Sampras, Federer, Sharapova

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  1. joe sch

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    Im really pretty surprised that there has not been alot a technical analysis on why Maria Sharapova blew away Serena Williams most dominant game and the rest of the field at this years Wimbledon. There is much in comparison to the former great Sampras and current mens #1 Federer. What Im referring to is playing sytle, classic and old school. There are lots of reasons why this style has proven to be the most dominant and it involves grips, hitting style and all court play. Im referring to eliminating the excessive spin and hitting flat winners. When done probably, it can make a dominant player like Serena look 1/2 a step slower. Not coincedental with Maria's new dominance is her transition from Bollettieri's baseline blasting school to the oldschool coaching of Robert Lansdorf , who by the way also helped produce former champions like Austin, Sampras and Davenport. Why hasnt this playing style been mentioned more ? Does this playing style scare most of the current tennis establishment ?
     
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    Sure, you can call her an all-court player, that doesn't mean she is.
    She came to the net a total of 62 times in her 7 matches at Wimbledon, where players tend to be more aggressive in coming to the net. Federer, on the other hand, is a player who people are amazed is not coming to the net more, came to the net 218 times during the championships. Granted, you have to compensate slightly for Sharapova playing less points, but she still came to net on 7% of points she played to Federer's 16%. That difference is very significant.
    I think the key to Sharapova's victory is that she was a fighter and rallied herself well during rain delays. As for the establishment being scared, I don't think they're scared about the playing style. They're just scared that there are more good players to disprove that their teaching techniques.
     
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  3. dander

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    federer's forehand is known for having some of the heaviest - if not the heaviest - spin of anyone on tour
     
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  4. Defcon

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    Fed said he didn't want to come to net all the time like he used to (and end up losing). He also said against Hewitt he was respectful of his passing shots.

    All that being said, I think Fed just decided for the heck of it to prove he could win Wimbledon from the baseline as well. And he did :)
     
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    Ok, I agree that allcourt or S/V tennis is not being played but the point I was really trying to make is that these players are winning using classic stroking with no more than semi-western grips and flatter power hitting :!:
     
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    I agree with the above posts. Federer doesn't exactly use "traditional" strokes. The guy pronates his arms and wraps his forehand a lot more than a "traditional stroke" should be. It's more of a hybrid of western style spin and eastern style flatness.

    His type of spin is really "unique" as it doesn't kick up the way most western strokes kick up and it gives most (if not all pros) a lot of trouble.

    Sorry bud, but Federer ain't "traditional"
     
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    Federer is an all court player and his versatility reminds me of Sampras but his forehand is not traditional. Anyway flattening balls out is the best way to attack if you can keep them in. :D
     
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    From what I can tell, Sharapova hits with a semi western. Her shots aren't spin happy, but they ain't flat Pete bombs either.

    There is no need to "analyze" what happened during the Wimbledon final. It's simple. When two shotmakers play one another, you tend to get beatdowns like this. Serena was killed by the consistent depth of Maria. Just hitting a "flat" ball at Serena isn't gonna do jack, unless the court was open anyway. Serena gave up way too many short balls after a good deep shot from Maria. You know what happens next....the PUTAWAY.

    Also, joe needs to PUTAWAY the western grip bias that laces this thread---and if you're gonna name current pros to backup your classic game fetish, at least come correct. Federer uses LOADS of spin. On both wings. Surely you've noticed.
     
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  9. joe sch

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    pusherman, spin is not the issue, what Im trying to point out is trajectory and pace, ie heavy balls and this is what Sampras && Federer hit. Try to notice the clearance over the net for the trajectories and the placement where the ball lands. This is how Sharapova beat Williams for her 1st Wimbledon title :!:
     
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    A lot of people hit heavy balls and they don't win 14 Grand Slam titles. Basically, hitting a heavy ball certainly isn't the key to Roger's success, and Sampras wasn't exactly the best baseliner of his time.
     
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    Hmm seems like someone here would rather noone analyze what happened at Wimbledon because it was a clear demonstration of the holes in Serena's game that are being exploited over and over again lately. :lol:
     
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    Joe,

    To my untrained eye it appeared that all Sharapova was doing was staying at the baseline and hitting as hard as she could moving the ball from corner to corner when possible. It appeared she outlasted Serena in the rallies and took more chances.

    I wasn't noticing Sharapova with all court playing in the final. I didn't see her early matches before the final. Yes, she did make Serena look slow.....but I felt that was because Serena has not been used to playing opponents who hit hard and move well, and don't choke. I think Serena has had it easy these last few years.
     
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