Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by The Pure One, May 22, 2010.
funny how the kps88 is pretty much what federer uses now in terms of specs
> Wilson could make a frame that weighed 12.0 - 12.3 oz
> strung; then Sampras can lead it up to his spec weight -- he
> placed lead on the KPS88.
It would make more sense to just use the BLX90. Same small head and he wouldn't have to add as much lead.
The issue as I understand it is that Wilson was trying to convince Pete to go to a larger head racquet for some time. At that time Pete had just come from the N90 and requested the 88 for more control; Wilson gave it a go.
When Wilson deceided to disc the 88 Pete was at a exo with Roddick and tried a couple of Babolat frames. Really hit it off with the Pure Storm 98, which is what Wilson was asking him to do for some time, so.......
I guess Wilson could make something bigger what distinguishes it from all of the other big frames out there? Are they going to make it 12.7+? I think that that would be a hard sell in general. The old PS players would probably take a look though.
I'm inclined to stick with the KPS unless there's something that plays better for me. At the moment, I can't imagine what that would be like as I'm very happy with what I have right now.
Sampras will go deep in Wimbledon 2011 with the upcoming Sampras Storm XT
Tards in the Troll Kingdom will be freaking out when they see the new Babolat Sampras stick.
They should just use the PS95 mold and make a graphite/kevlar layup like the old prostaffs with a predominantly matte black paintjob. Id buy it blind.
i havent been on here in a long time but this thread reall intrigued me. i love reading how bent out of shape people get about pro's equipment. very funny to me. sampras leaving wilson... not a huge surprise. i also have heard from a very reliable source that del potro will be leaving soon as well and switching to Donnay. Wondering if anyone else on these boards knows anything about that....
People do get emotional about frames but there are some other things that I get excited over too but they are usually technology- and math-related.
I don't play anything like Sampras. I have a nice serve but I can't play with a 14 oz racquet with a very high swingweight. The KPS stock, though, is something that I win more with than my other frames so that's what I am using. The fact that it is a Sampras signature is nice but it's more about the racquet itself.
I used to play with the Jack Kramer autograph. I had no idea who Jack Kramer was outside of seeing some pictures of him in some of my old tennis books. I really think that the market for near 13 oz racquets is small and getting smaller and that manufacturers will be headed in the other direction.
Is it a serious rumour, or you just threw it out there to add some "spice" to the topic? Would be a big hit for Donnay to get Delpo though - they've already got one senior (Jim Courier) so a young star would add a lot to revive the brand globally
I smell 'bait' for the 'fishes'.... but if this is true, it would be a great 'catch' for Donnay... and refreshing at the same time.
Yeah, well now, thanks to your punny li'l post, the stringer at the club where I just played had this thread on his iPad...and is telling us all that Mardy Fish is about to get 'hooked' in with Donnay.
I'm going along w/ it just for the halibut.
At the exho with Monfils tonight, it looks as though he's using the new Pure Storm paint job.
Live streaming: http://veetle.com/index.php/sapopen/channel#4d3dde6e03a67/true/default/HD
^^^I saw that too. His serve doesn't seem as heavy but this could be because he's older. Babalots play so different to me...
So has Pete a contract with Babaolat? I see no lines on the strings...
In an interview on ESPN, Sampras says he should have not been so stubborn and should have switched to a larger racquet during his career. Says it would have helped his game, particularly at the French Open.
Interesting. You know what they say about hindsight.
Im not sure if the benefit outweights the the fact that Sampras used his Wilson to his advantage than any other frame. Sampras had mind blowing control with the small frame. It was perfect for his game. I dont think with a bigger frame Sampras could have hit the angles that he did.
The Hyper Pro Staff came out during his career, and those were a beast compared to the PS85. Sampras didn't have to switch to Babolat, as there were tons of Wilson's that would do the job well.
Or the BLX Six.One 95, which is 95 square inches and in that weight range.
I agree. Look at the BLX Pro Open, its a frame that compares to the Pure Drive, yet no one really takes a look at it. Wilson is underrated IMO. They are still producing frames that are the best on the market.
hahahahahahahaha NOT. next you will say their quality control is good
not bait it is in serious talks, plus verdasco is hitting with them although he is a racquet ***** haha
i use the pro open i tried the pure drive,
not so much the same for me
Oddly enough, he's kept the same weight (just under 400gms) and the same near even balance.
I think he's going back to a smaller headsize again...
Good choice of (all) wood ;-)
For Pete's sake, make up your mind!
That is the Allwood Superlight. I had one. It is has a thinner hoop and is a more flexible version of the Allwood.
How are you able to tell from that one pic?
It looks like the same standard Allwood that I had. I would need more close-up and detailed pics to see how it's different.
The Allwood Superlight does not have the white paint on the out side of the hoop like the Allwood. The outside of the hoop on the Allwood Superlight is natural wood color.
Here is a better photo. Clearly Allwood Superlight:
Really? I used to have a standard Allwood and I don't remember it having white paint on the hoop. Do you have a pic of one?
Yes the Allwood had white paint around the outside of the hoop and a thicker shaft with extra layers at the bottom of the hoop. This is the super light - you can even see at the top of the hoop allwood super light spelled out. The super light was a thinner all around frame.
How can you be sure in this case? Maybe it's a paintjob? :mrgreen:
You can even see in the photo at the top of the hoop it is written Allwood Borg Superlight. Wow you have a very bad memory. Like I said I played with the Allwood Borg SuperLight for a year. I am intimate knowledge of these frames.
Here you go.
Check out the white paint at the outside of the hoop.
Thanks for the help. It's pretty obvious if you ever played with these racquets.
While Pete's is indeed the Superlight, my (regular) Allwood doesn't have any white paint around the outside of the hoop at all.
Yeah, but that's the "Allwood Bjorn Borg", not the standard Allwood which just had the word "Allwood" on the hoop. Besides, the Allwood was never my main stick. I just bought one to fool around with since the paintjob was so gorgeous.
That's exactly how I remember my standard Allwood to be - no white paint on the outside of the hoop.
The standard "Allwood" was only around in the 70's and even they had the the white paint around the outside of the hoop. In about 1979 Donnay started putting Borg's name on just about everything. There is no difference between a "Allwood" and a "Allwood Bjorn Borg".
Any difference between the allwood superlight and the allwood borg superlight except one "word"?
No difference. Like I said in about 1979/80 Donnay started putting Borg's name on anything they could. The Allwood Superlight is thinner and more flexible than the regular Allwood.
Then how do explain fms's claim as he sounds like he still has an Allwood:
And, yes, I bought mine in the 70's.
Most Allwood had the white around the outside of the hoop of the frame and that was before they added Borg's name to the frame.
Here are some pics of standard Allwoods (like the one that I had) which do NOT have white paint on the outside of the hoops:
BreakPoint is correct; I've got an Allwood and that's exactly how it looks like - no white paint.
Some of the early pre 1976 Allwoods may not have had the white paint around the hoop and actually it's not paint its "vulcanized fibre". If you look at vids of Borg's 1976 win at Wimby it had the paint, I also have pics of Borg when he had just switched to Donnay in 75 and the loop was painted. I played with the Allwoods from 76 thru 80 and all had the paint layer. One way to tell if you have a "pre Borg" Allwood is to look at the shaft just above the grip you see a list of the wood and fibre layers and the laminate layup. The first Allwoods only have 1 layer of fibre between the laminates, all of the models after show an additional layer of fibre listed as vulcanized fibre as the white layer around the hoop.
As for the super light Allwood Sampras was using the big difference was a thinner and straighter shaft and again only 1 layer of V Fibre in-between layers of wood. It was really more of a womens racquet I never saw adult males ever playing with a super light in the 70s.
Well, my Allwood, without the "white stuff", has Borg's signature on the side, so I don't think it's entirely "pre-Borg". You're correct about it having one layer (number 4) of fibre between the other layers. It goes 1-2-4-3-3-3-3.
Interesting and cool, love to be able to learn when it was produced exactly. I must have had 40 or 50 Allwoods in the Jrs and all had the white layer. I'm not sure when Donnay started adding the Borg sig on the shaft. One interesting thing is all the Donnay's sold in the USA until 1980 had a sticker over his sig. It was soooo much fun peeling off those damn things every time I got a new batch.
My Allwood was purchased after 1976, more like around 1978 or 1979. It did not have Borg's signature on the side (as far as I recall) and it did not have the white paint on the outside of the hoop. I don't recall exactly how many fibre layers it had but I believe it was just one layer. The cover it came with was exactly the same as in the pics I posted above - it had "Allwood" printed near the top of the cover.
Is Pete still with Babolat, or did he go back to Wilson?
Possibly. Bartoli also uses the 122 gut.
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