Serena - I guess I finally reached my breaking point

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  1. DRII

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    Who said anything about role model? The subject was intelligence. Jay Z (thanks for the correct spelling, I guess you listen to him more than i do) is smart enough to have made more money than Chadwixx or you!
     
  2. LeftyServe

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    Pot and Kettle moment:

    "I just have no respect for anybody who can't play a professional game and just be really professional out here."

    -Serena (complaining about Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez during last year's French Open)
     
  3. LDVTennis

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    Well said. I concur. Serena's fans are not very bright. They would almost have to be to be a fan of hers. DRII amply demonstrates that.
     
  4. malakas

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    So does a drug dealer,a war lord,a thief....your point?
     
  5. Carsomyr

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    :lol: .. ... .. .
     
  6. AlpineCadet

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    To the OP: it's boiling point, not breaking point.
     
  7. Joseph L. Barrow

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    This would be funny but for the fact that she is evidently stone serious.

    I...I...:shock:

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    So, because Congress, meaning the legislative branch of the Federal government, cannot make laws abridging the freedom of speech (eg. enacting censorship), private organizations are therefore prohibited from placing punishment upon individuals who are effectively their employees and who signed contractual agreements not to engage in a given action, provided that said action involves speech? Let us hope that Serena Williams never decides to branch out from her sporting, fashion, and publishing careers and run for public office.
     
  8. JoelDali

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    I will out-pimp JayZ anyday! Money ain't a thang!

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  9. Datacipher

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    You're right, her comparisons to Mcenroe and Tarango show just how faulty her reasoning is. The comparisons do not apply, on serveral levels.

    Note alos, that in the case of Tarango:
    1.he had already punished himself by volunatarily taking himself out of the draw at Wimbledon by walking out of the match, something he instantly knew was a stupid thing to do, especially for a journeyman player.

    2.He was very regretful and apologetic after the incident (or at least, pretended to be), though he later said he stood by his words. He appeared genuinely remorseful when walking to meet Wimbledon officials the next day, when interviewed by Bud Collins. I am sure, this was taken into consideration as well.
     
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    Yes. This allegation was common early in their careers, and while nobody can PROVE it, it certainly appeared to be the case. If it is, (and nothing the Williams do (negativey)surprises me) then it's beneath contempt. Ultimately, the fans are where every single dime they have has come from. They deserve to see what they paid for, and that, minimally, is for the athletes to show up and compete hard, and in good faith. Not withdraw due to phantom injury because they don't want to play their sister (don't enter the draw then...note: at one point, they were avoiding entering the same draw, which simply shows that indeed, this is not a situation they were comfortable with) OR half-baked matches with questionable effort. j
     
  11. DRII

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    LDV, your just a 'small towner' what would you know...

    first if you have been paying any attention, you would realize Serena is not my favorite player, not even close: Venus is.

    What amazes me, is when any thread about Serena always brings out racist and demeaning (i.e. small town) comments from some on this board.

    Try and pay attention!
     
  12. tangerine

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    Of course not. Because in the end it's you who is the true racist. Not the IW crowd.
     
  13. DRII

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    To compare Jay-Z to a war lord is somewhat ludicrous. My point is: just because you are affiliated with Hip Hop (or other 'black' things according to Chadwixx) does not mean you are necessarily stupid!

    Actually, the lyrics can be quite profound if you pay attention.

    Also Jay-Z has made some very smart business decisions.
     
  14. DRII

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    Right...

    any place named 'Indian' Wells must be a haven of open minded, compassionate people.
     
  15. GOATPARERA

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    Prime Hingis is better than Prime Serena. The only time they were close to their prime at the same time was 2001 and Hingis beat her in Aust Open QuarterFinal! (and beat Venus in the Semi, but admittedly Venus was nowhere near her best in that) :D
     
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    Serena is so out of touch with reality and her letter is ridiculous and poorly written, but it's nice that she's matching the fine with a donation to charity. I respect that, but not the self-centered, arrogant letter.
     
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    !!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't even know what to respond to this.:neutral: It is clear to everyone who's the racist and discriminating in here.
     
  18. malakas

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    of course it is not.BUT you put as your only criterion for respect money,the same money a criminal,a warlord,a priest and a politican can make.Just because someone is rich doesn't mean they deserve respect.

    For the record I dont' respect Jay-Z a lot either.But then again I don't respect any superstar any more than I do any "normal" human either.
     
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    I find it amazing that she still maintains that she didn't foot fault when there is no clear visible evidence to show it one way or the other. This 'establishment is against me' crap is so bogus and her fans are going to eat it up. It is unfortunate that Serena is unable to see the silver lining here. She got away with just a $92,000 fine for a severe offense. It's too bad the Grand Slam Committee didn't have the stones to default her in a major or two. That would have shut her up. But I suppose they were worried about being termed racists.
     
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    It's a strange irony that her new book is titled "On the Line" Is the book about foot faults?? I did notice the book at "Barnes and Noble" a few weeks ago. It was already on the bargain, closeout table, he he along with Nancy Pelosi's book!

    Hey, she should have titled her book "Shoving the ball down your F&*%$#&cking Throat" by Serena!
     
  21. GOATPARERA

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    Venus and Serena are 100% opposites...
     
  22. DRII

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    I am pretty sure you are not from America. Just ask any Native American how they feel about the many names used that are representative of their heritage yet in reality, the thing in question, has nothing to do with their heritage. Many and most find it very offensive.

    I.E. the Washington Redskins (a football team) or Indian Wells...
     
  23. drakulie

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    Womens tennis has a criminal among them, and she likes to threaten others with great bodily harm. Must be scary to be eating doughnuts next to her.
     
  24. GOATPARERA

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    oWOW serena is bigger than mike tyson.....and common.....combined!
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  25. malakas

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    Please kindly repost it in the Guys thread.
     
  26. jazzyfunkybluesy

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    How in the heck can a woman get that big.
     
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    ^^Dougnuts, and eating people. (lots of em)
     
  28. Chadwixx

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    He was at the event you read about...

    No one aside from richard 'cranium' williams heard these insults. The racial aspect of the story also died after two days due to "no legs". You obviously dont understand what happened and blamed it on racism.
     
  29. ronalditop

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    Serena looks even manlier than Common.
     
  30. TheTruth

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    In all fairness who else in tennis history has been the recipient of so many unjust calls?
     
  31. drakulie

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    Serena>>>>> when she was in the juniors. :roll:
     
  32. jones101

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    Mmmmm, she has been been on the wrong end of some bad calls.

    The hand incident
    The 5+ bad calls USO 04
    Martinez Sanchez@ French this year.

    BUT as a Serena fan myself, its not the incidnet itself which bothers me, but her attitude afterwards.

    She rebounded really well after the USO by playing sensational @ Doha, going 5-0 against the best and reclaiming her no 1 status. She makes a statement after the decision by the ITF stating that she hopes everyone can move on from this incident.

    THEN she comes out with this article, stating that she is the victim of sexisim and the ITF are unfairly treating her. She was verbally abusise, however made NO threats to kill or at any point going to assault her, as some on her crazily insinuate, but it was completley inappropriate behaviour.

    But in the age of Youtube/Internet and widespead media, behaviour like this will be replayed over and over and make a bigger impact than it may have 15 years ago whereas if you missed the incident, you would only probably catch the highlights on the news or see a picture from a paper.

    Also, £90,000 is less than a 1 match in wages for Serena, so her complaints of how big the fine are don't ring true for such a wealthy woman, she is talking like she is a pauper.
    I am also uneasy with the concept of raising the amount she was fined to go empowering women, as she is caiming that she was wronged by men @ ITF and she wants to make sure women stand up for themselves, where the real issue for all of this was her poor on court behaviour. Empowering women is a good cause but the concept/orign of why she is doing it is flawed,

    I like her idea of raising the money and if she attached it to a more positive concept and not the connoations of herself being a victim, it would sit easier with me.

    I can see how all of the haters/controversy/drama's why Serena reached a 'breaking point' but is does still not excuse her poor attitude that day.

    I love Serena as a person (usually) and as a tennis player, but she started all this so she is in no way a victim. Her treatment by the ITF was IMHO reasonable and fair, and I think they would have done the same thing to Federer if he would have done the same thing at the USO, rather than just curse @ umpire.
     
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  33. TheTruth

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    Good post, and good points. But to me, I can't say how I would feel if this kept happening to me. I've seen Serena cheated a lot so I'm not mad at her if she finally cracked. This has been going on for years.
     
  34. Raiden.Kaminari

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    So as a fan of tennis, I spend a lot of money buying decent seats to watch live matches. I forget how much I've spent.

    I go to Indian Wells. Pay for a hotel since I don't want to drive back to L.A. Eat some food that many consider over priced. Find out a much hyped, much anticipated, semi-Finals match is canceled, without much explanation for which I pay a tidy sum of money. During the Finals, many of spectators express that they are unhappy. And suddenly, we're being called racist??!??

    When I heard on Tennis Channel that Serena petitioned the ITF to allow her to donate her fine to her charity, I thought she was delusional. Then a few seconds later, hearing that she wanted people to contribute money towards her foundation to match the money she has to pay towards her fine, I thought she was insane.

    I have to agree that Serena was not treated equally. Had she been, she should have been banned from the next couple of majors instead of the wrist slap she received.
     
  35. Rhino

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    That pretty much covers it.
     
  36. jones101

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    Re: the Indian Wells incident, whatever happended rasicm or not, Serena did not deserve to be BOOED THE ENTIRE MATCH & AWARDS CEREMONY becasue Venus pulled out. Serena still played her SF and that was attricous behavour by the crowd to boo somebody for over 90 minutes.

    The rest I agree with somewhat but I think a ban would have been extreme IMO, considering Serena has been on tour for 12 years and has been extremely fair on court the entire time before this
     
  37. Chadwixx

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    Nope, you may wanna figure out what happened before casting an opinion. Not an insult, you just have a few facts wrong.

    Kinda funny

    "Q: Any predictions on tomorrow's match between sisters?
    Dementieva: I mean, I don't know what Richard thinks about it. I think he will decide who's going to win tomorrow.

    Q: That it's a family decision?
    Dementieva: Yeah, because I remember when they played in Lipton. If you saw this match, it was so funny.

    Statements issued by WTA Tour refuting Dementieva's comments: none"
     
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    Oops, my bad but it still was not her fault, I think the ammout at which she was booed was unfair.
     
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    I wrote a post about this in the past but cant find it. It explains why they decided to step on to the court to default instead of doing it before the match. They deserved to get boo'd, they chose the path that gave venus a bigger paycheck at the expense of the paying fans (who didnt get their ticket price back, due to the oncourt default).

    It was discussed at length and they both deserved what they got. I have no sympathy for thieves who got caught.
     
  40. TMF

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    But according to nizmo09, Serena isn’t fat.

     
  41. jones101

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    If you have read Serena's book you would know the officials were informed of this the day before that Venus was having problems, so they should have had a contingency plan in case she never played, like a doubles match to replace the time slot, they have time and could have rearranged the schedule to do so.

    Anyway I dont want to get into a war with you, I respect your opinions, but don't necessarily agree,so lets agree to disagree becasue we both believe were right lol.
     
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    This is scary, she looks like Hulk with no digital effect... thi Common guy is pretty courageous
     
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    NO LEGS?

    This incident has been discussed every year since it happened, with race being front and center. On blogs, on television, in magazine articles; LDV is just upset because he and his small town has been branded (partly, and hotly debated with strong opinnions on both sides) as racist for what happened.

    Also, that area of CA has long had a reputation for, lets say, somewhat of an elitest, biggoted area (at least by many).
     
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    The comments of you and others on this thread about Serena's appearance shows a strong cultural disconnect.

    Black American women and their 'thickness' is celebrated in the Black American culture and seen as very attractive, i.e. Beyonce, Laila Ali, and yes even Serena by many.

    Now as far as I'm concerned: Beyonce is way more my type. Laila Ali I also find very attractive. Serena not quite but many like her look.

    So some of you need to get a clue and not be so myopic.
     
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    I am sorry but on this pic she looks really man-like. Look at this damn shoulder... on other pics I may agree with you but not on this one. Beyonce is light-years more feminine than Serena.
     
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    Spot the difference.
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    Serena's not fat to people who are fatter...........
     
  48. DRII

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    Oh...

    I agree completely!

    But still, some of the comments regarding her appearance are close to ridiculous. She is not fat in that picture, manly maybe, meaning muscular.

    I've even heard people call Beyonce fat.

    All I am saying is; there is a cultural difference going on here.
     
  49. TMF

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    For my part I think she's overweight and isn't good looking, it has nothing to do with cultural disconnect. Whether Serena is white, hispanic or asian, if a women look like that picture I classify that as an overweight(if not obesity). Sure, black African(some) will think Serena is beautiful or perfectly shape, but the mass majority around the globe think differently. So there shouldn't be a suprise to you when most posters on this board believe she's not attractive and overweight. Name me any black women that competes in Miss USA or Miss Universe pageant for the past years that look like Serena? You can't. That's b/c MOST people(except you) judge beauty outside the look of Serena. And thank you for bringing up Beyonce. You just proved to us that Serena is just plain when comparing to her and agree that Beyonce is a preferred choice.

    Oh, so all the people are myopic just b/c we are not fond of her look and weight division? Nahhh, I just think you have lousy taste for women.
     
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    Beyounce got voted for one of the most hottest, sexiest, beautiful women in the world from FHM, askmen, and other magazines. Something Serena can never compete with her. Why? B/c most people say so.

    Again, not everyone view beauty the same due to different culture, but vast majority would pick Beyonce over Serena. Also most people in here think the same(not a coincidence). I bet you China would easily pick Beyounce over Serena.
     

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