Serena questions Sprems honesty.

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  1. mileslong

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    hey godzilla, maybe you should at least watch the freakin match before you go accusing a player of cheating,,,
     
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  2. Pyro

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    First off, I really don't see the big deal of this point. It seems that ego, adrenaline, revenge and most importantly conspiracy has brought this minute point to the so called epitome of sportsmanship. The fact is that it was one measley point, just ONE. I could score a point on Roger Federer (probably if he double faulted.) Anyway, Serena is just mad that her sister lost and she can't face her in the final, because Serena knows she can beat her sister, she has for the last two years. Also, it is not their responsibility to know the score, if I had someone who would keep score I would focus on the little green piece of fuzz. Another thing is, that I feel a little sorry for the chair umpire (sorry, don't know his name). I heard that he got kicked off or fired, and honestly that really isn't fair. I mean, he made a mistake, sure it was a big match, but who cares, Venus was up like 6-2 and she still lost. Finally, as for Sprem. I only vaguely remember hearing this once, but I heard that she left London, not quite sure, don't take my word for it. Anyway, I sincerely doubt that she actually knew what was going on. If worst comes to worst, and she did know and continued to play, then so be it. It's called killer instinct, survival of the fittest, darwinism (damn I'm a hardcore liberal), Sprem wanted to win and she found a break. In conclusion: Serena, don't get mad because you can't beat your sister in the final. Chair Umpire, don't make that mistake again but continue with your job, Sprem, you won the biggest match of your life, congratulations and good luck. If anyone has any other comments to agree or contest me, feel free to post.
     
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    It was the only thing the tournament could do. It makes the tournament look bad. And after that mistake, I doubt any of the players would want him to call their matches.
     
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  4. Pyro

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    Good point Kooyah, but I feel kind of sorry for the guy when he comes home jobless because of an embezzled error, plus I heard he just got the day off, although it might have been sarcastic for him being fired.
     
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  5. Deuce

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    I believe that someone should ask Serena why she thinks Sprem should have been alert enough to realize the error, but it's apparently perfectly understandable that Venus wasn't alert enough to catch it.

    Double standards certainly are very convenient things, aren't they?
     
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  6. I believe Serena is talking out of her *** once again, so that she gets more attention and makes people talk about her on an Internet forum. This is pretty sad . . .
     
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  7. bigserving

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    Serena is right.
     
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    Serena should take a clue from her older, classier sister, and her for-once-in-his-life well behaving father and shut her mouth. If I was the least-experienced and lower ranked player on court with a Williams sister and all those well paid court officials, I don't think I would have said anything either.

    But then again, Serena thinks she's an actress and that her on-court outfits are actually attractive, so she's in a different reality than the rest of us anyway.
     
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    I knew the Williams initial grace in dealing with the situation wouldn't last.
     
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  10. TwistServe

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    I hope Sprem spanks Serena in the finals
     
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    Sprem knew about the score and should have told the umpire.

    Whatever she achieves in her career, people will remember this always.
     
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    That umpire has many problems in the past. This was not his only f*ck up.

    In one match, the players double faulted 29 times but he refused to let them have the service box measured. It turns out the box was 3 feet too short. (clayycourt)
     
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  13. FresnoSig22

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    Let's not forget the 2003 French Open, where Serena served a ball, knowing that Henin stuck her hand up to wait. When she missed the serve, she asked for 2 and claimed that Henin stuck her hand up. So Henin isn't the most honest person, but neither is Serena, so Serena has no reason to speak up. Whatever it takes to win. It isn't cheating or anything. Henin in Paris 2003 and Sprem in London 2004 both capitalized on someone else's error.
     
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    thing is, the confusion may have affected sprem more than venus. sprem lost the next few points after the error.
     
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    You know for a fact that this was the same ump? Don't lie either because I can find out.
     
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  16. TwistServe

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    Yes it was the same ump. ESPN was the one that said it, and described a few situations where the ump messed up.. One of which was the 29 double fault insident.
     
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  17. Pyro

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    really perf? alright then, send him packing lol, sympathy meter has gone down.
     
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  18. Matt H.

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    Ok, the service box was 3 FEET SHORT!?!? Get out of here, 3 feet is HUGE.


    Back to the main topic, the match is being re-aired on NBC right this minute, and after the scoring error, they have a close up of Sprem and it shows her smirking towards the chair umpire. Her eyes totally give away that she knew what happened.
     
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  19. tetsuo10

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    Yeah, I just saw it too. I would question her integrity too after seeing that. She definitely knew.
     
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  20. katarddx

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    Who gives Serena right to question Sprem??? She didn't even watch her sister match!?!?!? And Referee is there to make calls not players.
     
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    like deuce sez......venus is the more experienced player and yet serena thinks its ok that venus doesnt remember the score but not ok that sprem doesnt? how does this work? as to whether sprem knew or not....maybe nobody will ever know save from sprem...if sprem knew, she will have to live with it now...i dont think she would ever confess at this point if she did know. the reality is that it wasnt a match or set point and venus blew 3 set points in the tiebreaker. serena needs to take her gold laminated flapped goofy tennis skirt and stick it in her big self proclaimed fashion diva actress mouth to shut her up..my .o2. ed
     
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  22. Brian Purdie

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    Serena got screwed over pretty hard by Henin at RG last year. I think she's justified in questioning the intergrity of Sprem and speak it as a direct insult to "the hand" Henin.
     
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  23. joe sch

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    It takes one to know one :wink: Serena has lots of experience in gamesmanship and I cant seem to ever remember her giving an opponent the benefit of doubt :?:
     
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    Yes the 3 foot incident will have top billing in Bud's updated version of his Encyclopedia. I agree about Sertena joe sch, and if Roddick has any sense at all he will issue a written and verbal apology to Ms. Sprem before his knee-JERK response haunts him forever in the locker room. And it will. (Hey, I know she's Croatian, but she must have heard about America's love affair with litigation. Go for it Karolina, no less than $20,000,000 And another 40 from Serena. LOL
     
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  25. VamosRafa

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    First, let's remember that neither Andy nor Serena talked about this on their own. They were grilled about it in their press conferences, particularly Serena, who had no wish to talk about it. In fact, she said she didn't want to talk about it, and the media wouldn't let it drop.

    I do think reading the players' actual comments are good, rather than the media-tainted versions of them.

    Here's what Andy said:

    And then he was asked about it again, and he said:


    I don't see any basis for slander there; I thought his comments were fair and responsive to the question -- saying the way he would keep score, but realizing that mistakes do happen. And I think he makes some good points. And it's just his opinion anyway.

    In any event, Serena's comments are more in-depth, which you can view at:

    http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/interviews/2004-06-25/200406251088174688653.html

    Venus is her sister, and I can see where she would be protective of her, and feel affronted for her. She initially said she was not there to talk about Venus, but again, the media kept pushing and pushing, and I thought Serena did well not to let go with her true feelings.

    The whole thing is unfortunate, and if anyone is at fault, it's the chair umpire and the linespeople, who should have corrected it.

    Now on to the next controversy . . . .

    Susan
     
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  26. Ronaldo

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    You all cannot be serious. If my opponent has a senior moment and calls the score wrong in MY favor, tough. If you think my partner made a bad call, speak UP and ask me to confirm the call or just shut up. Just WIN, baby. Sprem will never get that break against Sharapova, she will speak up.
     
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  27. bigserving

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    After reading the actual transcript of the interview, I wonder if any of these Serena haters will back off of their comments in this post.

    What Miles posted and the way that he wrote seems to show just a bit of bias toward Serena. Pretty lame.
     
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  28. VamosRafa

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    They should, bigserving. I'm not a big fan of the Williams' sisters tennis, but I admire the way Venus has handled this incident, and also the way Serena was trying to handle it.

    But whenever I read articles about what a player said, I try to read the actual interview, if it's available. And the Wimbly interviews are readily available at http://www.wimbledon.org and also at http://www.asapsports.com.

    Jennifer Capriati was grilled about the event, too, and her comment was that "her box" would have gone wild if the point had been against her.

    In fact, most of the players were asked about it on Friday. Some said more than others, but of course, the media focus was on Serena's and Andy's comments.

    Some interesting stuff in those interviews, though . . . .

    Susan
     
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    After reading the transcript of Serena's interview, I can see that she never really accused Sprem of anything. But she does kind of infer that it was Sprem's responsibility to at least question the matter. I would still like to ask Serena why she feels Sprem should have known the correct score, but it's fine that Venus didn't know the correct score.

    Did Serena say anything more outside of this interview about 'the incident'?

    And what exactly did Serena mean by this (in bold):

    Q. Martina said her first-round appearance here, her win, then yesterday the fact that Venus was beaten showed that in women's tennis there is depth right the way down the rankings.

    SERENA WILLIAMS: I can't answer that. I was unaware that Venus was beaten. I'm sorry. I can't answer any more questions about that subject either, because if you have any other questions to ask me, please, but don't ask me any more about the match or else you'll hear, "Bleep, bleep."


    Quite obviously, though, the most pertinent and interesting questions in the interview were:

    Q. How would you rate yourself as a dressmaker, fashion designer?
    and
    Q. How would you rate yourself as an actress?

    Now, that's profound stuff...

    Fortunately for mankind, you've come to the rescue with your equally strong opposite bias...

    Two wrongs....
     
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  30. yee

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    I really don't see anything wrong with both Andy and Serena's comment. Except I thought it's easier said than done that they would have done differently.

    Sprem was about to have one of the biggest win of her career, in a slam over one big favourite and it's in a TB. From her expression, it did seem like she knew something was wrong, but she looked at the umpire, didn't say anything, her opponent didn't say anything, and nobody say anything, what do you think she's gonna do? At that moment, one point did mean the world to her I'm sure.

    But these guys are being put on a spot with tough questions such as these, it's harsh and unfair to pick on what they said at the spur of the moment.

    For gods sake, Venus is her sister, can't she even feel a bit bad for her sister and would have been slightly aggressive with her comments?
     
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  31. NoBadMojo

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    i think the whole thing was blown out of porportion..it really wasnt even a critical point.it is only the media making noise..what is ridiculous is that the chair umpire could do something like that after having a history of incompetence..it's a reflection on the chair ump and the game in general more than the combatants. he shouldnt have been in the chair to begin with. tennis is crusty and stodgy and elistist IMO and that is what precludes a really awesome sport from being popular. my .o2. ed
     
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  32. tennisandmotocross

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    OKAY, I THINK THAT BECAUSE SPREM WAS PLAYING VENUS, EVERYONE EXPECTED HER TO GET BEAT. I MEAN, SHE DID REACH THE FINALS LIKE FOUR TIMES DIDN'T SHE? SO EVERYONE THINKS THAT SHE DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE BEATEN HER LAST SECOND HAD THE SCORE BEEN RIGHT. BUT LOOK HOW GOOD SPREM HAD TO PLAY TO EVEN BE "TIED" WITH HER IN THE LAST SET. SHE HAD TO PLAY AS WELL AS VENUS, IF NOT BETTER, TO GET THAT FAR IN THE MATCH. I MEAN C'MON, HOW MANY (RELATIVELY UNKNOWN PLAYERS) HAVE DONE THAT? SPREM DESERVED IT.
     
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  33. gmlasam

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    WHY ARE YOU YELLING????
     
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  34. tennisandmotocross

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    how can i be yelling, im typing!
    no sorry, i occasionnally "accidentally" hit caps lock or whatever.
    my bad
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  35. TwistServe

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    I didn't expect sprem to lose.. THeir last match was a long 3 sets too, and sprem was up on the 3rd set before she lost. I knew if she got another chance, she wouldn't let it slip.
     
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  36. tennisandmotocross

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    c'mon how many ppl want to see a champion slip?

    okay i do, its kind of like watching people fall down, then you secretly laugh at them.

    hahahaha j/k.
     
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  37. bigserving

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    Deuce, my little chihuahua, read the question of this thread, then read your response.

    But you couldn't stop there, you had to spread some Deuce all over it and mess it all up. I know that you struggle with reading comprehension so I am going to help you out here.

    That is what we call sarcasm. After being asked several questions about a match that she had already told reporters that she did not see, the respondent tried subtle humor to get the reporters to confine their questions to what is relevant to the two-time champ, and tournament's top seed.

    P.S. Please look up the definition of the word bias.
     
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  38. perfmode

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    So you didn't notice that you hit capslock while typing that essay of a post?
     
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    maybe you should watch the freakin" interview before you start giving me a lecture chief. she inferred that sprem knew the score and was not honest for not pointing it out. ignoring the fact that her own sister didnt say anything either. so because venus didnt know the score its impossible that sprem didnt either? go look up the word "infer" brainiac then come talk smack to me...
     
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  40. tennisandmotocross

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    back off

    my bad! i never thought of all caps as loud or anything. so from now on no more capital letters. lets not be haters. o wait, i guess im on the wrong board for that, huh?
    bye
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    mileslong wrote:
    I read the entire transcript of the interview, (transcripts = actual spoken words).

    The title of your thread is simply a lie and there is no getting around that.

    Wait, aren't you the same guy who posted some junk earlier this week? Aren't you one who started a thread about a racquet paintjob embarrassment that turned out to be lie? You are on a roll.

    Not very truthful, but at least you are consistent. Chief.
     
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  42. perfmode

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    pwned
     
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    try mouthing the words when you read them this time, maybe that will help your reading comprehension. she INFERRED that sprem knew the score and purposely cheated. that is why she mentioned right and wrong and saying she was honest INFERRING that sprem was not honest. jesus man, are you that deft?

    as far as being pwned, i wont respond to anyone that is using that internet geek speak. that is so beyond lame that i pray you will one day have a girlfriend...
     
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  45. Nosoupforyou

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    I remember once when she overruled the Ump when he called her opponents serve out, basically giving her opponent the point
     
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  46. D.  Nelson

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    ...the ONLY thing Serena is 'right' about (in THIS case), is in saying what is 'expected' to BE the "right" answer...GIVE ME A BREAK..... In reality 98% of ALL of us would have acted JUST like Sprem did...AND, she played a GREAT match !!!!
     
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  47. Deuce

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    I am well aware of the meaning of bias.

    People such as yourself provide us constant and impeccable examples of its very definition.
     
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  48. a verrry large duck

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    FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Imagine if this situation was reversed, and it was venus that took the point. Absolute no need to describe to you guys what would be the reaction from this messageboard then (does the phrase 180 degree u-turn mean anything?). But to summarize, it would be another "smoking gun" indictment of the williams family "dishonesty" and "arrogance" and perhaps another spinoff thread on serena's butt, venus's clothes, or richard's hair (hey you know something new's gonna come up, that might not be too far-fetched :) ). I don't blame sprem for taking the point, and I wouldn't blame venus for taking the point if it so happened that way. I'm laughing right now thinking how some of you guys would be saying how "obvious" venus knew she got an extra point and was lying and pretending not to know in order to cheat. I mean you guys go off and run on a speck of dust, I can only imagine how far and long you guys would go on a venus "underhanded trick" you would call it. I suppose this topic is just a continuation of the henin-hardenne "raising hand" deal: someone else screws up, and we spend the whole time finding some way to bash a williams in the final conclusion lol.
     
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  49. Phil

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    The match is over. Venus (and, surprisingly, Richard) are over it; they've forgiven the judge and they aren't talking about any "conspiracies". Serena, although she's Venus' sister, is also just another player and it's not her place to stretch this out. If Venus had chosen to do so, fine-but she didn't. Serena should just STFU and move on. Her carping about the mistake or Sprem isn't going to change anything.
     
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  50. Andy Zarzuela

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    Venus was up 6-3 in the 2nd set tiebreak.......although the score was really 6-2, that would have given her another set point, WHICH makes a HUGE difference.
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