Sanchez-Vicario, anyone a fan?

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  1. Chillaxer

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    She and Graf, Sabatini et el produced an exciting era of Women's tennis, must admit I never watch women now. Apparently her parents theived her money.
    Any other news on her, or anyone got any views? (Sabatini also)
     
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  2. kiki

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    The 1990´s were, along early 80´s, the best era of women´s tennis.arantxa was a preminent player, that means she was a heck of a pro.
     
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  3. Chillaxer

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    Yeah, it was a lot more exciting then. She had some flair.
     
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    never liked watching her because she was a grinder that won almost exclusively on her opponents errors. Fist pumping when Graf would net a forehand or something. Nothing personal but I’ve never liked that game style so I was never a fan of watching her play. In terms of top ranked women's 90s tennis she was the most boring to watch by a long shot
     
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  5. Chillaxer

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    Might explain why I am a Rafa fan too. I can understand a lot of people don't like it but maybe I appreciate defence and chasing down lost cause balls :confused:
     
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    I always liked her - she had spunk and was probably the best defensive retriever that I've ever seen and she gave Graf fits more than a few times in their rivalry.
     
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    Those early 90's represent some of the deepest quality draws on clay I can think of. Virtually the entire top ten had fantastic clay court games and Sanchez was as good as almost any of them on dirt. She is underappreciated for tactical sense and keen volleying. She was more than just a 'grinder'.
     
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  8. suwanee4712

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    I'm going to get creamed for this, but fire away .....

    One top coach at the time commented to me that ASV consistently being in the top 4 showed a lack of thinkers and tacticians during the 90's. Her forehand was weak to nearly nonexistent up the line. Crosscourt FH was a loopy, readable stroke. Why every player didn't chip low to her forehand and cover the crosscourt pass I'll never know.

    Martina consistently took advantage of this even after she had lost about two steps. She didn't need to be so quick knowing where the ball would go. When players like MJF, Sukova, and Novotna figured this out they all starting beating her. This is also probably why Hingis handled her so easily. She knew how to exploit this weakness.
     
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  9. pennc94

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    My thoughts exactly.
     
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  10. Long Face

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    I enjoyed watching Michael Chang's games, but not hers.
     
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    This woman must have had something more in her repetoire than heavy topspin and a loopy forehand with 11 major doubles finals ( of which she won 6) and 8 major mixed finals (of which she won half) but yes her forehand was her weaker side, undoubtedly.
     
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    I agree.She was the least exciting player to watch in an era full of terrific players and personalities.The Golden Era of Women´s tennis.
     
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    While ASV's game in and of itself wasn't particularly exciting, her never say die attitude and scrappiness made her matches with the other top players of her era exciting to watch at times. Games can be exciting based on how the opponents match up with each other. On the other hand, I will admit that it was frustrating to see many players with much greater weapons commit suicide in matches against her.
     
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    Chang´s record is a joke compared to hers.
     
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  15. suwanee4712

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    That's the frustrating part for me. ASV did have more game than she showed. But she was rarely forced to use it. I liked watching her matches with Martina because she knew she had to be more aggressive. Ever see her play Habsudova or Martinez? You could fill in 100 other names and it would be equally mindnumbing ....at least for me. And I'm a fan of the Maleevas! :shock:

    Speaking of her doubles almost all of her many partnerships ended on bad terms, same with her coaches. That always made me quite leary of her but given the drama with her parents perhaps that had less to do with ASV than I thought.

    Now I've been harsh on ASV but I do respect her. Few had a heart as big as hers. And her backhand up the line could be lethal - when flattened out. Her overhead was a very heavy shot which you would not expect of her, very effective.
     
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  16. suwanee4712

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    I very much agree with this. Obviously ASV's considerable intangibles are something that even her harshest critics must respect.
     
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    She was a great, gusty player, but I remember how she always complained about line calls, even on clay.
     
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  18. Chillaxer

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    What do you mean by intangibles? Original strategies to win that people don't get?
     
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    I know. But watching the person play and his/her record are two very different things. I guess I enjoyed watching Chang struggled to survive, trying to come up with ways to win one point and then another.

    Remember the 1989 French Open?
     
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    It remind me a lot of the 1982 French.
     
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  21. Chillaxer

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    Was that the underam serve one?
     
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  22. bluetrain4

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    I always respected her and I love her in retrospect as she came from my favorite era of tennis. Such movement, consistency, tenacity, fight, and variety. Just not a lot of power to go with it.

    But, I liked Sabatini, Pierce, Seles, Graf better than her, so during that era, I often was rooting against her.
     
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  23. Chillaxer

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    I liked Sabatini too. What a mysterious woman.
     
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    Mostly I saw her playing Graf, or Pierce where there was plenty of agression on the other side to keep rallies from being terminal. She definitely used a tactical mind vs Graf and knew how to turn defense into an offensive situation, either with that backhand drive or a flat approachand volley but the basic war was how many forehands could Graf actually hit without screwing up, because Sanchez knew how to make her win points two or three times more than most in one rally. Graf really had to control her bold nature on clay or hard courts until she was sure it was worth the risk. Steffi dared not abandon her basic game, but she sure had to mitigate her instincts to the Sanchez reality. On clay especiallly she had better be timing that forehand to perfection or the errors will lead to embarrasssment.

    I always felt Sanchez was comparatively poorly matched vs S/Vers ( navratilova, sukova and novatna are all there were left) because that forehand simply did not work as well as a passing stroke/ return. She couldn't flatten it out enough and keep it out of the net.
     
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  25. suwanee4712

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    Few people had as big of a heart or fighting spirit as she, so those are two big intangibles. I would also add that she knew how to get under another player's skin and use it to her advantage.
     
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    I actually liked the woman too. One of favourite tennis personas.
    Never really knew she was big on psychological warfare, what sort of stuff you referring to?
     
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    ASV was big on questioning almost all balls close to the line, and even dare I say circling the wrong mark on clay to influence the chair. Remember this was before the age of the instant replay and challenge system. It would have been interesting to see how she would have fared in that respect in these times.
     
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    for all the talk of graf benefiting from the seles stabbing (something i don't really agree with 100%), i always thought that it was actually asv who benefited the most from this unfortunate incident. but that's another story...

    people remember asv's matches with graf the most, but i also remember her matches against seles. somehow, she was able to make seles play like her. go review their 1991 french and 1992 uso finals and you'll know what i mean. her consistent defense and ability to feed off pace made seles play a more patient, grinding type of game. but seles was always going to be the better shotmaker. when she really needed to step it up, she could nail the ball more than asv, hence the straight set (though not totally one-sided) scores of both matches. but after the stabbing, when seles was clearly not in as good shape as before, asv could outlast her in the rallies. this is what happened when seles lost to asv at the french in 1998.
     
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  29. chandler bing

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    I enjoyed watching ASV play. Her matches against more powerful players were usually entertaining. It was fun watching her run everything down. And like somebody else posted earlier, she was a scrapper, a street fighter and not above using gamesmanship.
     
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