Sampras Comeback - Very Probable If ...

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  1. Tennis Dude

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    Sampras can come back. He said he can play at the highest level in a 3 set match.

    Hence, let him play all non-5-setters, and Pete can still be the king (for 1,2,3 years) at least for 3 set tourneys. Then he can focus on Wimby only year after year. He need not do Aussie or US Open if he doesn't want. Wimby's court conditions may be just right for Pete to play selectively.

    Sampras may still dominate on the ATP tour if he plays on the 3 setter tournaments, and Wimbledon.
     
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  2. austro

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    wow - talk about being deluded!
     
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    Wimbledon's court conditions suit the baseliner these days. Sampras has a better shot at the US Open.
     
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    TENNIS DUDElusional, Sampras first needs to get the better of ATP Stars like Sam Warburg before gettting back in the ring. And yeah, Wimby's grass won't help him. Maybe if they replace it with ice he'll stand a chance.
     
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  5. norcal

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    Pete didn't dominate his last year on tour, he's now how many years older? I'm not sure he could dominate the challenger circuit now.
     
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    Nothing against Sampras, he was one of the greats. Was being the operative word.

    If he came back now I doubt he would even make the top 50.

    Sorry

    Tim
     
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  7. PimpMyGame

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    Sampras comeback will never happen.
     
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    Age gets to everybody......Pete's just gonna do exos and play Champions Series stuff.

    As for a comeback......remember what happened to Borg in 1990?
     
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    the only one he'd focus on is the Rolland Garros. He wants that badly.
     
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  10. laurie

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    Everyone knows Sampras is not coming back, why are bothering to post this stuff - it's silly.
     
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  11. origmarm

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    Even if he could come back and "just play the non-5-setters" or Wimbledon, which is unlikely, what would be the point?
    Why can't he just retire now that he can't really play the ATP tour anymore as a whole?
    I'm sure he gave this some consideration before making his decision
     
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    Quoted for truth.
     
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    why do all of your posts have to do with pete sampras. Why cant you just remember the times he was good, and enjoy the players who are good now. Its like someone obsessed with Michael Jordan and thinking he can come back when he is 40 and keep up with the younger guys. Just not possible.
     
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    I hope one of the mods deletes this stupid thread. Pete is RETIRED! He is not coming back. He would not be able to play his style of tennis anyway. The courts are too slow, balls to heavy, and Pete is 36 years old.
     
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    The Average Player

    But Pete is not the average player.

    Pete is not Borg. Sure, Borg tried to come back (true?) in the 90's. But he used wooden rackets.

    Once graphite came onto the scene, a new sort of tennis emerged.

    But since graphite, no gargantuan new technology has emerged. Just slight advances, which is just enough to make a difference, but not a 'new' sort of tennis transition as it was from wood to graphite.

    Thus, Pete can still compete, and compete he will. And win he will.

    Does anyone agree with me?

    Please understand the common sense in my posts!!!!!
     
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    Sampras can beat anyone in the world in a 1 off match, but hes retired and happy to play exhibitions. He'd be licking his chops at playing guys like gasquet, roddick, Blake or even Nadal, etc. The games of a lot of these guys would suite him very well.

    If Bjorkman can be ranked 30 until recently ofcourse Sampras could be easily higher and ranked amongst the top few if he wanted to, fact is he's had his time and is happy to selectively entertain the crowds.

    That people use Warburg's 5-3 win over Sampras as an example of his skill now is a joke. a 5 game set with out any advantage games is barely a warm up for old Sampras. Why don't they use his 5-3 5-3 thumping of world #5 Roddick as a more accurate measure of his current skill level.
     
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    Yes. Yes

    Yes, THE NATURAL. It's nice to hear that you hear some truth (at least some) in my comments about Pete.

    He surely would be licking his chops with them. IN fact, he would do so with the Fed.

    I don't know why everyone glorifies Fed as some magical player. He isn't. Look at him at net when he volleys. In my humble opinion, when you compare it with Mac, Becker, Edberg, and Sampras, Fed 'appears' a bit clumsy and untalented at net. I'm not joking here: a bit untalented at net. But I'm not saying he IS clumsy or IS untalented at net. He 'looks' untalented at net.

    I think those who glorify Fed probaby don't know the game of tennis. But it appears to me (correct me if I'm wrong) that they are mere spectators, not actual tournament players .. like myself.

    I played the #1 spot for my high school (currently one of the best high schools for tennis in Southern California the last time I checked), and was considering intercollegiate, but my studies got in the way. Yes, that's the reality.

    Now, having said this, will anyone, such as THE NATURAL, agree with me?

    Sampras can STILL play. Yes he can.
     
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    I posted in another thread is Wimbledon was back to it's old conditions that I think Pete could get to the 4th Rd or the Quarters with a good draw. As someone else said the US Open is probably quicker then Wimbledon now.

    Big W-Speed Up the grass, people playing baseline there is a disgrace.
     
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    Sampras Is Not Coming Back. He Would Lose If He Did. He Is Out Of High Level Practice, Is Not Match Tough At The Level He Needs To Be, And Is Older And Not In The Shape He Needs To Be.
     
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    if anyone, Agassi can train hard again and get fit and make his comeback! win the Australian/US open a couple more times :D
     
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    My Blunt Honesty

    Let me give my blunt honesty. Sampras CAN come back. Nadal is better than Fed on clay. That Nadal is #2 makes no difference. Fed is better than Nadal. As much as many want Djokovic may contend with Fed, he can't. Why? They 2-handed backhanders. No 2-handed backhand in the HISTORY of tennis every was considered "THE" Best ... except Borg. Borg is the only one with this 2-hander who had no chink in his armor. Other than that, Nadal can't be better than Fed. Neither can Djokovic. A winning match here and there won't make them better than Fed.

    Why 1-handed backhanders rule? Because of sheer versatility. They can relax during points, and less exertion is created when compared against a 2-hander. Agassi is probably 1 of my favorite players, but his 2-handed backhand restrains him. That's why Sampras has a winning record over him. Sure there was a rivalry b/t Agassi and Sampras, but when you think about it, Agassi's game does not match with Sampras' game. I say this even while admitting that Agassi used to be my favorite player. He's still up there for me because he has talent and gifts and that's why he won all 4 Slams. Even Sampras couldn't do that. Who can? Only the gifted and the talented who realizes his potential. Agassi did it. Fed hasn't. Sampras hasn't.

    My blunt honesty? Fed's great. But Sampras' is better.
     
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  22. laurie

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    I will give you lot a warning - before you go piling in with over 100 posts of arguments about who is better, my opinion is that this guy is just another Condoleeza. He's just come on here to be devisive and wind people up.

    Don't fall for the bait.
     
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    He appears to be quite the nimrod. Pete was great and still can be for one match. But a weeks worth of matches against guys 10-15 years younger? Not a chance. A two week grand slam event? NEVER!
     
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    That Blog Seems Quite Accurate - Will Someone Agree With Me About SAMPRAS?

    That blog about Nalbandian and Santoro coming back seems quite accurate. Just look at the results for Paris between Nalby & Fed.

    Nothing need not be said now. Just look at the results.

    I'm telling y'all go to: tennisanalyst.blogspot.com, check it. Make some good intelligent tennis comments and analysis on there.

    This guy who has set up this blog may really be onto something.

    Will someone still agree with me about Sampras? At least now?
     
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    You should have added *advertisement space* *TW does not necessarily amend the comments made in this prepaid space*
     
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    You may have a point there. However, where that point is, is anyone's guess.
     
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    if you think Sampras can make a comeback, please go to tennisblogger.analyst... oh dammit I should have remembered it by now.
     
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    Umm, he's had the most dominant 4 year span of ALL TIMES. What are you talking about? And he's a fantastic volleyer. That's ridiculous. Keep in mind he beat Sampras serve and volleying at age 19.

    It's a shame you have no grasp on this reality you talk about. Sampras cannot dominate the game in his condition. You can't make comebacks any more. Not after these long layoffs. Didn't work for Borg, Hingis, and it didn't even work for JC Ferrero after getting the chicken pox. And Sampras has been gone how long?

    I think in a single match situation he could potentially beat anyone now, but two weeks of grand slam play? Incredibly doubtful.
     
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    so may I ask what his motive for advertising his blog could be? Just so he can be heard? does he get $$ for # of hits on his site? or just the satisfaction of seeing more readers in his daily hit meters...
     
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    lets boycott this thread its not going anywhere
     
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  31. Tennis Dude

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    Proof in the pudding

    But look at the blog. It predicts Nalbandian and Santoro.

    Nalby Might, just might be on his way to win this tourney. Maybe.


    I find it almost mindboggling out y'all think that Sampras can't come back and win; that you can compare him with Hingis, a female (very different from male players); from Ferrero; from anyone else.

    Sampras is sampras. I'm not glorifying him. I'm just telling it like it is.

    None of you guys get it, do you? Perhaps some do.

    My apologies for this frustration, but some just talk as if they know the game of tennis, and they have Sampras cornered to simple analysis.

    No sir.
     
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    Yeah. Rod Laver is Rod Laver. Should he make a comeback? No.
     
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    I think Sampras can come back and make the top 30 and take out a few top seeds every now and then, but I think he would really struggle if he split sets. Towards the end of his career I thought he looked kind of tired in all of his 3rd sets.
     
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    Did you just play the "I was number 1 in my high school and almost played in college, therefore my opinion about Pete Sampras is more valid than everyone elses, because lord knows nobody on this forum has more tennis experience than me" card?

    Good lord, that's funny as hell. I thought people realized nobody cared about "playing number 1 for their high school" after they tried to get seeded at a local junior open and got laughed at by the tournament director.
     
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    Another absurd thread--Sampras could never make a comeback (was the word "dominate" used in this thread?)--he was on his way out when he was, well, "on his way out"...Sampras would get trounced by today's top players over the course of a season. It's ridiculous. Sampras was an amazing player but he was losing to no-names his last two years, if he had not won that U.S. Open, he would have gracefully bowed out rather than go out in style as he did. This message board never ceases to amaze me...
     
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    I knew he would mention that blog... i KNEW it... he always does eventually.

    I've always been a fan of Sampras. He's the reason why i started playing tennis. He came out and won the 2002 USOpen and retired on top. I will be damned if i want to see Pete come out of retirement only to try to win against young guys who know his game, have studied his game and practically grown up on his game.

    No, Sampras will not return. I'd prefer him to stay immortal.
     
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    well i looked at the blog and it really put things in perspective...sampras will not come back! come on. the post says sampras still has 2-3 years to reach his "peak tennis"; my friend, pete hit his peak before he retired. If he had switched to a little larger frame or something he might have had a solid year or so more, but he would still be retired and would still not be making a comeback. Also, I love McEnroe, but this blog says that Macs baseline game is superior to Boris Becker's. Now I didnt grow up watching either, but from what I've seen in videos, Becker's strokes look much more natural from the backcourt than Mac's ever did or still do. Thats not to say Mac is a slouch, I'm just disagreeing. The guy is just promoting his website or his friend's website or a website he came across by getting folks riled up, as many of you have already stated. My question to Tennis Dude is why he didnt just post a link and ask for feedback on this site or asking for discussion based on the blog post rather than posting this kind of stuff and trying to convert us into believing in the second coming of Pete. Its been debated over and over again. Pete ain't comin back. He's said it himself. And he wouldn't do great if he did. Can't we just let him be the legend that he is and not yearn for him to come out and underperform?
     
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    im drunk, but im still pretty sure that it is you who does not know the game of tennis. If of put a 95 year old bill tilden against a 26 year old federer he will lose. These older guys just arent physically built for pro tennis anymore. That is why they retire. Get over it.
     
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    Faulty Logic/Faulty Analysis

    At least I found 1 individual agree with me with that tennis blog, unless that person is simply playing around.

    How can anyone compare the 'actual' game of tennis today with the greats of tomorrow? Tilden is an older timer. One cannot compare Tilden with Sampras. Sampras is a modern player. Tilden isn't; neither is Laver; McEnroe too is a modern player, but he is an older man. Sampras hit his peak before. But this does not mean he can't again. Look at Hingis. She didn't hit #1, but she beat Sharapova. C'mon, dudes! Listen to the Tennis Dude. He knows what he's talking about.

    Fine. Whether Tennis Dude (me) plays tennis at a 5.5 + or not, you can believe it yourself. Truth or Lie? Same thing with what y'all believe whether Tennis Dude is advertising a blog which many of you purport without concrete evidence (simply circumstantial evidence), that it is his blog, is still mere conjecture. Is Tennis Dude lying or not?

    But this is not the issue. The issue is tennis, not whether TD is hyping a website; not whether TD's basis (great tennis player) for his analysis is commendable or not.

    The true issue is, can Pete beat Fed? The Answer: Yes.

    1) Can Pete be #1 on the ATP. The Answer: Probably Not. Reason? Because it requires a sustained mental and physical condition to train.

    2) Can Pete be #1 on the ATP if he still tried? The Answer: Yes. Certainly yes. He may not stay there for too long, but if he desired to do so, he can do it. But like I was saying, he has only a couple of years. It is doubtful that he will try to achieve the #1 ATP spot again, because he's a busy man with different circumstances of life (I think).

    Do you guys get the difference between the first and second question? If Pete really, truly desired, he could be #1. Don't tell me about how old he his. Ii think a 36 year top arm-wrestler can still beat a 21, 23, 25, 29 year old top arm-wrestler.

    Pete is still young. He has not even close to reaching senility.

    His flat forehand would charge after everyone. His backhand would still demolist the likes of Nadal and Fed. His serve would make Ivo look like a shame.

    Why? Technology. Pete can still be fit, and have technology on his side. There is an age when tennis takes a player out to retirement. And that age has not arrived for Pete, yet!

    Look at Santoro! he's still old. Look at Andre! He kept going. But once again, Pete is not Santoro. Pete is not Andre.
     
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    Sampras and fed both played when neither were really at their peak, at Wimbledon. Can anyone tell me who won? Pete is far too slow and out of shape to play against Federer. Had it been pete in his prime, and Federer in his prime (now) it would be an amazing thing to watch. To put this on a different scale. You have a great D1 college player, but not quite good enough to go pro. He leaves the game for a few years, doesnt touch a racquet. Then after several years he wants to pick up playing again. Yes he can still beat a lot of people. after all he is still about a 5.0 player. But, can he beat his contemporary who is younger, faster, and has a drive to win that the older guy just doesn't posses anymore? It is highly unlikely, I suppose anything could happen, but it just isnt probable.
     
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  42. laurie

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    Honestly this thread is a joke, no other way to describe it.
     
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    remember that bjorkman is extremely fit and well conditioned albeit not as well rounded as sampras so for sampras coming back he needs to get extremely fit like agassi was in the later years if his career before his back got srewed up !

    the swede
     
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  44. Tennis Dude

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    Sure

    Sure. Sampras simply needs to get fit. Is this an impossibility? No. If Sampras desires to return, he'll do what is necessary, and do it.

    That's all.

    The core issue, is whether Sampras wants to. Whether or not he can or can't is not the issue. The issue is whether he wants to.

    I say he has about 2-3 years. He can still maintain #1 ATP tour if he put his mind to it, but I would doubt that he would have that desire.

    I say, he reasonably has 2-3 years for that window of opportunity, until it may be physically too late.

    Sure he lost to no-namers before. But that has nothing at all to do with whether he was permanently going downhill. Not at all.
     
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    Please! Sampras coming back. Wouldn't make it through any grand slam
     
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  46. JRstriker12

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    No,even if Pete put his mind to it, he couldn't be number one today. There's no way he's up to the grind of the tour. That's one of the reasons why he retired in the first place, he realized he didn't have the drive anymore to go thorugh the grind and keep at the top of his game.

    For you experts - what's the math behind Sampras sampras overtaking #1. I would think he would have to win every grand slam (4000 points) and quite a hand full of masters events just to get close to Federer (Currently 7000+ points). Plus there would be an issue of getting a wild card to all these events. Pete could get into the U.S. open easy and other US events, but I can's see Wimbledon or other tournaments in other countires being as easy.

    No way he could over take #1 playing Tennis Dude's proposed schedule (Best of 3) Master Series and Wimbledon only, epsecially of Fed, Nadal, or Djokovic, etc. play a full schedule and win one or more of the slams....

    Sorry, but this is not the WTA where you can show up when you want and still be ranked in the top 10.
     
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    But there are no Serve/Volleyers

    But there are no good serve & volleyers out there.

    None.

    This is why Sampras can do it.

    If Mac says Sampras still has it to make it to the Quals of Wimby, then it only takes that extra effort to continue through to the Semis. Then if Samp is in the Finals, he muster up that extra energy, and that Samp-Aura may return.
     
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    That statement makes no sense. We've seen the death of serve and volley because it's not an effective strategy in today's game.

    You can be a good serve and volley player, but good luck, you are going to get passed on today's slower surfaces - such as the now slow grass at Wimbledon.
     
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    What fire JRStriker12.. like a man who hasn't had much sleep.. oh wait..

    how's the kid? :)
     
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  50. superman1

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    Sampras is just a go-for-broke player now. He'll hit a few amazing winners past Federer, I'm sure, but he'll outweigh them with all of his lazy errors. He just hasn't kept fit enough, unfortunately.
     
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