.29.0...0.0...1ac.1.Pak2LK9y-pg

    Players DO lose motivation, especially when no one is even in their vicinity of greatness out of their contemporaries ya know
     
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    Not true, Sampras never ran away with the sport, in terms of total domination ever. He had no excuse to lose motivation except that he knew he was never good enough to win the French Open. Look at Roger even at 31 he's a top favorite to win it.
     
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    90's Clay - Why do you feel you need to defend Sampras so much? This thread is obviously designed to thrash him. Don't you think you are just feeding the bashing?
     
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    Most feel you can only compare to your contemporaries. And no one even was even CLOSE to Pete. He had played everyone a ton of times and he had the clear advantage over his main rivals at the slams (Becker, Agassi, Goran, Rafter, Courier, etc..) all through his prime.

    Whats there left to do? He had beaten everyone time and time again.


    And Roger isn't a top favorite anymore at any slam other then maybe Wimbledon.. Come back to planet earth
     
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    I like how you highlighted the word destroyed by capatalising it, but apparently you have an odd definition of it. The only times Nadal has destroyed Federer are RG 2008 and Miami 2011 and maybe 2004. Even something like MC 2008 (7-5 7-5) is a fairly comfortable win but not a destruction.

    I do agree Sampras had a lack of motivation though, but I think even if Federer had no Nadal to deal with, I think he'd still be motivated to deal with the youngsters like Djokovic and Murray. I don't think Federer has tired of the feeling of competing and winning titles. In the 90s the world of tennis was different, it's become insane these days, where the top guys must be playing every evernt and in the semis/finals all the time or something is wrong and they are "finished". There is ever more pressure to win and break records these days.
     
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    He didn't even make a French Open final. Surely that should be motivation enough? Look at Federer, battling two all-time greats 5/6 years younger at 31. That's a champion.
     
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    Why do ****s like to create these threads? Fed has accomplished a lot. Why do they need to further their own insecurities..

    Only insecure fans act this way. And there is no fan base more insecure then the Fed fan base. Sad really.. After all Fed has accomplished
     
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  36. Prisoner of Birth

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    What about Krajicek? And Sampras lost to Federer on his favorite court.
     
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    I doubt it.. Because Nole or Murray wouldn't have been breathing down Fed's in the slam count like Rafa has been for the past few years. Only injuries probably stopping Nadal from eclipsing Fed in slam count, and total domination in the h2h (worse then it is now)


    Had Nadal not been around, I would wager Fed would have lost major motivation (around the same age Pete did). Possibly would have retired a few years ago
     
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  38. Prisoner of Birth

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    And Meth stopped Agassi from being the best of his generation.
     
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  39. 90's Clay

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    Explain Pete destroying Andre during Andre's non meth years then? Was 'Dre on meth for 12 years from 1990-2002?
     
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    KRAJICEK! Why you no talk about Krajicek? :lol:
     
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    This!! Nole only really started dominating in 2011 and Murray only became. Slam winner last year!

    The fact that Federer has a main rival who he had a losing record too kept him motivated!

    Pete really was not motivated in his last few years but when people started questioning his ability and blaming his wife plus comments from Rusedski it fired him up so clearly the ability never went just motivation!

    Good to see another sensible Pete fan btw :)
     
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    He never destroyed Agassi. 20-14 is competitive, considering more matches were played on surfaces favorable to Sampras.

    And Sampras only won because Agassi wasn't committed enough and was busy deciding on wigs and doing meth.
     
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    Look, I like both. I grew up watching Sampras play, and during most of my adult years cheered for Federer. So trying to stand in the middle here....

    Both players are legends, and have done remarkable things in their historic careers. The bottom line is that their names will be remembered through the history books when people look back on the players that defined this sport. In an essence, both have reach immortality as a result of their hard work, dedication to their craft. All this petty bickering does not change what these players mean to this sport.

    If people are insecure in creating these threads. Then you have equally insecure fans that feel the need to retaliate, because if they don't, somehow the original flamming message would be the word of God, and that player truly was medicore. Neither was Sampras and neither is Federer.
     
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    What is there to feel insecure ? Even if Rafa gets to more majors than Fed, at least there is no current player on the ATP who will get to all the other records created by Fed. So that is far from the truth.

    What we would like to highlight through these threads is the gap between Fed and other greats like Sampras and Nadal.

    Also what you need to appreciate is the effort that Fed puts in day in and day out at age 31 whereas Sampras threw in the towel at age 29 as evidenced by these pathetic losses.

    Today when Fed loses to Berdych , Tsonga or Delpotro every one bashes Fed saying he does not have the tools to handle big servers or hard hitters and needs to quit. What they dont realize or fail to understand is Fed is not having the losses that Sampras had and is still strong even at this age, when he neednt be motivated any more as his records are so much out of reach from the rest.
     
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  45. 90's Clay

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    Fed is 0-2 vs. Nadal on hard courts at the slams (been losing to Nadal on hard courts since Nadal was wearing Diapers), Fed's arguable best surface, Hands down Nadal's WORSE. Whats Fed's excuse there?

    ... Oh yea.. Matchup.
     
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    Both came against post-prime Federer when Nadal was in his prime. And yes, match-up. Not to mention, Federer is better at Wimbledon and the USO than at the Australian Open. And you know that.
     
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    Richard Krajicek? Are you too scared to acknowledge him?:lol:
     
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    And Nadal is WORSE on all those surfaces compared to clay.. Yet he also beat prime Fed at Wimbeldon (Lucky Fed didn't play him after 2008).

    I have my own suspicions how the USO would have gone as well:)
     
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    6-4 h2h? Pete won the last few matches.

    Surely not as bad Fed's issues with Nadal outside of indoors
     
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    Atleast Prime Federer never received a straight-set beat-down at his best Slam from anybody.

    Krajicek! :twisted:
     
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