Sampras vs Safin 2002 Australian Open Highlights

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  1. quest01

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    Safin is using a Dunlop.?

    Does anyone know which one?
     
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    Head Prestige 600 with Dunlop Muscle Weave 200g 90 paintjob
     
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    Alas, too bad. :(
     
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    the crack of the ball off their racquets is sweet...
     
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    Those were some really fun highlights to watch. I forget how much I miss serve and volley. Really great stuff to watch.
     
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    and sampras had no clothing contract at the time. interesting that sampras' backhand is nowhere near as bad as legend has it (tho they are highlights)
     
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    By 2002 Sampras was pretty much at the end of his career while Safin was nearing his peak. It was interesting too see Safin feed off one the "best" serve in tennis. It looked like Safin got more free points off his serve than Sampras. Sampras is noticeably slower and hence relies more on slice backhand than top spin.

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    my goodness, I had forgotten how ugly sampras groundstorkes were. thanks for the reminder OP. good for tennis that this boring hack retired and now we have federer and djokovic at the very top.
     
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    Whoa brother, that might be a bit harsh don't you think?
     
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    Bottom line, Sampras was not very confident at this point. But he ended up winning this match and the tournament. Sampras is substance over style, for sure.

    Generally speaking, outside of the fact that they both serve and volleyed, McEnroe and Sampras had very different skills. One thing I have noticed, they both are fantastic at timing their shots, adding or taking off pace and moving forward to cut off angles. They both had a knack for knowing where they were on the court and finding a way to win points on their terms.

    Safin crushes the ball. Good highlights.
     
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    He is just fighting against the nostalgia. :)

    What?
     
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    Always loved Pete-Safin matches, they had some great ones.

    Actually Johansson ended up winning this tournament, this is 2002 AO not USO.
     
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    Sampras forehand looked kind of funky in this clip. Also Sampras struggled against Safin when playing from the baseline on a slower court. I don't know if he would have competed well in this era. I'm a big fan of Sampras though.
     
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    Safin was no where near his peak here in 2002, in fact, Safin never really got to peak; Everytime he got going, he got injured. His attitude this tournament wasn't great and he wasn't exactly where he was physically in 2004 and 2005. The final was damn right annoying to see someone with Safin's talent lose to someone he would normally straight set if playing well. Oh well.


    As for the match, Safin is nightmare match-up for Sampras; Passes like a gunshot (powerful and accurate), can out hit Sampras from the baseline and can have those crazy return games as well as being a superior mover. I think the only surface Sampras would be able to beat an in-form Safin would be grass.
     
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    You think Safin moved better than Sampras? Really?!

    I guess I shouldn't be surprised at this coming from you, you also believe Safin moved better than Monfils :confused:
     
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    eh,no , safin would have trouble vs the sampras first serve unless he was absolutely zoned in ala USO 2000 ...... and he's in no way a superior mover to sampras ...

    also , while safin was a good passer, unless absolutely zoned in, he wasn't close to the likes of agassi/hewitt/federer/nadal in that dept ...

    as far as in-form play is concerned, safin beats sampras on slow HC/clay, sampras easily beats him on grass, edges him out indoors (HC/carpet ) ..... medium-to-fast HC would be a tossup ...
     
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    Great highlights!!

    Two great players to watch, hitting hard, looking for winners, all-court game. Beautiful tennis.
     
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    Interestingly, the H2H is 3-4 in favor of Safin.

    Sampras's three wins are all on hard-court.
    1998 US Open
    NY, U.S.A. Hard R16 Sampras, Pete
    6-4, 6-3, 6-2


    2000 Tennis Masters Cup
    Lisbon, Portugal Hard RR Sampras, Pete
    6-3, 6-2


    2001 US Open
    NY, U.S.A. Hard Semis Sampras, Pete
    6-3, 7-6(5), 6-3
     
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    yep...agree with this...people think safin had this mythical standard of tennis tennis as if he could turn on US2000 on again..um no..

    you could say the precise same thing about goran vs sampras dept.
    better backhands when on...better returner when on etc...

    but really..there's a reason pete has 14 and marat ended with 2.

    sampras is a superior mover and superior at net..
    safin is a good mover for a big man

    also..on grass safin would have no chance as he needs traction on the return.

    overall i do agree that ..when on...safin will cause issues cause his return style...

    I was so annoyed watching safin lose to roddick AO 07. His tactics on the return were soooo wrong. all he needed to do was stand further back and chip it back deep and/or invite andy to come and show off his volley skills...ala the way rafter would chip back returns...but nooo he had to do his andre impression.
     
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    Everyone would struggle with an inform Safin on a slower HC, not to mention that Sampras was well past his prime when most of their meetings occurred (heck in this match guy was one year away from retirement).

    You don't know if he would have competed well in this era? He won USO the same year (he lost this match) and that was only slightly more than a decade ago, I'll never understand people who think tennis becomes a completely different sport after 10 years (as long it isn't involves some drastic equipment change like wood to graphite or something similar).

    I don't know how many times I repeated this but slow HC doesn't = clay ( compare Nadal and Pete's performances on clay and slow HC for example) and slower Wimbledon grass of today still rewards big serving and aggressive all-court play.
     
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    Yeah, Sampras was a better mover but it's still amazing how well Safin moved compared to other players of his height/build, the guy really is an underachiever considering his all-around ability (not saying that people don't overrate him at times).
     
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    If Sampras hits those loopy backhands to Nadal, he would have had one major or two, not 14.
     
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    Monfils is more athletic. Do you not play tennis to realise court positioning, weight distribution and foot coordination are the elements in actually foot work?; Foot speed is not foot work. Monfils is just fast period (although Safin was quick too). Safin's coordination, distribution and positioning are far superior to Monfils.

    Being rapid around the court doesn't mean you have efficient foot work. Anyone with half a brain or just plays tennis knows that court coverage does not make for superior movement.


    Uh, Safin is known to have some of the best passes ever. I see the myth that Safin can only play tennis on 'zoned in days' is still alive and kicking. Oh well, it's clearly obvious some people have absolutely no clue what they are talking about; You being one of them.
     
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    LOL!! My bad.

    Nevermind
     
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    never said or implied remotely that safin could play tennis only on zoned in days .. just that consistently day in day out, he wasn't close to how well agassi/hewitt/federer/nadal pass .......

    when playing well, he passed really well, but otherwise, quite a bit below these guys ...

    and yes, sampras/monfils are clearly better movers than safin , not just footspeed, overall movement ( even though safin moved exceptionally well for his size )

    its just the safin fanboy in you thinking/speaking otherwise ...
     
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    You believe Monfils has better coordination/balance/court positioning/efficiency than Safin? Absolute rubbish. Go and ask anyone who plays tennis, they will tell you that coverage and foot speed does not equate to good footwork. Safin's footwork around the net is also superior. You clearly have never lifted a racket to claim Monfils moves better than Safin.



    In your opinion, how does Monfils have better footwork than Safin?
     
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    monfils' advantage in speed is more than enough to cover up for everything else ... his footwork is also pretty good ..his main problem is his court positioning & passive play ...but when he's not clowning around ... he consistently gets to balls that safin never did/could ...

    I never said monfils is better in all aspects, just that overall he's better than safin as far as movement is concerned ...
     
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    I think what held Safin back game-wise (not including lack of commitment and injuries), was his return, which wasn't very good for such an otherwise great player.
     
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    Thanks for confirming you know absolutely nothing about tennis.
     
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    I'm not sure I totally agree with that. His return of Sampras' 2nd serve is what won him the US Open. On grass and clay, I think you might have a point. I think that Safin moved pretty well. He moved very similarly to the other Russian players like Medvedev and Kafelnikov. Looking very stiff, but all got into position well enough to hit the 2 hander with great power and consistency. I honestly believe that Safin suffered from the same issues as Roddick, Courier and maybe Wilander. They just did not improve their weaknesses and develop their games enough to play beyond their perceived limits.
     
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  32. NadalAgassi

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    Monfils has amazing raw speed in a track runner sense but it doesnt translate to great tennis movement really. His footwork is pretty bad, and his balance isnt that great either, and in fact he often looks clumsy out there. If he were really that great an overall mover and defender he would have done alot more, even with his ridiculously overly passive play (considering he can hit a huge serve and forehand). Look at Nadal who while he is capable of ferocious and very heavy groundstrokes often plays overly passively, and even lets his groundstrokes land inside the service box, and even some of thoses times he still sweeps through a tournament by beating all the big 3 or 4. Monfils would not be capable of this.
     
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    Often wondered why Sampras hit those loopers later in his career. When he won his first USO he was blasting drive backhands winners over and over.
     
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