Sampras vs Nadal

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  1. nikdom

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    I just read that along with Sampras-Fed, Nadal will be playing an exhibition match with Gasquet at the same venue in Malaysia.

    Which brings up the question - why not Sampras vs Nadal? After all, Sampras has questioned Roger's competition, and hypothetically referred to coming in to the net against Nadal as "I would be licking my chops". Seems that would be a very interesting contrast in styles and Sampras would get some appreciation for what Roger faces.

    BTW I think Nadal would kick some old-man ass. :D

    (sorry sampras..even though I respect what you did, I don't think there's much you can do now)
     
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  2. Alexandros

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    Sampras' serve would give Nadal all sorts of problems, but if Nadal is given an opportunity to hit a pass I have no doubt he would make it more often than not. It'd be a fascinating match for sure.
     
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    The match would have no relevance, and everyone knows it.

    Take Samp of 1995-6 and he'd take Nadal for sure (cept Clay obviously).

    Ace him off the court and he had some amazing volleys that would take him out.

    Remember, Sampras is as of now still basically the Greatest Ever.

    Nadal is nothing compared to Sampras
     
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  4. 156MPHserve

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    Sounds quite biased to me. Everyone? Knows? You can't possibly use those words to describe a hypothetical match. Especially one of two greats.

    First of all, you're forgetting that Sampras's grips are more eastern than Federer's. Off the ground he would get smoked by Nadal.

    Yes he'd hit a lot of aces. Volleying? You're forgetting that Nadal has some of the best passing shots in the game. He aims ridiculously close to the lines with very little errors. His wicked topspin also allows him to access all sorts of angles Pete's never faced before.

    "Sampras is as of now still basically the Greatest Ever" Hmm, so you've got two more GS's under your belt, you haven't won 5 Wimbledon's in a row, you haven't won 4 US Open's in a row, you haven't even reached an FO final, and you haven't been #1 for the most consecutive weeks either. Heck nobody even consider's you to have the most complete or offensive game.

    And would you like to compare an apple to an orange for me?
     
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    Unless the surface is extremely favorable to Sampras and his serve is smoking on the day, Nadal would be blasting Pete off the court.
    Federer has enough problems dealing with Nadal abusing his backhand. Sorry Pete, but at 35 you have no chance from the back of the court.
    Nadal is also ridiculously good at passing shots. I'm sure the match would go for a while as of course being an exhibition, you can't have disappointed people, and Nadal will show his respect for the only person who still holds more slams than his main rival.
     
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  6. Jonny S&V

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    He may be biased, but he has some good points. All Pete would have to do on the deuce side is slice it out wide to Nadal's weaker backhand return (although not by much) and then volley to the open court. I still hate these "what-if" posts. Heck, why am I even posting on this thread? I need some sleep...
     
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    Probably because Federer is very close over-hauling Sampras' 14 GS titles. I wouldn't even consider Nadal as a GOAT contender until he reaches 10.
     
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    I was surprised to read this. Though Nadal does hit with a ton of top, there have been other players who did as well. Players like Muster and Berasategui both come to mind, and there were others. So if you took Nadal and put him back into Sampras's prime years, I'd expect Sampras to dominate him on most fast surfaces.
     
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  9. prosealster

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    muster and barasategui both hit with lots of spin,...but in my opinion, nadal hits even havier and faster, and definitely more consistent than barasategui, he also moves better than those 2, but you're right, on fast surface at petes prime...i would expect him to beat nadal... but on slower stuff... we know who would have lots-a trouble,...
     
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    Nadal is a good player and would give prime Sampras nightmares even on faster surfaces.
     
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    I remember Bruguera and Muster very well, are they were not even in the same league as players as Nadal, something John McEnroe and Brad Gilbert openly admit when comparing Muster to Nadal as well. Muster is more similar style-wise to Nadal then Bruguera, and Nadal does everything Muster did much better. Sampras would have a much tougher time with Nadal then either of those two, and even Muster has a win over Sampras on fast carpet and another on hard court, while Bruguera has a win on hard courts too.
     
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    I agreed with you. Muster my FAV players during 90's.
     
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  13. zagor

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    Well,the biggest difference between Nadal and Muster are passing shots,Nadal can hit some crazy passing shots while Muster was bad at them,that's why Edberg always defeated him even on clay
     
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    nice to hear that somebody favors Thomas Muster!!!:grin:
     
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    At his peak in the mid-1990s, he was known as the "King of Clay". Now Nadal had replaced him. Quite missing him. FO my fav slams coz of him too.

    [​IMG]
     
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    You gotta live in Austria, our sports channel, is often showing his matches, old and new ones. Nadal and Muster both are lefties...it's seems that clay fits lefties just better than right handed players...nah I'm just kidding. ;)
     
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    No... because in his prime, Pete was still NOT dominant the way Federer is, and he lost to players like Chang, who would be destroyed today in a week in-week out basis (not to disrespect Chang, I admire what he did with his game, but I'm just being realistic). A great mover like Nadal would give Pete all sorts of trouble. I'd tip my hat toward Nadal for sure, definitely.
     
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    Dang...that's a huge grip.
     
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  19. sureshs

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    It would be quite embarrassing for Sampras since he will badly lose to Nadal. And Nadal won't play nice by letting Pete win a few games. He will just come bouncing as usual and destroy him. After the match, no nice comments about how close it was. Simply: I just play as usual, no?
     
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  20. quest01

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    I think Nadal would beat Sampras over 50% of the time. I just think Sampras would have a difficult time serve and volleying because of Nadals excellent passing shots. Its the same way when Sampras played Hewitt, Sampras had a difficult time playing at the net because of Hewitts speed and precise passes. It would be the same way with Nadal but 30% more effective because hes better then Hewitt. Also Sampras isnt the best player, Federer is. Also some people have mentioned Muster, well Nadal would smoke Muster off the court.
     
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    Hey, if Sampras is so confident that he has the game to beat Nadal, I say let see it. I would even let Pete pick the surface. I think age is a big factor in this one, but I think we should wait until after he plays Federer to see how much a factor it is. If he is still serving bombs, then maybe he could have a shot at beating Nadal, but I like Nadal's chances once they get in a rally on any surface.
     
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  22. superman1

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    Chang also beat Agassi. Would Agassi get beaten up today in his prime? No. With back problems and playing a minimal schedule with lots of pull-outs he was still top 10 two years ago. Chang is so underrated on these boards.

    Sampras had exactly the game that Nadal admits he hates (look up some of his interviews...he has said some things about not being able to do anything when someone hits a big serve and comes in). But Nadal would kill Sampras today just because he's such a fierce competitor in any match, practice, exo, whatever, whereas Sampras is out of shape and doesn't really care that much.
     
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  23. Eviscerator

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    Actually I said Berasategui not Bruguera, but no big deal. I only mentioned them because it is not as if Sampras never had to face heavy top spin players in his day.
    I think one of the things that allows Nadal to hit with more spin is the strings, which is just the latest technology advance that allows players to do things that were unheard of. At this years FO, I could not believe some of the shots Nadal was able to come up with. He hit some passing shots on the run off the backhand wing 10 or more feet behind the baseline off balance on the back foot. So while I give him credit for developing a shot like that, he would never be able to hit effective passing shots like that with 90's racquet/string technology.
     
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  24. 2 Cent

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    in Pete's prime he'd beat Nadal handily on every surface except clay.
    and i doubt Pete would even allow Nadal to go 5 sets against him on grass.
    unlike Fed.
     
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  25. lambielspins

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    You are probably right, but he probably would be respected more if he won a 2nd slam. The fact he never won another after winning that first surprise slam so young, is probably a large reason he is overlooked by alot of people. While his competition is a big part why he didnt win a 2nd one, he seemed to get nervous and on edge in a big final. Look at the way he started off his finals of the 96 Australian Open and 96 U.S Open to Becker and Sampras respectively. He was so tight, he could barely get a first serve in or extend his followthrough on his shots until into the 2nd set.
     
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  26. tennispro11

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    I would have to agree with you. If Sampras played Nadal on a fast surface, Pete would win most of the time against Nadal.
     
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  27. lambielspins

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    That wouldnt matter much today since 3 of the 4 slams are now on a "slow" court basically. That only means Pete would usually beat Nadal at the U.S Open, but there are many guys who beat Nadal at the U.S Open anyway.
     
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  28. laurie

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    I think it would be nice for Nadal and Gasquet to get to meet Sampras and I assume practice with him.

    On Eurosport during the US Open Gasquet was discussing how to play on hardcourts, they asked him who's the best hardcourt player of all time and he said Sampras. We know the respect the younger players have for Sampras. I'm still hoping Gasquet is the natural successor to Sampras and Federer, stylish players with a one hand backhand. Maybe he could ask Pete for some advice when they meet.
     
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  29. drakulie

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    I also agree with this. Especially the fact that Nadal uses such a small frame. No way he would have a chance against Pete. He would definitely need a larger frame. :)
     
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    get real...keep it in context....sampras said he would be licking his chops to play some of the players of today on fast surfaces where he would serve and volley and disrupt their rhythm...including nadal's...

    this year's wimbledon final went to roger federer solely because of his serve and his good volleys at times....nadal has had and still has trouble against net rushers....
     
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    You just contradicted yourself. LOL! Pete would beat Nadal at the AO too. Also any of the indoor surfaces as well.
     
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    Not the same as Hewitt at all. Hewitt really got to Sampras because of his brilliant returns, so consistent (unlike Agassi) and always made Sampras play difficult volleys at his feet, forcing Sampras to hit up and giving Hewitt the opportunity to pass him.

    Nadal's return game is excellent due to his great groundstrokes, but his return of serve is relatively poor - he'd be mishitting a lot of Sampras' serves and those that he does make would be fairly easy volleys for Sampras in his prime. If they played now with Sampras being significantly slower than his heyday he won't be able to close the net fast enough which would give Nadal more opportunities in the past.
     
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    Exactly. Nadal's return is usually short and down the middle. Sampras would eat that up. Nadal is a great player so he would adapt, and Sampras in turn would adapt...so it would be interesting.
     
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    I think Sampras would do better than Federer against Nadal on fast courts.
    But on clay, Federer will do much much better than Sampras against Nadal.
     
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  35. nikdom

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    Hey guys, I get to see Sampras in person in 2 weeks, playing the Outback Series finals in Charlotte. (I'm sure he'll make the finals) :D

    I'm so excited, I can't wait. I'll have a scouting report for you after the game. I want to see how well he's hitting the ball and if the Exo against Federer is going to be competitive or not.

    All said and done, you have to respect what Sampras achieved and no one can take that away from him. I'll be cheering for him come Sunday Sep 30 but I'll still be wearing my "Roger Federer" T-Shirt. ;)
     
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    nadal is basically a souped up Michael Chang.... Chang gave Sampras all sorts of problems
     
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    You dead on. There are a lot of Sampras fanatics here. They just give him credit for doing his mostly talking. Sampras brainwashed all his fans about weak era, and equipment, etc. What a cry baby. Fed would beat Sampras most of the times they play simply because he's a more complete player. Fed has practically all better strokes. Sampras may have a small margin in the serve department, but Fed's return is much better than Sampras's return. So Sampras's serve would be neutralized anyway.

    I am not sure that people do appreciate what they witness here or simply close their eyes and deny everything about the artistry and genius of Fed. What a pithy.
     
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  38. Tennis_Bum

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    Can't compare Muster and Berasategui to Nadal. That's nuts. Nadal is much better than those two.
     
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  39. Tennis_Bum

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    Pete is all talks. He's not serving bombs anymore. A guy named Sam Warburg, ranked 169, beat Pete rather easily. Pete's barks are worse than his bites.
     
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    I think it should be Fed who has the margin in the serve department. Sampras's serve is simply overrated.
     
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    Nadal would destroy Sampras completely. The field today is stronger than the one that Sampras was playing in. The top 5 today are much better players than any given top 5 of Sampras's time (except maybe Agassi).
     
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    Was there some leap in human evolution in the last few years that I missed? Are there suddenly twice as many people playing tennis now than 10 years ago? Your Federer the GOAT idolized Sampras at one time and tried to model his game after Sampras'. Sampras was the king. I seriously doubt that Nadal would "destroy Sampras completely," considering his troubles with big servers and net rushers, and considering he has never faced a volleyer as good as Sampras, or a serve as well placed as Sampras'. I still regard Nadal highly and I think he'd definitely be able to adapt and give Sampras a tough time, and certainly beat him on clay...but it wouldn't be a blow out.
     
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    Wait a second buddy. Yeah Nadal of course would smoke Muster now. But Back in the day, Muster would have run circles around the guy. Especially if he wasn't hit by the drunk driver. Nadal was already having trouble with Puerta, so what are you talking about. Guga would also kick Nadal's butt and his fingers too if they happen to be in there, which is highly likely since, When is Nadal's fingers not in his butt?
     
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    LMAO! Too good.

    Mods, you may now close this thread!
     
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    No he wouldn't. The surface would totally dictate who wins. They are both specialized in their surface. Sampras on fast surfaces and Nadal for slow surfaces.
     
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    Are you comparing Pete now ie 2007 VS Nadal (current world No:2) , off course Pete would get smoked off the court, how bad, is anyone's guess lol. Even Federer has trouble.......
    If you're talking Pete Wimbledon 1999 final VS Nadal now or his best ever, my money will be on Pete!

    As for the exhibition matches Sampras Vs Federer, I wouldn't look to deep into the matches.I wouldn't be surprised if Pete won a couple of tie breakers , but would probably lose the match itself against Federer, it wouldn't be shameful to lose to the current world no:1, besides Pete's last competitive match on the ATP tour was 5 years ago, the game of tennis has evolved.Unless Federer trounces Pete 6-0,6-0, or the other way round, I am expecting a entertaining match between the current no:1 and former no:1.
     
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    Remember, even Sampras made it to the finals of the FO using serve and volley. His forehand was even better than Federer's. But he, too would have problems with Nadal's high topspin. But it wouldn't matter to him because Nadal would have to be passing him all the time.
     
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    I don't think so....
    Nadal completely destroyed Roddick during the PLO 2007....
     
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    No he didnt.

    Hell no. Not even close.

    The first true thing you said.

    On Pete's own serve maybe, since Nadal gets a high first serve percentage and doesnt give you much to work with I doubt much on Nadal's serve.
     
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    And that was a slow, high bouncing hard court. The surface would totally dictate who wins.
     
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