SEC Tennis

Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by TopDawg, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. andfor

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    It's the rules and the coaches work around them. If a team is an at-large candidate and misses that bid because they are sub .500, in the SEC the reality the coach would get fired for it. Take the Texas women last year, would have been an at-large entry to the NCAA's, but finished sub .500 and did not make the tourney. What happened to that legitimate coach? Fired!

    Come on folks, who really cares if a team from a tough conference has to play a quadruple header to make the NCAA's. Ole Miss did it this year with Jackson State. I'd argue Jackson State won the SWAC and is in the NCAA's because they they took advantage of the opportunities, got tougher and ensured winning their conference tourney.
     
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  2. CincyIllinifan

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    I don't have a problem scheduling a few easy preseason matches, but this just makes a mockery of the sport. These aren't even full, best of seven matches. If a coach has to schedule something like this to even come close to .500, then they don't deserve to be in the NCAA tourney.

    What does a team like Jackson St get out of this? Does Alabama or Ole Miss pay them?

    I sincerely hope the NCAA closes this loophole.
     
  3. andfor

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    Bama and Ole Miss may well pay their expenses for the day.

    The coaches make the rules for college tennis, not the NCAA. Yell at the coach during their annual convention. They made the rule 3 or so years ago and still have not changed it. Want to bet me if they do change it they will do away with it altogether? Then we'll be back to 5-12 type records making the NCAA and more moaning and whining. Get over it or go to the coaches convention and make a stink about it.
     
  4. SECFAN

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    Schools usually pay them some time of money. And yes they are best of seven matches. Ole Miss played Alcorn State twice and Arkansas-Pine Bluff twice. The first match of each was doubles and singles and then the second match they started with singles.
     
  5. PJ Lynn

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    The coaches and the ITA don't make the .500 rule...that is an NCAA directive. Do coaches have some input? Yeah, kinda...but coaches make up less than 15% of the NCAA D-I Tennis Committee (only 3 of the 23 members at last year's meeting were sitting D-I coaches at the time.)

    http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2015DIMWTE_Annual_Meeting_Report_082415.pdf
     
  6. andfor

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    If I'm wrong I'll stand corrected. But I have to believe the non-coaching committee members take their directives from their schools tennis coaches.

    In last years 2015 meeting they voted that the following on the rule. The committee noted that the .500 or above criterion will remain in place for future championships.

    Point is, why should schools that play multiple matches to meet the criterion to ensure post season eligibility get any flack? Somewhat to your point, many of the coaches using the multi-match loophole to get to or above .500 were not even around when the rule was first implemented.
     
  7. Clemson_tennis

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    The "wins" aren't even wins though. I mean in some cases the teams don't even field full teams. Tennessee beat Murray State a few times without them even fielding 6 players. The real issue is how the ITA rankings work. They do not penalize nearly enough for losses and it allows teams that are 7-12 to still be top 40 in the nation when they would be nowhere close to that in any other college sport.
     
  8. andfor

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    I get your point, but a college tennis dual is so much different than other sports. True upsets are rare, and maybe that has something to do with the losses not counting so much against a team as do ranked wins count for them.
     
  9. CincyIllinifan

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    Get over it, or complain at the coaches convention? Who are you? I'm just making a comment on a message board. Take it easy Francis. IMO, it's pathetic that some coaches feel the need to pursue such a practice. As far as I'm concerned, it would be like an NCAA basketball team scheduling multiple, shortened, 3 on 3 games on the same day with an inferior opponent just to inflate their record. They would, and should, be laughed at.

    If you don't think this is a ridiculous, unethical practice, then there's no discussing it with you.
     
  10. andfor

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    And I'm telling you the rules drive the behavior and the rules allow for it.

    If late in the season you were coaching a team that was 7-10, 5th in your conference, ranked around #25 in the country and knew you needed to be above .500 to make the tourney, are you telling me you would forego ensuring you qualified for an at-large bid? Likely jeopardize your job? You think your players would be OK with you knowing they could be at the NCAA's but are sitting at home because you refused to work with the system? No. As a matter of fact, most players would question your understanding of ethics vs. common sense and likely not play for you. But you could look your self in the mirror. Players, staff, administration, school, fans, boosters, family, families of those who work for you and parents be damned.

    Comparing NCAA baskeball to tennis. What's next comparing Forrest Gump to Einstein?

    The rule is ridiculous, unethical practice, far from it. Working around it is smart coaching. Not working around it is dumb. Ask the Texas Women's coach from last year who has since been replaced.
     
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    LSU beats Rice. Minor upset and it came down to 3rd set TB for a 4-3 win.
     
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