Sean Hannity Vs Usta

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  1. HIGH-TECH TENNIS

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    Whether you like his politics or not, Sean Hannity is speaking out because he feels the same way we (and sooo many others) feel: "The USTA’s newly adopted and now pending changes for 2013-2014 are short-sighted at best and, at worse, could be the death knell for junior tennis in the U.S." CONTACT YOUR SECTIONS PLEASE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!

    http://www.hannity.com/article/sean-s-analysis-on-usta/15702
     
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  2. MomTennis

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    WOW!! Right on and good for Mr. Hannity. Thanks for sharing High Tech Tennis
     
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    Thanks for the link. The disadvantages are well documented.

    As for the advantages, these changes seem to benefit the strong players in strong sections (CA, FL) and especially those with September and to an extent August birthdates.
     
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    As always, Sean has his talking points ready. Wonder if her ever drops in on this board?....wonder what his alias is?

    Good read...thanks for the link!
     
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  5. chalkflewup

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    I agree with much of what Sean has to say. I disagree with him when he talks about laughing at insane tennis parents... Well Sean, I hate to tell ya but after reading your article, you're clearly one of us. Welcome to the nuthouse!
     
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    He talks about tennis quite a bit on his radio show.
     
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    Great article. I wished he'd have touched on the increase in the wild card spots as well, because the decrease in opportunities is even more dramatic when you account for all spots reserved for USTA's chosen ones.

    It's really sad what's happening. Unfortunatley, the lack of a US champion in recent years seems to be leading to a massive loss in perspective by the leadership at the USTA.

    Fundementally, what they have lost sight of us that junior tennis is an end in and of itself. It's the journey, not the destination. 99.9% of junior players will never be pros. Pro champions are a by product, not the objective. "Player Development" has hijacked the whole junior tennis program in their ill conceived top-down Soviet-Era style approach to create a champion. When they get out of the way America will start producing champions again the old fashion way. Through competition. And in the process thousands.of more juniors will have fun, fulfilling experiences in national junior competition and then go to college and then not go pro and that's ok.
     
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  8. tennis5

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    Well Researched By A Parent Who Is Actually There. Hope The Usta Could Listen.

    Sean's analysis on USTA
    June 26, 2012

    As many people know, my main passion in life is politics. I basically eat, breathe and sleep politics. In my private life, one of my main passions is sports. As a kid, I played ice hockey and roller hockey. I was a pitcher in baseball. I played basketball and stickball, both for endless hours. I also developed a love for tennis, which I have to this day.

    After a stint as a hockey and snow-skiing dad, I have now become a full-time tennis dad. I have two junior tennis players and I, like so many other sports parents, spend all of my free time watching practices, matches, and driving around to different tournaments.

    Tennis mirrors life in so many ways. I love the lessons in sportsmanship that tennis teaches my kids every day. They learn about winning and losing. They learn that the harder you work, the more likely you are to succeed. They learn to play fair. They also learn that sometimes life is not fair and there are those who do not "play by the rules." They are put in situations like being down 2-5, 15-40 in the 3rd set and then find out they can fight their way back. You can’t get that kind of education in a classroom. All of these are GREAT lessons for life.

    I am intrigued with every aspect of the game, whether it involves tactics, strategy, conditioning, or technique. My great escape in life is entering the "tennis world” on weekends. My wife and children and I have developed great friendships. We have also had to deal with those few “insane” tennis parents we come across, which, frankly, is rather amusing.

    With all of this as backdrop, let me now state up front that my reason for writing this letter is NOT about me or my kids. My top priority for my children is their education. They will not likely be professional tennis players. Our main goal is to keep them busy with tennis (by competing, exercising and having fun) as they develop. If they work hard enough, they will be able to choose whether they want to play tennis in college.

    In fact, my reason for writing this letter is as follows: The deeper I have gotten into the tennis world over the last several years, I have come to see that there appears to be a destructive bureaucratic/political elite within the USTA that, frankly, is in the process of hurting junior tennis and, consequently, the future of American tennis.

    As a parent of two junior players, I had been hearing rumors for months that the USTA was planning changes in its National Junior Competitive Schedule. Because the USTA had already reduced national opens by 50 percent and eliminated some of the Level 3 events in 2011, I couldn't imagine it would ever reduce opportunities to play national level events even more. But how wrong I was!

    As you may or may not know, the USTA Board of Directors approved a proposal at its annual meeting in March to radically change the competitive structure for American junior players, beginning in 2014. Compared to the 2011 schedule, this new structure will reduce the total number of competitive opportunities for junior players at the national level by about 50 percent. The reduction in opportunities for national play outside of one’s region will be over 75 percent. These changes will most radically adversely affect those players ranked below the top 30 or so nationally.

    If you are as frustrated as I am that American tennis has been on a steady decline, both professionally and at the college level, with more and more colleges giving scholarships to foreign students because American players are falling behind, as well as, the loss of college teams, the loss of high school teams, and the significant loss of tennis courts in major metropolitan areas, then I hope you will join me in urging the immediate reversal of the USTA’s "new rules" for juniors competition.

    Time is short. These “new rules” have been approved by the USTA but not yet implemented. Therefore, this letter is a direct appeal to the members of all USTA sections to work to reverse these changes before it is too late. Using the specifics of the USTA’s own proposal I would now like to discuss how these changes will negatively affect junior tennis.

    First off, I believe we can all agree that it is very important that juniors to be exposed to as many different opponents as possible. However, the new national junior schedule will limit players in the 14-18 age groups to a total of 512 opportunities to play outside their region. These 512 opportunities are spread across seven Level 1, Level 1A, and Level 2 event dates. That is an average of about 73 opportunities per event date.

    In the existing schedule, there are between 2,304 and 2,432 opportunities for players to compete against opponents from outside their region. These 2,300+ opportunities are spread across twelve Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3 event dates. That is an average of at least 192 opportunities per event date.

    In the 2014 schedule, however, only two events have as many as 128 opportunities, and they are concentrated in July and August. In the current schedule, the four National Level 1 and four National Level 2 events each have at least 128 opportunities. Three National Level 3 events each have 256 opportunities, and the summer National Level 3 event has 512.
     
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    Continued....

    The following is an outline of the USTA’s own rationale for proposing these changes, all of which – and more – can be found on its website.

    The USTA’s stated goal is to “prepare an appropriate national tournament structure and rating/ranking system for the future which:

    is affordable and will ensure that competitive tennis opportunities are available for all American juniors regardless of their economic circumstances and where they reside.

    supports the importance of a traditional American education and does not require students to short-change their academic careers.

    creates an environment to generate a base of more and better American junior players to fill the ranks of collegiate programs and, for the most outstanding of these, become potential future American professional champions.”

    USTA’s 2010 schedule allowed juniors the opportunity to play against a wider variety of playing styles and gave players greater flexibility in scheduling their national play. In the new schedule, however, if a player misses the July-August competitive period, he or she is basically going to be eliminated from national ranking contention for that year.

    This slashing of the number of competitive opportunities is troubling. But there is more: The USTA will be re-instituting the “Good Birthday/Bad Birthday” dilemma for national level juniors. A player born in July will always be the youngest player in the national rankings and national tournaments. Without full-sized national championships at times other than the July-August window, the USTA is retreating to the problems associated with “birth year” age control dates. Beginning in 2014, a September birthday will be treasured, while players born in July and August will pick another sport. Has anybody at the USTA ever read the book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell?

    It is difficult to justify corralling all players within their regions – and then only allowing the very best players in the nation the opportunity to compete against out-of-region opponents. Reducing out-of-region playing opportunities by at least 75 percent makes no sense from a developmental standpoint, to say nothing of how it will affect the players motivationally. All players should have the chance to be exposed to as many different opponents as possible within a framework that meets their personal schedule, and not be limited to the very rigid July-August time frame.

    There is no justification to reduce the number of competitive opportunities or to require regionalized play just to reduce travel for players and avoid missing school. Because of the reduction in the number of event dates, players will have FEWER choices to make about having to travel and when to play, regardless of how it affects their personal schedules. In fact, reducing the number of national event dates and sites will force players to travel to wherever the tournament is being held! Believing that it will be cheaper for a player to travel to one of four tournament sites across the U.S. would somehow be cheaper than traveling to one of eight sites defies all logic. While some players will by necessity be forced to stay close to home in regional play, those who are admitted to the reduced number of national events being offered will by necessity have to travel farther!

    When you have an expanded menu of tournament choices, those choices allow certain events to work into your personal world very well. More tournaments mean – more chances that you have cheaper airfares to a particular city, more drives instead of flies, more chances to stay at a friend's house, more chances to combine a tennis trip with a vacation, etc. When you don’t have these choices, you are left to do the best you can with what is offered.

    The result is this: Strong players will have to travel farther at greater costs. Good players will be restricted to play the same players over and over again in their regionally mandated events. Lower ranked players will not get to play national events at all and, in all likelihood, will understandably lose interest in pursuing the game.

    This is basic economics. When products are in short supply, one of two things must happen: The price will increase, or the demand will drop. In the case of junior tennis, because of the USTA’s proposals for 2014, both will happen. Some players will have to spend more; others will simply drop out.

    It is nearly impossible, especially when you consider their rationale in light of the proposed changes, to reconcile how the USTA’s “ends” justifies its “means.” In fact, retaining the current level of national competitive opportunities will hurt no one. Restricting opportunities, whether in numbers of players admitted, or by geographical location, or calendar date, will hurt every player, and specifically:

    Those players who are marginally ranked because of birth date or the radical skewing of the new point tables.

    Those players who are members of smaller sections and have to play the same opponents tournament after tournament.

    Players whose development is stunted by a lack of exposure to a variety of playing experiences, styles and weather conditions.

    Players who will never reap the benefits of being exposed to the top players in the U.S.

    Players who get hurt and miss the national tournament season, which is in July and August.

    Players who are motivated by the invisible badge they get for playing in a "national" event.

    Therefore, the USTA’s newly adopted and now pending changes for 2013-2014 are short-sighted at best and, at worse, could be the death knell for junior tennis in the U.S. Reducing the opportunities to compete in new environments against new and different players will hinder development and hasten a child's boredom with the sport. This will also result in reducing the possibilities of finding and developing future stars, both for college and the professional levels.

    It should also be noted that where tennis competition in the U.S. is concerned, the USTA operates as a monopoly. The International Tennis Federation (ITF) is basically the United Nations of tennis. The ITF and the International Olympic Committee (IOC) have declared the USTA the governing body of tennis for the United States

    Because the USTA owns the U.S. Open, which purportedly generates over $250 million gross revenue annually, it does not have to share its authority over youth competition as does Little League Baseball or Pop Warner Football within their sports. Ideally, I would prefer free market competition, but with a $100 million dollar net annual advantage, the likelihood of this is remote. Therefore, since the USTA occupies this unique "bureaucratic" position in the sport, changes must come from within.

    Fortunately, the USTA is governed by its 17 volunteer sections. It is through these sections that meaningful changes must take place in regard to the direction of youth tennis, specifically with this issue of the reduction of national level competition for players ranked below the top 30 or so in the U.S.

    In fact, the largest sectional association, USTA Southern, voted against the proposal. This section's officials painstakingly analyzed it and were unwaveringly against it. They came to understand how detrimental this really is to junior tennis. Southern section officials voted against it, despite the possible political consequences from USTA higher-ups

    Speaking of organizational politics, I would urge each of you, especially those who are now working in or with the USTA, to look at this issue ONLY through the eyes of someone who desperately wants what is best for the long-term health of the sport and its players, present and future. It is admirable to work for or serve the USTA, whether as an official employee or as a volunteer. But this is NOT a reason to support a proposal you know will be detrimental to the sport of tennis – and this proposal certainly will be that.
     
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    As I have noted, the USTA is basically a monopoly and in-house changes, once they’ve been adopted, are difficult to come by. When the USTA eliminated national play for 12 and under players in 1989, it took 10 years to undo this mistake! If this newly adopted schedule is not changed before it is officially implemented, it could affect a whole generation of U.S. tennis players. At first glance, the goals in the proposal may seem admirable. But a closer look will prove that these reductions in opportunities for all but the top players are not only unfair, they will ultimately kill the future strength of the sport.

    As parents, coaches, players, and friends of tennis, we must now all speak up and demand that our sections INDIVIDUALLY re-examine the 2013-2014 proposal, using all available expertise at our disposal. I urge you and those in your section to look at the USTA’s goals in this proposal and its implementation factors. Contact your section president, let him or her know you oppose these changes for all the reasons I have stated.

    As well, go onto the USTA website and read its own documents on this matter for yourselves, especially the position statement titled “A USTA Junior Competition FAQ: Answers to Frequently Asked Questions Regarding the Proposed Changes to the USTA National Junior Competition Schedule.” Think about the questions, and the USTA’s answers to their own questions. You will see, as I have, that final adoption of this proposal will not only severely limit our kids today but will do long-term damage to junior development and all kids’ affinity for the game.

    After reading the Q&A, it will become clear that ostensibly the USTA’s proposal basically amounts to taking opportunities from everyone because some may be more challenged (whether by financial means, where they live, or when they were born) by the national schedule than others. This is wrongheaded. In a country as great as ours, the USTA can and should find other, more creative ways to help those who have challenges, including, in the case of financial concerns, even assessing a fee from all players at tournament registration that would go into a scholarship fund for those players who do need assistance. But to restrict opportunities for all based on an arbitrary analysis aimed at helping what amounts to be a few, is backward-thinking. In fact, as you will see after reading the proposal, the entire idea is flawed at the outset.

    When you talk to juniors, coaches, tournament directors, umpires, and parents at junior tournaments, which I do almost every weekend, almost all are against these changes. It is clear that if any junior tennis players, coaches, tournament directors, and parents were consulted, the sample must have been very small.

    In closing I want you to think back to the old USTA Level 3 National events that were steeped with tradition – Copper Bowl, Gator Bowl, Peach State, St. Louis Gateway, etc. Many players were introduced to the national competitive scene though these great events – but this is no longer the case since these were swallowed up by the present USTA Level 3 Regionals held on only four weekends a year. With their loss, the only national exposure a player can get is through the USTA Nationals, which are now being drastically reduced. I cannot believe this is what the USTA intended with their adopted proposal, and I urge you to join with me in reversing this action.
     
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  11. 10ismom

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    IMO USTA is doing a great job growing the game from the bottom with 10 and under. However, it made a major mistake trying to create such a narrow bottle neck for these kids.

    Either the glass bottle will explode or kids just quit trying to get to the top.
    It's going to be extremely hard for most kids to climb and tons might just stop at the rec level.
     
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    I agree 100%
     
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    I haven't heard of any molestations either. But anyone who lies as much as he does in a public forum hurts other people. I don't do that and I don't have serious issues, he does. You got that backwards.

    This is the equivalent of Charlie Sheen speaking out on the USTA. Or Alec Baldwin. Just because they are celebrities, people scramble to listen. Hannity is an entertainer right up there with Ted Nugent and Howard Stern. And he happens to play tennis.

    The guy has no credibility.
     
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  15. floridatennisdude

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    The main problem I see is that there are too many sections feeding into 1 national organization. Hannity is right about the smaller sections being at a disadvantage and those kids being forced to play basically the same opponents.

    The only way this setup could succeed is to revamp the sections into 4-6 regions that incorporate 4-5 of the current sections. Geographically, you could do something as simple as northeast, southeast, northwest, and southwest with the Mississippi river being a boundary.

    This Current setup is very risky. It doesn't take much to see the politics of the PD program influencing it.
     
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    If you consider Hannity a liar during his show on Fox, then you have to lump all the mainstream jounalists that Hannity criticizes into an even worse category. People like Andrea Mitchell, Brian Williams, George Stephanopoulis, Wolf Blitzer, and others who claim to be true journalists have been called out by Hannity for making lies, twisting the facts, and editing tapes to further their own agendas. Without Hannity and others to keep them in check, they would be even more out-of-control. That kind of stuff is even worse when it comes from mainstream journalists who present themselves to the public as being fair. At least Hannity doesn't claim to be a journalist. He is a talk show host and people know that up front.
     
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    It took all of 13 posts before the thread was going to turn into "I hate FOX, FOX Lies, Hannity is a Lair...etc etc etc".
    Who gives a rats a** what his politics are and who he works for, he has valid points and due to his celebrity will get noticed.
     
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    "It is difficult to justify corralling all players within their regions – and then only allowing the very best players in the nation the opportunity to compete against out-of-region opponents. Reducing out-of-region playing opportunities by at least 75 percent makes no sense from a developmental standpoint, to say nothing of how it will affect the players motivationally. All players should have the chance to be exposed to as many different opponents as possible within a framework that meets their personal schedule, and not be limited to the very rigid July-August time frame."



    I have two huge problems with these changes. The first is reducing the amount of matches by limiting the level 3s. If a player is used to playing 10 of those tournamnets averaging 6 matches with singles and doubles at each event, he will play 60 matches vs 24 at the new regionals. Next, players are going to play the same players at all of their tournaments except the L1 and L2s-which they won't qualify for anyway. The system wasn't broken. If players were skipping some designateds because they had strong national rankings, then change the rules sectionally. Having a national mandate like this is changing a system that is actually working. These changes do take 10 years to fully realize the affects, and the old system is just starting to show positive professional results.
     
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    Could someone help me out with this? I grew up in SoCal in the 80's and early 90's and I really haven't followed junior tennis since. But, in saying that, I now have a kid that is about to begin playing tournaments.

    From the article:

    1) I don't know what Level 1, Level 1A, and Level 2 are
    2) 512 opportunities to play outside their region sounds like a lot. When I grew up (maybe it was because of SoCal), we mainly played local tourneys then advanced if you did well in sectionals.
    3) He says now there are 2300+ opportunities...what does he mean? 2300 tournaments?

    more:

    I'm pretty sure that was the case when I grew up, did they change that? I was a September birthday, so I somewhat remember being lucky.

    This is how I remember it when I was young. It seems like the USTA is turning back the clock? No?

    I totally disagree with this part. a) Strong Players will always travel. b) All players, good or great, likely will end up playing the same people anyways (look at the pro's, they play the same people monthly). c) lower ranked players shouldn't really be playing national events. I really don't see any benefit there. It might actually HELP them to keep their confidence up.
     
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    Along with Cloony ,Mikey Moore and the guy in the White House , Eric Holder ,these guys must make you sick also ??

    Could you point out one of his lies then get back on topic ?????
     
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    I don't think Hannity feels the financial pinch that many of the tennis families feel. It's difficult for me to listen to him address this particular subject. If entry fees were 5K he still wouldn't feel it.

    Turn the clock back and look at how many national tournaments there used to be per year. Flying families all over the country is an expensive game to play and it puts pressure on many families because they feel they have to play the national tournament game.
     
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    Don't feed the trolls. How about we just go directly to the back on topic part.

    P.S. I think it would be good if Charlie Sheen chimed in on the issue. I was wounding how he felt about the schedule changes...
     
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    I know Sean Hannity is divisive--and he certainly doesn't speak for all of us when it comes to politics--but he definitely speaks for EVERY SINGLE PLAYER, PARENT, COACH, DIRECTOR that we've spoken to regarding these changes. Whether it makes any difference or just generates a lot of hateful noise...that's the question. Disclaimer: we feel these changes will be bad for junior tennis - and we know they'll be bad for HIGH-TECH TENNIS. Please don't turn this into a political bashing, o.k.
     
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    Can you elaborate on why it would be bad forHigh Tech Tennis?

    I'm just curious as I actually would think it could benefit a company like yours.
     
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    I do not think these changes are
    bad for everybody. I believe we need more people playing more tennis closer to home.
     
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    I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say that was their honest intention. But the way the regions are set up, its not clear that will be how it will turn out in reality. The new system really forces kids who want to play at the national level to succeed at the regional level first, but some of the regional tournaments will be farther away from where they live then the where the national tournaments were.

    For practical purposes, the only way to play at the national level now will be to do well at the regional level tournaments. So, if the regional is in Denver, everyone from CA has to go to Denver, and visca-versa. Before they could probably qualify for national tournaments without having to leave southern CA.

    Don't even get me started on how this screws us in Hawaii....
     
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    I agree.

    I think it is ridiculous that Texas and the Northern section are in the same region. I don't live in either section but I don't see how this is going to reduce costs.

    I would guess that 95% of players in Texas have never played indoors. How well do you think players in the Northern Section are going to play in the winds in Texas after playing indoors for 6 months? Remember this was done to reduce costs and time away from school. A player gets on a plane right after school on Friday, shows up Friday night and is supposed to play in the wind the next day.

    The only two Regions that make sense are Regions 3 and 4. They should have thought it out a little more and came up with 5 or 6 or they could have gone to 2, the east and west and divided down the middle by the Mississippi River. The problem with that is they would have had to change how some sections are divided up.

    http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/USTA Structure - Extended Version v2 20120330.pdf

    Region 1
    Hawaii Pacific
    Intermountain
    No. California
    Pacific Northwest
    So. California
    Southwest

    Region 2
    *******
    Missouri Valley
    Northern
    Texas

    Region 3
    Eastern
    Mid-Atlantic
    Middle States
    New England

    Region 4
    Caribbean
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  28. TenAll

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    Completely agree with everything written by Sean Hannity. USTA keeps making decisions such at this and 10 under without having all the facts and inputs from the Kids and parents that are effected by all this.

    Hope its not to late to stop this debacle. Its seems every section except the South have become yes men to Patrick and USTA national.

    Why would Southwest section vote yes, when they end up losing Winter National with this system.

    :confused:
     
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  29. chalkflewup

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    More national tournaments and larger draws is not necessarily the answer.
     
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  30. Alohajrtennis

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    I don't think anybody is proposing more national tournaments with larger draws. Reasonable, well considered, incremental modifications to the schedule would certainly make sense. What they are against are drastic reductions.

    The new schedule is full of wholesales changes that just don't appear to be well thought out. Like I said, I am willing to give them the benefit the doubt and not question there motives. But the schedule they have proposed is not even consistent with there own objectives, and introduces a whole slew of new problems that I think are unintended consequences of making wholesale changes like this without proper vetting.

    For instance, it could actually increase travel for some people, forcing travel to far flung supposedly "regional" locations; it reintroduces the birthday problem, it prevents people from northern climates playing in warm climates in cold months, etc. Its just not well thought out.

    Now, this is probably works out pretty well if your in Florida, becuase the southern region is the only region that geographically makes any sense, and they will probably schedule all the regionals in Boca and Atlanta, so you are only a car trip away from where you need to be now. For other people, well, not so much.
     
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    Normally I agree with you, I think he is a terrible force in society politically. That said, If someone who can get people to listen speaks out rightly in a way that can affect positive change in the USTA, what's the problem? He's not objectively evil...
     
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    Points well taken. I do sympathize for some of the other sections. And because I'm in Florida, it's unfair for me to voice my opinion because of the playing opportunities that do exist.
     
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    Curios...What sectional does Hannity's boys play? Can't find anything on tennisrecruiting.net.
     
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    Feb 2012: Patrick, 10. Merri Kelly, 7
     
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    Hmmm? You do know where I'm going with this. I mean, I really appreciate the fact that he can be a voice for parents like us whose kids strive for National rankings, but his kids are still young and not a whole lot of experience based on their age. Just curious why he chose to take this as an issue?
     
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    It's true Hannity is rich now, but anyone who listens to his show knows that he came up from very humble beginnings. He waited on tables and did construction work for minimum wage early in his adult life. He remembers those experiences very well and often brings them up in his shows. He knows what it's like to struggle and work hard, and he can definitely identify with those who aren't so fortunate.

    Thanks for giving him his just due for what he is doing.

    As for Hannity being a terrible force, I'll say this. While liberal talk shows hosts like Ed Shultz and Chris Matthews (his polar opposites) have openly said Hannity should be off the air, Hannity does not say the same of his opponents. Yes, he criticizes them heavily, but he believes in free speech and is a man of principle. So even though he berates liberals passionately, he never says they should be suppressed, and he points that out during his shows.

    We all know about societies who suppress free speech, and I assume that none of us want to live in those places. Our country is better off because of people who point out what's wrong and engage in constructive dialog.
     
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    Good point. It's very odd to be so worked up out this with kids that age...
     
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    He really has nothing to gain from it. He even said his kids will probably never be pros. He just happens to be passionate about it. When you consider how hectic his schedule is, it's amazing that he would have anything left to fit this in.
     
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    If the name of one kid Chalk noted was his, she did played in a few regionals across the country (as shown on TRN). Definitely trying to get to super nationals.
     
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    As for the USTA tennis issue, which is what the real topic here is, I don't see a problem with the changes.
     
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    I know your above remark may not be popular here, but it hit the bullseye.
     
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    Duplicate post
     
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    I'll take you for your word on that. Is that what you are trying to do here ?:-?

    The problem with this statement is two-fold.

    First is the contention that they will not be running all over the country. As has already been discussed, the way the regions are set up, they are not local, people are still going to be running all over the country, except to different places. In fact the way the Opens used to be evenly distributed through the country, the traveling may actually increase. For instance, there were lots of cases where there might have been an Open in the next state over, an hour across the border, and even if that state was in a different section, you could sign up for it. Basically, people were trusted to be smart enough to figure out what was closet, now, a bunch of higher ups are telling people in Seattle that they should play at a local event in New Mexico. Or telling people in Texas they should save money on travel by not playing in Louisiana, they need to play in Chicago instead.

    For the second point, even if I were to concede that the best player will make it through, which I don't, there is a major, philosophical disagreement. It's genuine disagreement of the purpose of Junior Tennis at a national level. National junior tournaments don't (or shouldn't) exist solely to identify the next great American hope.

    The schedule changes reek of elitism, basically trying to weed out the riff-raff out of the national tournaments. Should should be limited only to the very best, a tiny elite, that have the potential to be professionals, or should it be open to a more broader sate of players, as it is now ? The fact is, with the ten and under tennis program increasing the number of kids coming into the game, and general population growth, just keeping the number of national tournament spots the same would already in affect be making these already limited spots harder to come by.

    Now before you say it, no, they shouldn't be open to everyone, you need to earn your way in. But that's the way it works now. The system was not broken, parents and player were not clamoring for changes, the current changes are a fix to a problem that didn't exist. It seems the only ones who have a problem with the system was the PD group and the upper echelon of USTA who are obsessed with lack of current American champions on tour so now hey have hijacked the national junior tennis program to suit here needs, no the needs or desires of kids. And they try to sell this plan to to those who no longer qualify by telling them "We are helping you, we are trying to save you money on travel. You can play a local regional event". Turns out that regional event could be 1,500 miles way in some regions.
     
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    yea, I see where you are going with this....on a fishing expedition into his motives. Why not just address the substance of his comments instead of trying to discredit and attack his motivations ?

    It's more than likely that anyone who has any interest in this issue (the 2014 Junior Tournament Schedule) has some skin in this game. For instance, I don't bowl and my kids don't bowl, so therefore I don't have any interest in the negotiations for 2016-2020 professional bowling association TV contract. Mk kids play tennis so I am interested in this.


    Given his kids age, their development, I can imagine he was probably starting to plan ahead, set some goals for his kids, etc, and realized that just around the time his oldest could be ready to play at the Winternationals....they were going to cancel the Winternationals. I had a similar WTF moment. Also, as the parent of a child with an end of June birthday, and reading Hannity's post, I suspect his kids are spring babies as well. This is something that smacked me in the face when I read the schedule that the USTA doesn't even mention when they sell the brilliance of the new schedule.

    These changes are not going into affect for another year and half, so the kids who are 14+ or so and already playing national tournaments these changes will have little affect. The biggest affect is on today 10, 11 and 12 year olds.
     
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    I think it is ridiculous that Texas and the Northern section are in the same region. I don't live in either section but I don't see how this is going to reduce costs and time away from school.

    I would guess that 95% of players in Texas have never played indoors. How well do you think players in the Northern Section are going to play in the winds in Texas after playing indoors for 6 months?

    The same goes for people who have to travel from Seattle to Phoenix.

    The only two Regions that make sense are Regions 3 and 4. They should have thought it out a little more or they could have gone to 2, the east and west and divided down the middle by the Mississippi River. The problem with that is they would have had to change how some sections are divided up.

    http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/USTA Structure - Extended Version v2 20120330.pdf

    Region 1
    Hawaii Pacific
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    No. California
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    Texas

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    There's no doubt and no doubt that Seanny has been bitten by the tennis drug - which is not criminal. He says he's amused by insane tennis parents... Man I wish he lived in Florida. Methinks he'd be an entertaining tennis parent to watch.
     
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    Nobody has to travel. People choose to play in national events. I wish we had four majors a year and that was it - that would put an end to all this madness. I know - it will never happen.
     
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    His second home is in southwest FL. I think it's in Naples.
     
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    They couldn't play Designated and Sectionals and that's where he'd get to see all the insane tennis parents like me in action. Speaking of which, at our state closed tournament a few weeks ago, I had an official alert me to the fence rule. I actually had my back to the court and was looking at a court about 20 feet away. I apologized and moved off the fence.
     
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    Aloha, I think you missed my point. I'm sure Sean is looking ahead and for the interest of his kids. But my thing is, why get wrapped up if his kids are 7 and 10 years of age. The 7 year old might still be playing TAUT?...I don't know. As to the issue, as stated by others here, that if your kid is good, then it won't impact them. I know back in the day when my kid played L3 Sectionals, it amused me to see how the majority of the kids would not get passed the second round, as if, like the slaughtering of the lambs, with lopsided scores against the seeded players. Some went further in the rounds, but very very few. I don't know if the experience was a good thing, at least it gave them exposure to how higher level kids played. If you want good competition, why not play up, of if you want to travel, then look for good tournaments in tough sectionals like SoCal or Florida where 3 star (TRN) and up kids are a dime a dozen. And if they lose, heck go to Disneland/Disneyworld afterwords:oops:.
     
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