Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by The Pure One, May 22, 2010.
This is a surprise indeed. Thanks For the Yahoo photo links.
Totally agree it's so strange to see pete (even with his bald spot) weilding a frame without the big "W" on the strings.....
However..... As a replacement for the PS85 the PS88 FAILED - BIG TIME !!
Also.... Much as he's a legend.... Pete's off the tour long ago.... I didn't want to use Rod Laver's frame or Fred Perry's when I was growing up.... I wanted the current frame (which was a PS85) Pete doesn't sell enough frames for Wilson - FACT !!! My local pro shop have had a PS88 in there for over a year, while the Head's & babolats have been flying off the shelf..... as they say "Go Figure"
Tell that to Schiavone, her BH was on fire today, would not have happened with a small frame
He's just fooling around, I bet he will be using a Gamma Big Bubba next time or something like that. He has about 1000000 Wilson Pro Staff St. Vincents in his garage worth millions of $.
Maybe he just can't generate power anymore
I read an interview where he said that he only kept 8 of them. I assume for sentimental reasons.
It's not power that he's lacking.....maybe he wants more spin? Or a bit more room to counteract spin?
The fact is the guy has got a bit older. He still hits an amazing ball but might just feel a bit more comfortable with that frame. I can only really think of Jimmy Connors and maybe Edberg who still use a frame they did when they were at there prime
What does conners hit with?Surely his prime was aluminum frames?
Last time I saw him hitting with Roddick he was using a really old shape frame, tink the T2000 or something along those lines
Edberg has been using a n90 then K90 (or similar 90sq in paintjob) for a while now (on the oldies tour that is).
Yes, but back in the day he used the 85 classic didnt he? I may be mistaken. The point I was just trying to make is most players end up going to something a tad more forgiving. I bet his storm tour with all that lead and strung that tight is a beast!
you think he'll give me some of his st.vincents if i ask him?
he should switch to pacific
is that a serious comment!?
Thought it might still be the case, but it's the same isn't it, i'm sure its more forgiving than a t2000.
During his prime, Connors used the Wilson T-2000, which was made of steel, not aluminum.
So.....when are yours going to show up on the classifieds?
Exactly. Just like George Luca$ re-releasing different "special edition" DVD's(Blu-Rays) of the original Star Wars movies every few years.
Yeah. Connors should be given an extra 5 GS titles just for actually winning with that racket.
> anyone here, whoever's a big sampras fan, currently using
> k prostaff 88, planning on changing to BABOLAT pure storm
I'm a Sampras fan but I'm also a fan of Roddick, Federer and Nadal so I guess I'm not a big Sampras fan. I've used the PDR and I like it as a racquet but my arm sometimes doesn't like it. I'm fairly used to the KPS88 after trying frames to the ultra-flexy to the ultra-stiff and the KPS88 is the best that I've tried to date. I haven't tried the Babolat PST though I did see many references to it when I was on the Babolat Alliance thread. I spent about six years looking for an upgrade to my Dunlop Revelation Pro Tours from the 1990s and am really loathe to go through the process of changing racquets again unless there is a significant improvement.
I have been considering buying a fourth KPS88 as one of my stringers can be very slow (say several months) in getting racquets back to me and I was down to one strung frame recently. It appears that I may be able to get that fourth frame at a discount.
My guess is that the KPS88 is not a good seller with Wilson and perhaps they couldn't pay Sampras enough compared to Babolat in a stock frame. Wilson makes a lot of different models and has pretty wide coverage and maybe they're going to kill of the PS line once and for all. The BLX 90 has Fed endorsing it and I'm sure that they're selling a ton of those (mostly to people that can't use it) and maybe the need for a PS has come to an end.
If Pete really wanted to, I have no doubt that he could still play at a top 10 level, maybe top 5. Pancho was top 10 into his 40's. So was Rosewall who lost to Connors in the finals at W and the USO at 39.
The T2000 was very forgiving. It was very flexible with an interior steel wire inside the hoop for stringing. It was basically a trampoline. Connors was the only pro who could play with it. Billie Jean tried it but didn't stick with it.
What about his strings?
Has he gone over to the dark-poly-side?
Pretty much all racquets are made in China. Who cares where the officers and directors of a corporation (a piece of paper at some state's Secretary of State's office), have their tax deductible 3 martini lunches!
Sampras? If you look at the P1 site, there is a blurb that Nate Ferguson wrote about stringing a frame for Sampras all poly @ 75!
Nice! Hey Rabbit, get off the TW boards, buy those new yellow C10s (if you haven't already) to compare to the blacks and report back. On the double!!
They say they're the same. I am fighting the urge to buy the latest greatest....unless of course I sell some of the old ones to make room......I have bumblbees and black ones now......one bumblebee has never been strung.....
Anyone hit with it?
Does it feel at all like the old PS 85?
Should probably dig out the Babolat Alliance thread.
Sampras has to go back to Wilson, thats the brand he started with and won 14 majors with. Its not right for Sampras to switch to a different brand when he used Wilson since he was literally born up until after his playing days on tour. Once you stick with a brand you shouldn't be allowed to experiment with something else, at least if you do contemplate switching do so with the same brand name.
Sampras did not use Wilson 'since he was literally born'. For much of his junior career he used Kneissl racquets and when he first went onto the pro tour he used Donnay racquets. That anyone 'should not be allowed to experiment with something else' is one of stupidest things I've read on this forum--and I've read some really stupid things.
What I meant is that when a player such as Sampras who has won 14 grand slams including 7 Wimbledons and has been a Wilson user for over 20 years, he shouldn't switch brands and use a completely different racquet. If he wants to use something else it should have been with the same company that sponsored him.
Huh? Tell me you're joking.
I haven't read the whole thread, but either Pete found a racquet he thinks he can play better with, or Babolat have tossed him some cash, or both!
Why should Pete have loyalty to a company that, from memory, actually stopped sponsoring (as in paying cash) to Pete during his career (I'm willing to stand corrected there)?
Why should Pete be any different to anyone else in that if he finds a frame he can hit a ball better with he just goes and uses it?
Lifetime sponsorship deals are different, but to my knowledge only Fed has that with Wilson.
I SERIOUSLY doubt that ex pro players playing on the champions tour are looking for a racquet they can play better, instead of a racquet that PAYS better....
Cmon, its not like they CANT play at all with an actually "new" racquet. Im almost sure that player on the Champions tour are through with paintjobs, most of them using the real deals possibly customed.
You're telling me Pete isn't enough of a competitor that if he finds a frame he can thump a bit more with, he's not gonna enjoy smoking his old mates a little bit more?
I, err, SERIOUSLY doubt that!
Anyways, I said plays, pays or both....
> You're telling me Pete isn't enough of a competitor that if he finds a
> frame he can thump a bit more with, he's not gonna enjoy smoking his
> old mates a little bit more?
I'd guess that the KPS88 is a more powerful racquet compared to his new Babolat frame given the higher stiffness level if weight and balance are otherwise equal.
Most idiotic post I've read in here for quite some time, and believe me, I've read quite a number of moronic posts in here.......
Sampras can play with what every he wants. Wilson new BLX line don't suit the old fans that prefer a crisp feel. They could give Sampras a paintjob racquet of course, but Sampras have always had close relations to Babolat and Babolat is the oldest tennis company in the world - 135 years in the business. Wilson is quite young compared to this.......
Babolat started making racquets in the 90's, but they have made strings, tennis gear and tennis accesories for literally 100's of years.....
I said thump a bit more with, I essentially meant 'prefer'.
Please don't quote random specs and thus guess how an all-time great finds a racquet to play, it's just silly....
I actually play with the cps and have played with babolat racquets. One of the things that I like about the cps is that it is more powerful than the pure drive Roddick.
Of course the tw power comparison tool validates this.
I used to hang out on the babolat alliance thread. The pals came into discussion as control racquets for those that didn't want the power of their stiff frames.
Yeah, and there's no guarantee what Sampras is using at any stage is in any way stock, and then there's his propensity to string ultra-tight which could change any frame, and then there's the fact that he's one of the better players to ever make contact with a ball in history.
The TW power comparison tool isn't something to quote when referring to Pete Sampras.
I've always been a huge Pete fan and felt like really bad playing with anything other than a Wilson. Yes, stupid but I loved my PSC. I'm liking the BLX but I did LOVE the PSTGT when I hit it. That with some of the new RPM Blast string may be in my very near future.
Anyone want some Microgel Prestige Pro's?????
What is he competing for????????? Hes not competing anymore, hes playin for kicks, giggles, and a couple of $$$, not that he really needs it but if he can still make money off of tennis, without any pressure, hell.
For sure. I'm not saying $$ isn't the motivation, in my original post I said he'd found a racquet that he plays better with, or one that pays him better to play with, or both.
As for what is he competing for? Pride. If you think that he's out there not caring at all.... I just don't see it. After all, you, I, and almost everyone on this site aren't on the ATP tour, but we still try and want results, and we don't have his competitive background.
> Yeah, and there's no guarantee what Sampras is using at any stage is in any
> way stock, and then there's his propensity to string ultra-tight which could
> change any frame, and then there's the fact that he's one of the better
> players to ever make contact with a ball in history.
Well, you help make my point.
One argument for more power is the trampoline effect of the larger headsize. Stringing them up so tight gets rid of that argument.
But I did say other things being equal. Obviously they are not in stock form. The KPS is 12.8 oz and the PSL is a lot less but we know Sampras likes to string them up to around 14 ounces. So we'll say weight is the same. We can say that the trampoline effect is minimized. And that leaves stiffness.
> The TW power comparison tool isn't something to quote when referring to
> Pete Sampras.
My arguments are sound. The PSL family are Babolat's control-oriented sticks. The KPS88 is NOT a control-oriented stick. It's more like the Pure Drive Roddick which is the top of the Babolat line for power. Yes, Sampras modifies by leading it up to insane levels and stringing very, very tightly. Yes, there are many variables. But assuming any Babolat is more powerful because it's a Babolat is ridiculous.
You are correct--Sampras played for a good while, even while he was winning GS's, without getting paid a dime from Wilson.
Money was not a factor in his racquet choice in his prime and since he recently sold a house in LA for more than $20 million I doubt it is a factor now. He likes the racquet.
Thanks for confirming what I thought to be true.
God forbid you say that in this thread, I'm starting to realise each time I say this I make Wilson fans cry.
(For the record I play with a Babo PDGT, and have a KPS 88 that I sometimes his with for fun, so I'm not in either camp here!)
I don't, as I'm simply not willing to speculate on how a racquet plays for a pro, let alone a great, other than to say he must prefer the new frame.
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