San Francisco Tennis Club Tourney's

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  1. eastbayliz

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    I did notice on the very back row that the space between baseline and wall seemed really crowded. Have you noticed this or was it just me?
     
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    Ok just processed the "stuffy as hell" observation. Did not help my shaky match fitness level.
     
  3. sam_p

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    Why is it my job to justify anything? No one is forcing anyone to join. I like the courts fine and find it convenient and well within my means to play there...
     
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    Because San Francisco is rarely that hot or that cold, I don't believe they have much of a climate control system. I personally don't find it stuffy except during the rare heat wave. That being said, I do believe it is always hard for people to adjust to the flat light of playing indoors and the lack of breeze. Usually takes a few games to get used to things. We call it home court advantage.
     
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    I don't feel that way for the baseline, but agree the space between the court and the net between courts is on the puny side.
     
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    These are the first indoor courts I have on in Cali and as far as indoor goes I think they are pretty nice. Some of the dimensions of the courts do seem a little cramped-but I think all and all they are really excellent. I plan on playing all the NTRP tourneys this year there. I grew up playing tennis in Utah and that meant playing indoor all winter. And I have played in some pretty atrocious bubbles. Bad bad lighting, truly stuffy and cramped. Right now I can't wait to get my own "home court advantage" at Davies Tennis Stadium in Piedmont/Oakland. They host three NTRP/one Open tourney in 2013.
     
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    I am now 0-3 in 2013 in NTRP/Open tourney's at The SFTC. First match in 4.5 I lost 2 and 2 but match lasted two hours. Played pretty decent. Then played Open and drew a hotshot JR player that I later found out is #2 in NorCal in 18's. I was thrilled to take two games from her in the 2nd yet. My serve was awesome mostly I think because I was so amped because I knew any game I would win would be because of tough serves. And then there last weekend when I played at my NTRP level 4.0. Played the first game and thought I am going win easily. Big mistake there in my concentration. Ended up choking on what felt like every point. Hit forehands (my best shot) into the bottom of the net. Lost 4 and 1. This one stung! On the bright side just saw that my opponent won the tourney. I hope my luck will be better (and my play) on my side of the bay the next few months.
     
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    Liz,

    Sounds like you had a great (but humbling) time.

    I'm up in Sonoma county myself, but wouldn't mind driving down to rally a bit in the next month or so.

    I'd PM you, but I don't think I have enough posts here to do so yet (?)
     
  9. LeeD

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    Liz, if you're free on weekends, there is a good, friendly, 4.0 group for pickup doubles at SanPabloCourts starting around 9AM.
    Don't worry, I won't be there.
     
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    Hey thanks Lee!
     
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    hmmmmm...I am not sure I will check out settings. I know that now that I have 50 posts I can do more things. Yeah I am always up for hitting, playing sets

    The tournament was humbling though I called it ego crushing! haha Motivation to hit and play more so I can improve and start winning some matches.
     
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    I used to belong to SFTC from 2000 - 2006. I was on a discounted corporate membership, so monthly fees weren't bad, but I always hated the court fees. However, the level of tennis there is outstanding... lots of great players, a top notch staff of pros who can actually teach you something, towel service, filtered water on the courts, full gym, cafe, etc. It was also common to see ATP pros (I saw Agassi, Chang, Gilbert, Roddick, etc) and top college players practicing there, so that was always a treat.

    If you think the space between courts is bad, you should see Pleasanton Clubsport, where I currently belong. By contrast, this club has extreme narrow courts, low ceilings, poor lighting, no AC, no water on the courts, and a lousy staff. They don't charge court fees, but you get what you pay for.

    SFTC is by far the best indoor tennis club in Northern California.
     
  13. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    That is a sad sad statement, how come you are no longer a member there? You've moved?

    All the other services, filtered water, towel, gym, etc. etc. I don't need to be paying $200+, on top of court fees for those.

    And that's not a cafe. A mobile cafe has a bigger menu than they do.

    All I'm saying, for the $$$$$ they're charging, it's substantially lacking as a facility.
     
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    Eat your hearts out, NorCals. Here in Transchoptankia, we have a four-court indoor facility with a rubberized surface, which means it's fast and with a low bounce. The lighting is so-so. The heat doesn't work. There is no AC. There are tears in the court surfaces. But guess what...you never have to worry about getting a court. Just walk-on. The hourly rate per court is $25. And they operate on the honor system. Just go there and play, and then leave a check. There is no attendant on duty most of the time. Works for me. I get to play all the indoor tennis I want.
     
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    Sure, if you want to pay to play tennis.
    In SanFrancisco, there's something like 152 public tennis courts, all free except for GoldenGatePark's 21 courts. There's it's like 2 bucks per person per hour and a half. All fresh air outdoors. It rains about 25 days a year.
     
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    Two things

    a) SF has an average of about 70 days of rain a year, not complaining, just correcting.

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/online/ccd/prcpdays.html

    b) Why do you care that others want to pay to play indoors on well maintained, nice courts? Not being snarky, just wondering why you care...
     
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    Sam...
    I've lived in SanFrancisco from 1949 thru 1985, and have lived within 20 miles since, and I'm now 64.
    Rain days this winter has been less than 15 days total.
    Where do you get your "70" from?
    Flood years, like '98, could rain 70 days, but that's maybe 200 % of normal rain.
    70 rain days would be 2 months and a week of rainy days! We don't live on Kaui.
    Oh, been a surfer keeping track of weather for 25 years, and a skier for 6, snowboarder for 7, and tennis player since 1974.
     
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    Oh, precip .01.
    Did you know SanFrancisco get's fog? I lived out at 45th Ave. for 30 years. That study is pure BS, and like statistics anywhere, can be manipulated any way the writer wants.
     
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    I like the courts. I've played on exceptional courts inside and dreadful ones. These are pretty good IMO.
     
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    Sir, you are debating with LeeD. For a more productive use of your time might I humbly suggest grabbing the nearest hammer and smacking it repeatedly against your head. For reasons too numerous to explain. You. Cannot. Win.
     
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    Yep, I wound up getting married and moving to the burbs ;) Your point is well taken though, I'm just saying that for the extra money you do get those small luxuries you don't see at other clubs.

    Overall though, if you're a tennis fanatic and like to be surrounded by other tennis fanatics, then SFTC is the place to be. All the members there are paying top $$$ for their tennis, and they take is seriously, which is a good thing!

    Believe me, once you've belonged to a club like this, it's nearly impossible to go back to playing on public courts.
     
  22. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I do fear that. And not because SFTC is such a nice place, but its courts are faster and being indoor, you have near perfect conditions all the time (minus the stuffiness and that annoying drone in the background).

    Most outdoor courts are much slower than SFTC's. I love fast courts and dislike slow court, I don't want to get to the point where I can't play on slower courts anymore.

    And at $200+/month, I'd rather spend that on gut. At most, I go through $50 worth of gut/month. It's more worthwhile to me.
     
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    sam p, I did not mean to sound snarky. I just wanted you San Franciscans to know how we peasants in Transchoptankia live (and play tennis). Nearby, we also have a university with 12 outdoor courts open to the public and free.
    LeeD, you're right. NorCal has the best climate in the world. If it weren't for Gov. Moonbeam, DiFi,and that little transplant brat from Baltimore, I'd consider living there.
    P.S. I've got a 10'6'' Hobie Alter surfboard, which I bought in 1968. We don't have your big waves, just squishy Atlantic Ocean chop, but at least I can pretend. Say hi to the Big Kahuna for me.
     
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    This isn't a debate, we have more than 30 days a year of rain on the average. This has been a dry year, as happens at times. A couple of years ago we had about 30 days STRAIGHT of rain. I've lived here a long time as well. As to the issue of fog, it is also unpleasant to play outdoors in driving wind and fog...
     
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    Yes, it is possible that I know about fog, having lived here quite a while myself. Playing in driving wind and fog is no fun either. Furthermore, we most certainly do have more than 25 days of rain a year. It is March now, in a dry year and we've had more than 10 already. I'd say an average of 70 a year is pretty close to right.

    As I said, I'm not disputing that SF is a nice place to play tennis outdoors. What I am questioning is why the need to care that some choose to play indoors...
     
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    I would take San Diego any day over SF as far as weather. Actually I would take LA over SF as well. No fog and warmer.
     
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    The big problem for SF is the absence of reservable courts with lights or any sort of large public tennis center with lights. It may be dry over the winter, but it gets dark after 5, so if you want to play during the week, your options here are very limited. Golden Gate Park, the main public tennis center, has no lights. SF State also has no lights. There are lighted public courts that are "first come, first served", but those are often pretty crowded unless you play late. This will work if you're with a buddy, don't mind waiting, and you just want to hit a bit or maybe fit in a set. But if you want to schedule a full match (maybe as part of a flex league), there's really no way to reserve a lighted court unless you're a member of a private club.

    I suspect that access to lighted courts, rather than indoor facilities, is what drives a lot of tennis players in SF to shell out for SFTC or Gateway. They're a little expensive, but unlike Cal Club or Olympic, all you need to join SFTC is a credit card.

    Presidio YMCA has a few lighted courts. They're not on par with SFTC or the other dedicated tennis clubs, and they're very out of the way for most of SF, but they're serviceable, so I guess that's probably your cheapest option.
     
  28. sam_p

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    Indeed, this is a major factor.

    Furthermore, SFTC is open until midnight most days. For people who want to play late at night, there is no other real option.

    Also, don't underestimate the ability to reserve a court a week ahead and to know that you'll be able to play regardless of the weather. For a lot of people with busy work lives, this is well worth some $$$
     
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    Yeah it is a no brainer
     
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    I'll take fog over smog!
     
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    Live near the beach- all the smog blows inland :)
     
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    One last point, obviously SF doesn't have 70 days FULL OF RAIN a year, however, it only takes a little bit of wetness to make courts unplayable - even a drizzle (something we have with great frequency in the winter) is enough. I've also pretty frequently had courts made difficult to play due to slickness from fog (a regular problem at Olympic on winter nights at 6:30). There is no dispute that there are tons of nice outdoor courts in SF and surrounding areas (and I play on them all the time), but if you want to be able to KNOW that you will be able to play tennis a week ahead of time at a particular time, with a particular partner or foursome, indoors is the way to go.
     
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    Oh yeah, I agree, rain is still a factor in SF in the winter. When I say it will be "dry" in SF in the winter, I mean that you every winter will have reasonably long stretches of weather that are dry and warm enough to play. It definitely rains enough to be disruptive here. It's just not prohibitively cold (or a full season drizzle-out like you might get up in Seattle). In those spots, I'd say indoor courts are a necessity for year round play. In SF, it's definitely nice to have, but not absolutely necessary.
     
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    Full agreement!
     
  35. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Yeah you'll just get lung cancer, that's all.
     
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    Are you saying death rate due to lung cancer is higher in LA and San Diego compared to San Fran? Oh wait, we already have data on this subject

    3 year death rates due to lung cancer 2008-2010

    San Francisco - crude death death rate= 40.8, age adjusted death rate= 35.3

    Los Angeles: 28.1, 30.9

    San Diego: 34.9, 37.6

    source: http://www.cdph.ca.gov/pubsforms/Pubs/OHIRProfiles2012.pdf
     
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    Interesting, but (1) misleading, and (2) irrelevant:

    (1) Misleading because San Francisco county is a relatively small area that includes just the city of SF itself. Los Angeles county is much larger and includes much more than the LA city metro area.

    (2) Irrelevant, because the primary health impact of smog is not lung cancer, but rather pneumonia and COPD (including chronic bronchitis and emphysema).

     
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    the thread has veered way off topic, but eh, it's Friday.

    San Francisco has about a 40% higher smoking rate than Los Angeles, and obviously the relationship between smoking and lung cancer is well established. I've read that smog, especially at high levels of exposure, may also be a carcinogen.

    My friday morning guess is that playing tennis in smog probably does raise the lung cancer risk, just not enough to offset the effects of higher smoking in SF (and probably not enough to offset the benefits of exercise, either, though you might want to stay indoors on smoggy days, esp if you have an existing lung condition).

    It would be interesting to see the age adjusted numbers for non-smokers.
     
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    (2)Not irrelevant because I was quoting a poster who was specifically talking about lung cancer. It only would be irrelevant if he was talking about overall effects of smog and I brought up lung cancer. But in fact he was the one who specifically mentioned lung cancer so it is completely relevant to the question at hand. In fact I would argue that you bringing up ozone was completely irrelevant because we were specifically talking about lung cancer.

    (1)Not misleading. Everybody knows that San Francisco county is smaller than Los Angeles county. That is why I mentioned the death rates versus the raw numbers. Obviously the raw number of deaths are due to lung cancer are going to be much higher in LA county. Death rates are a completely reasonable way to compare counties of differing population sizes. Why do you think epidemiologists use them? Age adjusted rates take into account that one county may have an older population therefore higher cancer death rates.
     
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    (1) I doubt people who live outside of CA realize how the counties are drawn up. It's not that SF county is smaller than LA county in the proportion that SF is a smaller city than LA. Rather, it's that SF county is just metro SF, whereas LA county includes a lot of suburbia and open space. Age adjusted rates account for age differences, but not for demographic and habit differences that one might typically find when comparing a dense urban region with a much larger region that includes a lot of suburban areas.

    (2) I was thinking about the broader context - i.e. does the higher smog level in LA vs SF have a health and quality of life impact. And cancer rates do not figure into this one way of the other since there is no established link between smog and cancer in medical circles, but a very proven one between smog and various other lung diseases. It would be incorrect and misleading to dismiss smog as a health concern for the reason that it does not correlate to lung cancer rates. But yes you are right; the poster who brought up lung cancer as a specific causality was not correct. COPD is where it's at! (cough, cough)
     
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    I found this article on the possible link between smog and lung cancer among people who never smoked.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21980033

    "Conclusions: The present findings strengthen the evidence that ambient concentrations of PM(2.5) measured in recent decades are associated with small but measurable increases in lung cancer mortality."
     
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    It's not always foggy. And yes, SD and LA are warmer, but sometimes perhaps too warm i.e. HOT. Wouldn't you rather play in a nice temperate 60 degrees F (instead of 80)?
     

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