Discussion in 'Junior League & Tournament Talk' started by HIGH-TECH TENNIS, Jun 26, 2012.
Ha! They wouldn't let me be in charge I'm sure.
Sorry, I didn't write it clearly.
The bubble is a reference up North that means the kids are playing in the bubble, indoors.
From mid Sept to end of May, courts are covered with a bubble.
They put it up and they take it down.
If is left on for so long because it guarantees a club that there courts will never be rained out...
Now. occasionally, the snow can bring down a bubble, but there up for almost 9 months a year.
So, your a kid from the North has two big opportunities to play outdoors and get use to the sun in your eyes and the wind and currently they
are the Winter Nationals and Easter Bowl. Those two Super Nats are a huge help for the summer.
Come 2014, and it is gone.
So, it is a HUGE disadvantage for the kids from the cold weather States that they took away those two tournaments.
Thanks for the clarification... I misunderstood as I have heard people speak of the bubble in terms of where a kids birthday falls which can exclude a kid from playing in a national.
which explains why you brought your political views into this thread. :roll:
[/quote]I'm just the guy that expects people to take responsibility for themselves and not blame someone else. The guy who doesn't like whiners, etc. [/quote]
Interesting considering your previous sentence.
The opposite of you. I take responsibility and don't blame the man.
The USTA would do itself a service by listening to the folks that keep them in business (like many of the parents on this board, and parents like Hannity).
Just as expected, can't stand being proven wrong so you re-direct your stupid rhetoric elswehere.
I think Juniors in the smaller sections are the most disadvantaged due the fact that they have to play the same few kids over and over again.
Of course, juniors in the large section, face the obstacle of never leaving their area too as there are too many good kids bottlenecked up top.
Most people I have spoken to think it is not the riff raff ,
but the fear that a NON PD player who beats the PD player,
and embarrasses the higher ups at the USTA ( think large salaries they don't want to lose).
BTW, our complaining did something back in the spring when they voted on this.
Original plans were for a GOLD BALL Super Nats Winter National with just a few hand picked kids, who when they lost, didn't go home, but stayed on and got coached... Now, they still have something like that, but there is no Gold Ball anymore for that event.
What is up with you, why so hostile all the time. Where exactly has anyone blame someonelse for there child's lack of success ? You just make **** up.
This discussion is about the merits of the 2014 schedule change. Your contribution consists mostly of 1. Sean Hannity is Beelzebub. 2. American tennis will suck until we get better athletes and 3. Shut up you whiney, insane tennis parent and 4. People need to take more responsibility
Also, This discussion has nothing to with TAUT, accept that it's nuts that now that the USTA seems to be doing a better job at getting more kids interested in the sport, and hopefully more athletic kids as well, they are then reducing the playing opportunities for them as they get older.
You can believe the new TUAT is bad and the new schedule good, and visca-versa, that's not what we are talking about here.
So, how exactly is the new schedule better for american junior tennis ? Or do you just support it because Hannity and whiney, insane tennis parents oppose it ?
Really? If this is the general consensus amongst tennis parents, we've got a lot of parents that are just making stuff up. Do parents really think USTA coaches feel their job is at stake if one of their kids loses to a non-PD kid? Not s chance in Hades. What a myopic perspective! Would you fire a coach if your kid lost to some kid that was being coached by his dad who never played tennis?
Junior parents tend to focus on rankings and wins. Teaching professionals tend to focus on player development and competing. The wins will come in time and often require losing (and losing).
It's okay that some of us don't agree, we are just sharing opinions here and only time will tell if the USTA plan will destroy American junior tennis as some seem to think.
Since you haven't noticed, it already has destroyed junior tennis as evidenced by the fact they have yet to develop anyone who is succeeding at the very top of the sport. What they are currently doing will make it worse.
You got that right! We have the greatest athletes in the world, and we can't produce a top tennis player?! The attraction of money and individual fame is there, and it's a non-contact sport that won't destroy your body like other sports. The USTA is obviously missing something.
What are they specifically doing? And how will it make it worse? Who was the last US junior to win a national and make it to the top of the sport?
You have a pretty good point that they have never developed a champion single handedly. Im just not sure its their job to do that. Players develop with influences and support from different sources/resources. Players don't usually seem to develop best in a vacuum. I just don't see how anyone could expect the USTA to be anything other than a catalyst and enabler. And at least they have the courage to shake things up from time to time and try something new. Pushing the talent down hill, treating junior national championships more like a grand slam opportunity in America and this 10u tennis seem to be interesting strategies. Plan A,B,C and D haven't worked. Time to move forward.
The USTA won't "produce" a champion. Never has. Not their job. IMO, they need to grow tennis and set the right conditions for top prospects to take their game to the next level. Are they doing that? Up for debate, I guess. Time will tell.
As for attracting top athletes, that's a tough one. The odds that a top athlete can make a living, much less fame and riches, is so slim, it's actually a deterrent. If you're a top athletic kid, tennis is boring - endless training, no one watches matches, costs tons of money, etc. Add to that the odds of making money in another sport - football, basketball, baseball, while still small, are infinitely much better than tennis. These are hard facts that the sport is up against. A love for the game, not a calculation on money and fame, will make a tennis champion.
The underlined is part of their biggest problem. Thru their actions, they are making it their job and taking kids away from coaches who are in the process of developing them. The other thing they do, since they don't know how to develop kids is to give money to kids from other countries and claim they developed them, which is BS. For example, Andrea Collarini who was developed by coaches in Argentina.
What they should do, if they really wan't to promote the game and help american players is to put money into local coaches who are already working with these talents, but run out of money.
They also need to make it easier for parents and youth to be able to compete with one another, not harder with their stupid decisions regarding tournaments (local, district, state, national, etc). Fatc is, they really don't give a crap about juniors or the quality of services they are getting. They care about the money being pumped by parents, and since they have a monopoly, the parents have no voice by discontinuing paying.
The USTA is trying to develop kids that have already chosen tennis-not the best athletic pool. They need to take their valuable sponsorship money and put it into underpriveledged kids in poor areas that have obnoxious athletic ability with strong intellect. The future of all sports is amazing athleticism. Without it you will not be able to compete at the highest levels. The top 6 ATP men right now are all top world-class athletes that could have made it in many sports. Soon it will be the norm.
In an ideal world, yes. But top athletic kids have tons of better options that are cheaper to compete and develop, more fun to learn and play, and have better chances for making money as pro. Not trying to be a downer here, but it's true. What's the answer? Don't know that there is one, but the tennis popularity boom of the 70's/80's was followed by some great American Champions. Coincidence? It stand to reason that more tennis playing adults (parents), means more tennis playing kids.
Is it lack of love for the game, or is it lack of exposure or opportunity? Just think about the greatest athletes in the NBA, NFL, and MLB. A bunch of them are egomaniacs who would really want it to be all about them and not so much about the team. Maybe they would have liked an individual sport at which they excelled, and maybe they would have liked the feeling of a one-on-one competition and humiliating the guy across the net. There's a lot to like about the sport.
Absolutely. I agree. But what I'm talking about is that the opportunity will never be equal to that of other sports. With basketball, for example, really athletic kids with no money can develop their game for next to nothing from an early age with lot's of built-in top competition and tons of idols to look up to, be popular and be a star through high school, get world class coaching/training in college, get drafted, be the 12th man on the roster and get paid the league minimum (about $500k) with all expenses paid. And that's the bottom. That's an opportunity that will never come to pass in tennis. Our sport has to go about it a different way.
Are the current top 6 all "underprivileged kids from poor areas?"
America has outsourced just about everything. You cannot make an iphone or computer in the USA anymore because most of the parts are made overseas.
IMHO, it's more efficient and effective to send kids overseas to develop them.
The USTA is wasting money trying to develop players. Despite the lack of American players, ticket sales and attendance at the US Open are at an all time high. I would rather see the USTA put the millions it generates at the US Open into funding and operating charter schools throughout the country like the Agassi Academy. The USTA is in a unique posiiton to do something good with its millions. Instead is throws the money away on a fool's errand.
It takes all kinds. Was Steve Nash poor and underprivileged? What about Grant Hill?
Keep in mind, the USTA didn't send Andreas overseas to train. No. He was already in Argentina being developed by coaches and academies there.
What the USTA did was worse. They "BOUGHT" Andreas once he was developed by offering him scholarships, money, etc. They then decided to say that they developed him, and/or are developing him, which isn't true. He still has a private coach,,,, being paid for by the USTA.
So why not do this with American kids who are being developed in America in private academies that are struggling financially?
Someone should tell this to Sean Hannity.....oh, wait.....
Great, the conversation was going so well.
Privates give away scholarships to American kids today. And are those American kids that come out of the privates ripping up the ATP right now?
And is the USTA to fund that initiative along with all the charter schools that 32yearcoach wants the USTA to erect all over the country?
Ideas are cheap...execution is expensive.
I don't care what the USTA does with its junior tournament structure, the size of the draws, the amount of tournaments etc. The game will grow and thrive and the juniors who love the sport will find their way. I think the USTA is throwing away millions on 1) its bloated coroporate structure and 2) junior development. I don't understand spending millions a year so 1 or 2 Americans hold up a trophy. The USTA is in a unique position in that it owns an event, the US Open, that generates a net profit in the tens of millions. I for one would like to see that money spent for worthwhile causes for the common good, not necessarily tennis related. Education is my cause- they don't have to own and operate they can just invest. I'm sure the Agassi Foundation would appreciate a grant allowing it to open additional schools. There are many other worthwhile causes where the money could go.
Sure why not. Let's start a list of all the places to funnel the money...
War on Obesity
Do you have Zero ideas on how the USTA could spend the money constructively? Are you such a USTA suck-up that you cannot even see the point of people criticizing the spending of $500,000,000 on a stadium renovation when the stadium seems just fine to everyone else in the world? Is that really the best use of the money?
I understand that you think people make unfair criticisms of the USTA, but you have become the opposite to an extreme degree.
A suck-up? This place has become a haven for Wayne Bryan suck-ups and I'm definitely not in that club. If that makes me a suck-up because I don't play along, sobeit.
The mantra for this board has become... When in doubt, blame the USTA. After a while, it gets old. If people choose to spend their time looking for faults with the USTA, they'll find faults. I figured this tennis thing out a long time ago and you don't have to be so USTA dependent.
Anyway, have fun with the topic as it's in my rear view mirror now.
How about increasing purses at challenges and futures so players can actually breakeven at these events ? Every other major sport subsidizes its "minor" leagues much more than tennis. Or how about offering 20K-40K annual travel stipends/sponsorships to challenger/future players ? Make it so that kids who don't have rich parents can compete on these tours too.
Instead of reinventing the infrastructure, why not just give the kids scholarships to private tennis academies. I am sure they private academies would compete to get these kids.
Subsidize the cost of national tournaments more.
The only thing I am blaming the USTA for is changing the tournaments schedule becuase, you know, the USTA changed the tournament schedule. Should I blame Wayne Bryan for the USTA changing the USTA tournament schedule ?
It's OK to laugh and joke about it or not care or be sick of those attacking the USTA. One thing for sure- they are taking in 200 million dollars. 50 million is going to salaries and 50 million is going to support 16 sectional offices. That's a lot of dough. I don't think the money is well spent. You do or don't care. Certainly you are entitled to your opinion. However, 100 million spend rate annually is a lot of money and should be spent thoughtfully and carefully.
Summary: You have no answers to the legitimate points made, and the legitimate criticisms of the way the USTA spends money.
Well, the USTA is not a charity or a group that reports to shareholders. They are able to spend their money any way they see fit. It is probably idealistic to think that they aren't going to function like a typical bloated corporation.
Not that I like it.
That's your interpretation and that's cool...I just have a different philosophy. It may be fun to broad brush the financials from 50,000 feet as it will play out well on this forum, however; I don't believe it to be sound strategy to bring about change. Anyway, good luck with it.
Very little. Privates are struggling to stay in business with the way the economy is.
No, but neither are the kids the USTA is "developing". (cough), nor has any of their programs helped in developing kids to rip up the ATP.
Fact is, by making this statement, you are proving my point. Thanks.
Yes, they are suppose to fund the initiative, or are they feeding us doo-doo when they say their mission is to "Promote and Develop the growth of tennis"?
Here you are correct. The USTA's ideas are cheap, and the execution is expensive as evidenced by the over-inflated salaries of the top employees.
Good luck all!!!!!
That whole business about "promoting and developing the growth of tennis"?
Seems like the biggest joke of all, if you ask me.
drak, no one can make others points look so weak like you can. I agree with pretty much everything you have said in here and the ones who try to debate you really come out looking like they got in the ring with Tyson.
The problem I have with what you are saying is that your correct !
Also we have a system that merits rewards to those who surrender to the USTA and it has hurt some of our top talent (look at tenniscp list of players), although I beleive in throwing a few bones here and there we should always look to earn our keep.
Looking at the draws for the boys 12's in the regional segments around the country almost none of the draws filled up. At one of the sites there are only 16 players for a 64 draw. Not sure what conclusion to draw but i thought it was interesting. Certainly if i was the USTA i might be nervous seeing this alongside the dramatic drop off in tournament participation in 10U events ( at least in California)
Economy is slowing down..... again.....
And people are hanging onto their money by cutting expenses where they feel it is not important.
PMac responds to Hannity:
Wow. A 17 page response to Hannity by Timothy Russell, the chair of the USTA’s National Junior Competition Committee:
I seem to remember that in maybe 2011 or 2010 there were roughly 10,000 kids playing in 10u tournaments across the USA. They averaged playing only four tournaments for the year and 40% of them played up in the 12's.
10 and under tennis is exploding in my area. Will be interesting to see how numbers improve over the next few years with the TAUT program. We need more kids trying tennis and falling in love with the game. And maybe the next Sampras will be among them.
Anyway, thanks USTA fella.
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