Secrets of the Dunlop Max 200G

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  1. Virginia

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    This all came about because last night I went through my stash of 10 200G's to evaluate them, as far as condition, size of handle, weight etc. was concerned.

    I discovered I had four Pro's (McEnroe version), 2 original black non Pro's and three later green versions. Plus the one I'd painted, which from memory, was also a Pro.

    The black Pro's bear the inscription Graphite Injection, the green ones Graphil Injection and the ordinary 200G's Dunlop Graphite.

    Seeing no mention of "injection" on the last pair, I got to wondering whether in fact these were inferior (non injection) models, but was reassured by the fact that the patent number (4297308 ) was all also inscribed on them, the same as the others.

    I looked up the patent and got far more information than I thought possible.

    Here's an extract from it:

    Of course there's lots more, but I've just posted the above to whet your collective appetites!
     
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  2. Rorsach

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    Believe it or not, i was just thinking of asking about all the different versions of the MAX200G, paintjobs and all. I think i've had about 5 different versions up to now, but there are a couple more.

    Can anyone post some pics of them all?
     
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    Here are sections cut from the Max 200G to show the internal pillars that you can only have with a Injection Molded Frame.
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    A real piece of art how Dunlop manufactured these racquets. Here is a layman's explanation of the Injection Molded Process works. First there is a casting of a low melting point alloy core. The alloy core is then put in the injection molding machine. A Compound of GRAPHITE and NYLON is Melted and then injected around the alloy core. Once the graphite and Nylon is cooled the Alloy core is heated up so it melts and then poured out of the frame. This leaves individual string holes that have pillars inside the frame. There are no holes drilled in these injection molded frames by Dunlop.
     
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    As long as nobody starts a 300i thread, and I have to drool over your prototype again (which you are bound to post a photo of) then I'll be happy:):)
     
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  5. Virginia

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    I thought we might hear from you jimbo! This is a technical thread, so no drooling type photos allowed!

    No, cancel that, we are all going to post pics of the different versions we have, so there will be plenty of drooling I'm sure. I'm hoping to post mine later today. :)
     
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    first generation had "max" in block letters, then it said "pro" after "max 200g" then came the wavy letters, then the wavy letters with "pro" afterward....
     
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    This lack of being able to post photos on here is really getting to me:( But am not going to give up, a mate is going to have a look at my computer over the weekend, and get it sorted:)

    In the mean time will list what I know about the 200G later this evening:)
     
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    I remember the 200-G used to have a "hang-tag) that stated it was in a museum in England as a marvel of modern racket contstruction, the 200-G that had the black grip with "Dunlop" all around the handle were the best ones I thought, before they went to fairway.
     
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    What I heard or read, was that the "Pro" name was only given to racquets in a batch that met certain manufacturing standards. Whether that's true or not I don't know.

    But it does seem, from what people have posted so far, that there were several iterations of this racquet, showing as slightly different graphics. The person who sold me my first green version said that Dunlop had decided that they were sick of producing the black version (probably because they were fed up with complaints that the graphics were too prone to fade!!), but that the mold and manufacturing process never changed.
     
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    Right then here we go:) I don't claim to be an expert, so this will need correcting, but this is all I know, and some of it is probably wrong!!!

    I think there are 6 main different versions, but it depends what you call "main", as there are lots of little differences. The main different versions of the MAX200G are:-

    1. 1982 - Black Racquet, Green/Gold Chevrons - 2 green stripes (3 different molds, first had tapered beam narrowest at head with round string holes. Second had constant beam with round string holes and third had constant beam with squarish holes (this mold continues until 92 basically unchanged). And I think the 2 round string hole versions were only made in 1982.
    2. 1986 - Black Racquet, Green/Gold Chevrons - green/gold stripes - Block letters, and "Graphite Injection" These have John McEnroes signature on side of frame and there is a different version celebrating his win in 1984 Wimbledon/US Open written on side of frame, possibly a US only import frame? (I want one of these so if anyone has one please contact me through my profile)
    3. 1988 - Black Racquet, Green/Gold Chevrons - green/gold stripes - Curly letters, and "Grafil Injection" also another version of this was - Green Racquet, Red/White chevrons - red/white stripes, and I've heard other colours were done at this time also? (If anyone has any other colours, please sell me one as I collect them, eerrr obviously I suppose!!!)
    4. 1989 - Golden Grand Slam - Numbered Edition
    5. 1990 - Gloss Black Racquet, Gold/Turquoise Chevrons
    6. 1991 - PRO - Purple Racquet with green writing in completly different style to other MAX200G's

    Years could be very slightly wrong (especially versions 5 and 6).

    There were definitely different PRO versions of 2,3 and 5 as well (and probably 1 as well, if anyone has a PRO version with 2 green stripes I'd like one). Version 2 had PRO written on it. Version 3 had PRO written on Black Racquet and PROII on Green Racquet. 5 had PRO written on it. 6 had PROIII written on it (again looking for one of these, please email through my profile). Again there are probably others.

    If I start talking about the grips it's going to get a bit confusing, but the order is Black, Black with little Gold "Dunlop" written around it, then Brown leather "Fairway" and then Black Leather again, then Green leather, and then soft disintegrating grips which have all basically yes disintegrated if not wrapped!! Again I could well be wrong:)

    As for the covers/bags, there's lots of different ones:)

    Feel free to tell me I'm wrong (am sure the knowledgable Vsbabolat will for starters), as I quite possibly am; but look I am trying!!!
     
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    Great article and read, thanks for finding it Virginia!

    I'm currently studying materials science and engineering in college, so this stuff is directly applicable to what I'm learning and its very interesting. The 200 was an inventive genius!
     
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    And I actually prefer the 300i to play with normally, and there is a prototype version of this that I would really.........
     
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  13. Virginia

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    Here are my three versions:

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    Jimbo, can you identify them for me?
     
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  14. Virginia

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    Actually I think I've worked it out, as follows;

    1982 Version - round holes - these are in excellent condition as regards the graphics

    1986 Version - Pro - graphics are fading a bit, but otherwise very good

    1988 Version - green version - almost mint condition

    Interesting that my two original 1982 version graphics are in better shape than the four 1986 ones. Could be that just that they weren't used much.
     
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  15. jimbo333

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    Hi Virginia,

    Yep from what I can see, I would agree:)

    And the 82 version you have looks great!! Have never seen a light brown/tan grip on one of these, does that look like the original grip?
     
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  16. Virginia

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    Yes, all four of the Pro's have the same tan Dunlop grip - beautifully shiny leather actually, which has darked a little, but really not worn much at all.

    Perhaps the batches they sent out to Australia and New Zealand were a little different from the ones sold back in England?
     
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    Great info.....

    The VERY first version did have a tapered hoop. It was around 2mm narrower at the tip than the rest of the frame.

    ALSO.... you can distinguish the age of the racquet by the writing on the side of the throat.

    The 1st gen says something like "Graphite" and not much more.
    The 2nd gen says "UK patent pending".
    The 3rd gen says "US Patent # and UK Patent #".
    I believe the McEnroe signature series came after that.

    Here are some photos of the Pro II (black/green pj) and Pro III (Green/purple pj).

    IMO, these are the most beautiful Max200g frames ever produced outside of the special Golden Slam edition.

    BTW, the "sea foam green" version is a pj for Dunlop's DEMO frame.

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  18. Virginia

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    Those are truly magnificent - I'm certainly drooling over those - eh jimbo?
     
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    Wow... they just got fancier and flashier as they aged! :)
     
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    My "green" one:

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    Most of my 200G's have graphics like the one in the middle in the pic that Virginia posted, but the color is the ordinary green/gold/black, instead of gray/blue.
    I've got 4 that are in the process of being "stealthed", i've already designed the graphics which are going to be applied this weekend.

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    I can't wait to see what you do with them, Rorsarch. I just painted mine matt black, and actually I love it like that. It looks very sexy! Black leather grip too! :)
     
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    Where did you get the black leather? I've been looking around to get an order filled with stringing stuff and grips, but nowhere do they have everything.
     
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    Excellent research Virginia !

    The key point to this outstanding mix of technology is the dyanmic properties of the mix. The dampening is much like a solid wood racket and at high swing speeds, the rackets provides more stiffness for controlled power. This manufacturing process was very difficult and expensive and probably why Dunlop never had to worry about a suit to protect this patent. Too bad, sure which some of the new airshells would provide this filling. The manufactures just dont feel many players today can handle the weight of a racket which results and ofcourse cant justify the manufacturing expense. The other issue is these types of rackets last much longer than todays airshells. Not good for replacement profits ;)

    Cheers, Joe
     
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    I agree:) But the only problem with these IMF Racquets is that they do warp. About half of mine have a slight warp, even strung at recommended tensions!!

    It's not a serious warp, and doesn't bother me when playing, but does seem to be permanent:(

    Anyone got any views on this?
     
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    No Virginia, I was talking about the 82 version, does that look like the original grip on those? Have never seen grip like those!!
     
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    Thanks, like I said I'm trying my best here, and still awaiting corrections from someone!!

    Like the photos, if I can't get some photos up soon, going to explode I think:evil:

    The versions you have shown though are just normal later PRO versions. The PROII marked frame was the 88 version (I have a green one of these). And the PROIII is the same as the purple/green version in your photo except it has PROIII marked on it, I'm looking to buy one of these, if anyone wants to sell one?

    I also have the normal non-PRO version of the gloss black with gold/turquoise chevrons, like the version shown above. And I have the extremely rare 200GL PRO version of this racquet, which I've never seen anywhere else!!!
     
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    Ah yes, sorry - because they look older than the others, I keep thinking they are older! It's the four 86 versions that have the beautiful glossy leather grips. Actually, come to think of it, they look glossy because I seem to remember I cleaned them up and applied some leather polish. But they are/were in surprisingly good condition anyway.

    Both of my 82 versions have new Dunlop grips on them (as shown in my photo above) and I don't remember what they had on originally. I think I decided that they deserved the best, so used the last of my Dunlop grips - the tan ones with gold Dunlops printed all over them.
     
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    Well I've been extremely lucky with grips. My stringer has been in the game for more years than he cares to remember and he had a fairly large collection of leather grips. I say "had", because I've depleted them more than somewhat!

    Most people these days seem to want the more tacky grips, so he was happy to keep the leather ones reserved for me. I think there are still a couple of nice tan ones left, but I used up the black ones some time ago. He has some black Slazenger grips as well, but they have rather too many instances of "Slazenger" plastered all over them, so I only use those for Slazenger frames, of which I don't seem to have many.

    I was also very lucky that a friend came into possession (from a shop that was closing down or something) of another collection of beautiful grips, including some Fairways and a few of those wonderful perforated dark brown leather ones they used to use. He was generous enough to give me half of this stash and I have about four left. I'm saving those up for really special frames of course.

    There's really nothing to beat leather, especially for display racquets. I prefer to play with leather too, and can't understand why so many people don't like it.
     
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    leather is great and offers the best feel and bevels, but i guess for the average tennis player who hasn't developed the calluses on their hands, it can be quite painful playing with leather. i sure remember when i was a rookie back in the early 90's and tried playing with leather. i hated it. but as i got better in tennis and developed the calluses on my hand, the pain went away when using leather grips and the enjoyment of great feel sank in.
     
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    Virginia I here you on those fairways ; I have two of the very dark brown tacky ones left and I'm going to be very careful when i pull the trigger on them, I think I am with the wilson K-88 Sampras frame.
     
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    I had these two sticks sitting in my garage for years.
    Actually I have also a Revelation Pro 90.
    I was planning to sell them.
    Do you guys have an idea how much should I ask for them?
    I searched the F/S section but I couldn't figure out. some people are asking $90 some $200?
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    we would need to see the exact wear on the head to determine value. Although I don't think that these play a tenth as good as the 2 stripe they seem to be popular due to their good looks. Whether in gf's or racquets I will take an ugly duckling who performs well over an impressive model who doesn't; any day!!!
    That having been said there is no raqdaq. There is no concrete index of prices for collectible items. People post all of the time asking for estimations. It's all about what an individual will pay...
     
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    Hi everyone,

    Please point me out about "How different between Max pro and Max pro III?" please ..........
     
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    Hi Yuth, if you are talking about the purple/green version shown in photo above? I believe PRO and PROIII are exactly the same racquet, apart from the slightly different paint job:)

    I also agree that the original 2 green stripe version is the best version of this racquet:)
     
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  36. racquetfreak

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    is the color of the two sticks above the purple racket actual or photographic artifact? Should be black and green but artifact coloring looks good.
     
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  37. jimbo333

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    They are actually this colour:)

    This version of the 200G (1990 version) came in at least 3 different versions (it's all very complicated really, and I am not an expert). One version had dark green sides as shown above:):)
     
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    I don't know whether you guys realise it, but when you click on this link for the patent, you need to get inside the little box in the middle right of the screen, that gives its details. I actually saved the PDF file for study later. It has full details of the racquet construction, together with diagrams. Well worth a read.
     
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    these are mine. I was thinking about selling them.
    But I'm still trying to figure out a fair price.
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    ^Nice rackets - what are you expecting to get from these two rackets? You might be able to get $150 each.
     
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    ^^ that was my guess.
     
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  42. gflyer

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    Few more pics.
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    I think that the secret of the 200g is how the injection molding provides a flex relative to the incoming force, capable of frightening power through softness, flexibility, and the transference of force. The experience is similar to the feel, and echo of a racquetball shot, within the racquet itself (deep, eh???)
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    my 150g's and 2 stripe 200g's give me that feel. Sadly, the later versions of the 200g just dont have that feel....that feeling I get on a Sunday morning, looking over the pumpernickel on my bagel, over the cream cheese, over the smoked salmon, past the New York Times, onto the bum bum of my sweet kournikova...mmmm
     
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    sad to say i don't believe that the initial version (dbl green stripe) was IMF - all subsequent versions were. not sure about the 150G
     
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    the original feels like it's made of rubber, only one other racquet on earth has that unique feel and amazing performance: the puma Winner.

    I don't understand why the 150g and 200g were so good and the 300i sucked so bad???
     
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    Yes the intial version double green stipe Max 200G and the Max 150G are Injection Molded Frames!
    Here is your proof!:twisted:

    Here are sections cut from the Max 200G to show the internal pillars that you can only have with a Injection Molded Frame.
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    A real piece of art how Dunlop manufactured these racquets. Here is a layman's explanation of the Injection Molded Process works. First there is a casting of a low melting point alloy core. The alloy core is then put in the injection molding machine. A Compound of GRAPHITE and NYLON is Melted and then injected around the alloy core. Once the graphite and Nylon is cooled the Alloy core is heated up so it melts and then poured out of the frame. This leaves individual string holes that have pillars inside the frame. There are no holes drilled in these injection molded frames by Dunlop.
     
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    Truly the best racquet ever made. The whole process is pure genious. And what wouldn't I give, just to own one of those Max 150G frames! Mmmmmm...
     
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    NOOOOOOOOOO! You butcher... you animal... sooo sad :cry:
     
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    Don't worry man I didn't do it.
     
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