Sampras prototype?

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  1. suppawat

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    Wilson marketing strategy sounds interesting. These 2 racquets look good when they are together. K90 is almost 2 years old now and it's pretty close to the end of product life cycle. I'd be interested to see if Wilson will come out with a package of K90 and K-ProStaff for less than $350 :twisted: May be K-ProStaff boosts K90 sales.
     
  2. Cup8489

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    i know no one else seems to like the PJ, but it's much sleeker looking than the K90, and it definitely has me getting excited.
     
  3. theProdigy

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    i hope the paint quality is going to be better than the k90. if you just look at the k90 funny, the paint starts to chip away.
     
  4. nalk7

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    I LOVE IT! will definitely demo it when it comes out :D tho I dont think Ill make a switch, Im pretty happy with my k90s
     
  5. BreakPoint

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    Well, Nate Ferguson used to select and customize all of Pete Sampras' frames, so I would think he would know better than anyone, including Pete himself:

    "Yes, there are differences between the three versions produced over the years, but most significantly, Pete wants to stay with what has worked so well over the years. In this case, different is bad. The differences, although perhaps imperceptible to the average club player, are in the "feel" the racquet gives him. The St. Vincent made Pro Staff is the stiffest and what I call "harshest". Other versions of the racquet are more comfortable and softer."

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Features/9908NateFerguson.html

    BTW, did Greg Raven also measure another version of the PS 6.0 85 with identical weight customizations on the same RDC machine? Besides, the St. Vincent he measured was well used by Pete at the highest levels of tennis so I'm sure it had had softened up quite a bit from repeated use over the years. In addition, when I hit with a new China version a few years ago, the frame felt like the flex was below RA 62 to me.

    I think what some of you guys are feeling is an 17 to 25 year-old racquet that has fatigued a lot over the years and lost quite a bit of its stiffness from repeated use and restringings. Don't forget that the St. Vincents were all made between 1983 and 1991, so yes, they are pretty old and graphite does eventually break down and become softer over time from repeated use and repeated restringings.
     
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  6. TnTBigman

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    thats a sweet looking PJ. Keeping those Red and Yellow lines that defined the PS85........nice. And the way they used it on the contours of the racquet............SICK!!!
     
  7. stormholloway

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    I love the paint job as well, finally. When is this thing coming out?
     
  8. Shangri La

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    Hope they'll also release a 95 version.
     
  9. psp2

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    Agreed... every one of my SV/Chicago frames feels "softer" than my Taiwanese/Chinese versions.
     
  10. sureshs

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    Wonder how much Pete is getting to put his name on the stick
     
  11. Fedace

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    I am sure millions but i wonder how many of the Tour pros will be converting to this stick. ??? i am sure alot of the guys that use K90 will be at least looking and demoing the frame, i am sure.
     
  12. BreakPoint

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    Hmmm....I know a lot of people on this board feel that the China versions feel the most flexible.
     
  13. Azzurri

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    that certainly could be the case. But the 2 SV that I own are in near mint condition (9.5/10) and the Taiwan is very, very used (maybe 5/10) and that Taiwan version is very stiff compared to the other 2 SV. They feel very different, so I completely understand why Pete only played the SV..they just feel softer, like butter. Yes, Nate would know but I still don't understand it myself. IMO, the Taiwan is kinda crappy in feel (not playablity) comapred to the SV.
     
  14. Azzurri

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    As I stated above, Nate would know more about the PS than we would, but it still does not explain why I and many others feel the SV has a softer feel. Upon impact it provides a feeling that it has some kind of foam inside the racquet. My Taiwan and the newer China (that I bought and sold very quickly because it was a piece of junk compared to the SV) were much stiffer feeling. Unless someone plays both, its a hard feeling to describe, but it is very different. BP does make sense with age and constant stringing, but in my case its kinda the opposite. My TW made is very used and has been strung many, many times. Both my SV are in perfect, hardly used condition.

    as for me, I love the PJ. Its a "modern" look for the old PS 85. At least is black and kept its color base. Anything else would not have made it a PS .
     
  15. Azzurri

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    in all honesty, I don't recall anyone saying the China was more flexible. I have read that people feel there was no discernable difference, but not the China being more flexible..but that is just me.
     
  16. BreakPoint

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    I understand some of the early Taiwan versions used a unidirectional layup instead of a braided layup which is why they have a different feel.

    "After the St. Vincent factory closed, Wilson tried to make the rackets in Taiwan using an all uni-directional layup. However, the racquets didn't have the same feel as braided construction and they are now producing frames with braided product. According to Bill Severa, Senior Designer with Wilson Racquet Sports, "the uni-directional graphite ProStaffs were a stopgap measure. Within 4 months of the St. Vincent factory closing, we went through 12 - 15 iterations of braided construction. Shortly thereafter, we were up and running with braided construction ProStaffs from Taiwan. We feel we have the closest layup to the old St. Vincent frames and most players who've played with both agree. There will always be a few, like Pete Sampras, who prefer a particular racquet for whatever reasons."

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/60/ProstaffOrigins.html

    I've never hit with a St. Vincent, but the China version feels very flexible to me.
     
  17. BreakPoint

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    I do recall quite a few people commenting that they prefer the China version most because it was the most flexible. Some people even said that they found the St. Vincent versions too stiff.
     
  18. Mansewerz

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    st vincents were 63 RA? What if Fed begins using this???
     
  19. Mansewerz

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    Paintjob looks great. Better than K90, not quite better than the n90 though. That racquet and the n95, were beautiful!!! I like the use of silver!


    Also, wouldn't Sampras like a more flexy racquet for feel?
     
  20. NoBadMojo

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    I can see this racquet as the trip down memory lane midsize racquet in the line, Fed switching to a 95 headsize version of it, and the k90 being discontinued all about the same time. Think the k95 still has some longevity to it . Most companies either have 0 or 1 midsized offering in their line...
     
  21. Azzurri

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    That could be the reason. Mine feels very, very stiff. It's been almost 1 1/2 years since I hit with the newer China model and I played it roughly 4-5 sets (2 matches). I just remember I disliked the feel because I was just playing the SV for a little while. I sold it. No one I play with has the PS 85, so not sure I could even re-hit with one to see how different it is compared to my Taiwan.
     
  22. Azzurri

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    I believe you. I am sure others have different feeling regarding the PS 85 version Wilson made over the years. But man, hitting with the SV is just an experience.
     
  23. Azzurri

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    Mojo..sorry to get off topic. I am going to re-string my racquets in a few weeks. Samster sent me some ISO strings. The newer version and the classic. Do you have an idea how different they are? what color is the classic, I forgot. I will string the mains with Klip Legend 18. thanks.
     
  24. roundiesee

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    St Vincent's has the best feel IMHO but it's not easy to play with because of it's weight. Azzuri is right to say that it's really quite an experience to play with one, especially on the serve.
     
  25. stormholloway

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    You guys are stuck in the past. I want info on this new stick.
     
  26. Azzurri

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    I thought you moved with the monks or something.:razz::lol:
     
  27. NoBadMojo

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    no problemo. i've been using my setup w. the ISO Pro Classic x's for perhaps a couple years now or more and have hit w. the new one. I notice a significant difference even w. using the strings in a hybrid.

    in a nutshell, i think the new one plays a little more springy and more like a multi and the Classic gives you some poly benefit with the poly type of spin.

    a word of caution about the 18g Legend...VERY spinny at the expense of power/penetration, so that may effect tension and performance of whatever x string you choose
     
  28. stormholloway

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    Try Cardinals. I'm movin to Rome.
     
  29. Racquet Man

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    :idea: The new P1 website has a contact page (after all, isn't that where the photo of the new Sampras racquet was first posted). So why don't you all contact P1 with your questions. I'm sure Ron and Nate will love to hear from you with all your questions on the new Sampras racquet!
    Clearly, no one here knows diddly squat about the new racquet! Wilson is not responding to inquiries about the racquet! Nate Fergussen is seen working on the new Sampras racquet in one of the photos on the site......therefore its simple logic my friends: contact P1 to get all the info to answer your questions.....they'll love to hear from all of you:twisted:

    (I'm kidding of course. You don't want to bring down their new site after all! But instead, maybe Ron Yu (who posts here from time to time)can shed some light if he's checking in from Madrid or when he gets back!) :)
     
  30. chlsmo

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    one more blurry mostly useless pic:

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    ^^^^ I like that pic. It's nice to see Pete's former personal racket technician and a photo that implies that he's working on his new signature frame......

    .....A decade and a half too late though. Hey they tried with that blue and green paintjob back in the day.
     
  32. Azzurri

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    Thanks for the information...very usefull.

    I string at 63 lbs. How would that effect the X string? I never tried Legen 18. I want less power.
     
  33. Azzurri

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    for how long? work?
     
  34. ShooterMcMarco

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    Cool, I want to demo that racquet.
     
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    Neat!
    So does anyone know when Pete is next playing 'in public' such as an exhibition?
    It's likely that he'll use these new frames then and I'm sure Wilson will officially release them or at least info on them at or before that event.
     
  37. leonidas1982

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    I am aware of the Blackrock tour at London's Royal Albert Hall in early December as well as an exhibition with Blake on Dec 15 at LSU.
     
  38. leonidas1982

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    I got the same response. It seems as if Sampras will be getting the same treatment as Federer -- I don't expect to see layers of lead.
     
  39. Racquet Man

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    Looks like my advice to contact P1 for the specs didn't quite pan out....sorry:cry:

    But Ron, could you share details on the head size;etc? Is it fair to assume that the racquet Wilson's pro room provided P1 to customize is the same size as the consumer model, or is it a custom beast, like Djokovic's?
     
  40. Gorecki

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    hilarious post of the week...

    i felt the same way too!
     
  41. JoshDragon

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    Haha. I know that feeling :D.
     
  42. carlos djackal

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    whoaaa....nice pic...the new sampras racket looks cool...
     
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    barf, eeeooow.
     
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    I hope it wont be as sluggish as the K90...
     
  45. PimpMyGame

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    Skip the demo, I want three. Now.
     
  46. sureshs

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    So you are a GURU now. I thought GOAT was the pinnacle of success. Did they newly create it?
     
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    i guess now would be the time to get rid of the k90s while there's still time.

    when is pete's next exhibition/match?
     
  48. leonidas1982

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    I know of Dec 15 at LSU against Blake. Also, there is a BlackRock event at London's Royal Albert Hall in early December.
     
  49. PeterFig

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    .... now this is where I explain that the image above is just a mockup I created based on the photo from Priority One. It's not any sort of official Wilson image. I basically took all the visible elements from the Priority One photo and created the standard racquet 'headshot'.

    :)
     
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    wow nice work pete it looks awesome
     

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