Serena vs. JMac Exhibition

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  1. Nadalgaenger

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    Why not?

    It would be an interesting contest. I agree with most on here that JMac would win, though I don't think it would be as easy as most people think.

    JMac is in his 50s and let's face it, Serena, owing to her more modern, evolved game, has cleaner strokes and overall better tennis technique from the baseline (things are very different at the net of course!)

    Anyway, it would be a great way to increase tennis popularity in the US and would get excellent pay per view ratings. Nike should sponsor it and give the proceeds to cancer research or something!

    I think JMac would take it seriously and probably win. Serena would too, but if she lost I'm sure she'd say it was just an exhibition.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. Outbeyond

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    I like it!!! It has a sort-of air of the Billie Jean King-Bobby Riggs "Battle of the Sexes," though McEnroe is no Bobby Riggs...thankfully, Mac is far more contemporary in perspective.

    It gives Serena the handicap she needs (Mac is old!) and it gives Mac the handicap HE needs (Serena's a girl!). It's a real winner of a fundraiser for some very worthy cause.
     
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  3. Towser83

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    I posted in another thread she should play some exhos, and mac was one of my choices. They could both threaten linespeople as well.
     
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  4. 1477aces

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    Serena, Mac is old and probably fat too and no longer as strong.
     
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    LOL...so true. :)
     
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    Bobby Riggs had beaten Margaret Court 6-2, 6-1 before he faced Billie Jean King.
     
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    That's what made his battle with Billie such a thrill! In the end, his well-known dismissal of women players and his cockiness were what made that infamous match with her so very sweet.
     
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    I find it telling that several "Serena should play this guy" threads always pop up when she is exhibiting dominant skill. It carries the stench of some very socially unstable personalities who cannot handle the idea of a strong woman.
     
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  10. NikeWilson

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    I would be interested in seeing a Serena VS McEnroe match.
    I'm not sure who would win. But I can see it going either way.
    Infact is a big Serena fan. He's always declaring Serena as the Greatest Female Player of all time. He might be right.
     
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  11. romeo8880

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    Serena would beat some of the guys in the top 10.
     
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    How is that? You trying to say that they are calling her a guy or something? I see it as: most believe that the ATP would be harder to compete in than WTA in general. Serenas skill level is so high that they would want to see her skills against the guys in the ATP. It more the fact they want to see her skills be tested, and the biggest way would mean ATP guys, but it wont happen.
     
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    No one wants to see this. And it's an insult to Mac.
     
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    J Mac will never agree. he is a Ego maniac. He knows there is a chance he could lose. so he won't do it.
     
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    Ridiculous idea. But everytime this is brought up, i.e: Serena vs men, it is just a thinly disguised Serena bash.
     
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    Serena playing the men got brought up on Radio Roland Garros again today. Commentators (who I love) basically didn't think Serena could touch any man in the top 200. Every time this comes up (Lindsey Vonn skiing, Annika Sorenstam in golf) it's interesting but more a publicity stunt. I love women's sports for what they are and don't see any reason why they need to compete against the men. For people who then feel it's a lesser product, I also love watching college basketball/football even if it's not to the levels of the pros; it doesn't change my appreciation of what they do.
     
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    You are not serious, are you?

    Her mobility is lightyears behind the ATP. I do think her stroke technique is superior to JMac from the back of the court though, and the baseliner vs. SV, female GOAT vs. old legend thing could be an interesting match-up.

    Let's hope that Nike or somebody puts this together.
     
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  18. Onehandedbackhand

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    He'd give her a game to keep from boredom.
     
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    Jmac would not win against Serena and that is a fact. Even in his prime I don't think he would beat prime Serena.
     
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    This is a match I have wanted to see for many years. I always thought McEnroe would win but by now Serena may have a chance.
     
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    Only if they were playing with wood.
     
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  22. 1477aces

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    Mac's old and probably doesn't work out or run any more, so Serena is likely faster and stronger. Serena wins.
     
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    Just because he's a guy doesn't mean he'll be naturally faster and stronger, especially since he's old. Are you faster and stronger than Serena? Now Serena would get killed by an ATP player, but 55 year old Mac who doesn't work out or run? If he did, then it would likely be an even match because a 55 year old man is likely as a 31 year old woman.
     
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    at tennis?

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    The speed would make it impossible for her.
    Serves too fast and wide. No return.
    Returns coming in too hard. No rallies.
    And if there was a rally she does not cover enough court to handle the pace and angle the men bring to the game immediately.
     
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  25. Onehandedbackhand

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    How the **** old are you? 10?

    Mac is in better shape now than when he was 35. He'd slaughter her.
     
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  26. Onehandedbackhand

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    He works out and runs all the time. Odds are he's in better shape than you.
     
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    That's what Serena should do in general, play with men! Women don't challenge her enough lol.
     
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    Good point. She never sees the spin and speed on the WTA that she'd face from an ATP player...She wouldn't know how to handle it and would be on the defensive most of the time.
     
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  30. thor's hammer

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    Serena's in an odd place at this point in time, as when she's on she's head and shoulders above the other pro women, yet she wouldn't stand a chance against a current male pro: their movement and power are notches above hers. If played totally seriously she'd be lucky to get a game.

    On the other hand McEnroe still has the fire in his belly, and can still play at a very high level for short stretches. On his own serve he can still give anyone problems for a set or two, although he too is outclassed by current pros on the movement and power fronts: he'd have a lot of trouble handling their serves, and in baseline rallies.

    Serena vs Mac could make for a very competitive exo, and would provide a good reality check as to how her game might compare to the guys. Would definitely be popular, and a good time for it would be this summer when they're both typically playing World Team Tennis.

    Tennis Channel, are you listening?
     
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  31. AtomicForehand

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    You people are completely delusional.

    Serena practices with men all the time. You think she hasn't seen a man's serve before?

    She can serve as well as most of the top male pros herself. An ace is an ace.
     
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  32. BeHappy

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    John McEnroe said a few years ago in an interview with Jonathan Ross that he was retracting his challenge to Serena and that when he'd made the claim she wouldn't win a game against him he was only in his early 40's, but now he's older he isn't certain he'd win.

    Still, I think he'd probably win. Even at 50 years of age he's much faster than Serena. Serena's groundstrokes aren't that powerful either, even by WTA standards. Compare her forehand to Mary Pierce's or Steffi Graf and it's pretty slow. She's very reliant on short returns from her first serve for easy putaways.

    John McEnroe, unlike the women Serena faces, is used to returning monster serves. He returns Ivanisevic/Sampras/Krajicek/Philippoussis's serves without too much difficulty on the senior tour. He wouldn't panic when faced with Serena's 125mph serve like Sharapova and Errani.

    Finally, when WTA players use ATP balls they are very weak with no power compared to the men. When Agassi and Henman teamed up with Steffi Graf and Kim Clijsters for mixed doubles a few years ago in an exhibition at Wimbledon to celebrate the new roof, Graf and Clijsters were hitting the ball in slow motion compared to old and broken down Agassi and Henman.

    Later in the exo Graf and Clijsters played each other in singles with standard WTA balls and hit the cover off the ball in the highest standard match I've seen in a long time. This was right before Clijsters returned and won lots of grand slams. This should all be on youtube.
     
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    I think Williams would win. Look at the state McEnroe is in. I remember that exo against Lendl some time ago. Mcenroe was winning but retired because of an ankle injury. They both looked like a bunch of old (but good) club players. Williams is a top athlete and is also more powerful, has a faster serve AND has better technique than McEnroe at the moment. She would lose against almost every active top ATP player though.
     
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  34. AtomicForehand

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    I think you're way wrong on this. I was watching Mac playing in the legends doubles during this French Open, and all the men on court, Mac included, looked super-slow--much slower than the WTA women's dubs players. MUCH. Have a look yourself and compare.
     
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    Yeah I saw that too and he was awful physically and played pretty badly too but I think he must be injured because when I look at matches from the seniors tour on youtube his speed is incredible for a man his age.
     
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    LOL

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    Seren couldn't even beat a pro in the top 200-300 in the world. In fact, she could barely even win a game

    Mac is still very good for his age.

    ROFLMAO @ people thinking Serena could beat Mac
     
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    Methinks it is you who are delusional.

    A lot of the top women pros are coached by and/or practice with former lower ranked male pros or former male college players, and these guys routinely beat those top women handily in practice sets.

    Serena is awesome, and so is Mac, but they would bring different strengths to a match. Personally I think Mac would win - would definitely be interesting to see.

    Oh, and as regards "an ace is an ace". With disguise and placement that can be true, and Mac, with his movement at this age, would be susceptible. But Mac wouldn't have any problems with Serena's serve in general. And Venus said a few years ago after receiving serve from a retired male pro (I think it was Courier) that she just doesn't see anything like that kind of power and spin from the pro women. Keep in mind Mac still has a VERY good serve!

    Let's see a Serena-Mac exo!!
     
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    Connors vs. Navratilova

    For an idea of what this might look like, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Qx3F7QiD4

    Connors was younger than Mac, but Mac might also have to spot Serena some points or alleys to make it competitive. Maybe not, though. I'd like to see it.
     
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  42. AtomicForehand

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    You're kind of making my point for me. Serena's full-time practice partner is a big 28-year-old guy. I think her daily sessions with him would more than prepare her for anything that a 54-year-old Mac could throw at her.

    I've seen Serena ace Djokovic in competition. In watching professional mixed, it isn't uncommon at all for the WTA pros to ace the men. Guess you just don't have a good database to draw from.
     
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    Yeah, that's her practice partner, but who says that means she would beat that guy in a match? False logic.
     
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    When did serena ace Djokovic? What kind of "competition" was it? I doubt he was taking it very seriously!
     
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  45. AtomicForehand

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    Hopman Cup final, 2008. She aced him twice actually. You can probably find it on YouTube.
     
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    PFFFT, who takes that seriously? Frederik Nielsen, then 234 in the world, gave Mardy Fish a huge battle. Make it a legit event and he'd take two games.
     
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    I don't think Mcenroe would win as easily as most are saying here. I think it will be very competitive because Mcenroe is an old man.

    But then again, maybe Mcenroe would annihilate her. I saw Mcenroe almost beat Roddick in WTT last year (or 2011).
     
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  48. AtomicForehand

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    We're not talking about her beating her practice partner in a match, we're talking about Serena vs. 54-year-old John McEnroe. :roll:
     
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    Yeah, but just about anyone can beat Roddick. :)
     
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  50. TahoeTennis

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    It's a lose/lose scenario for Jmac.

    Best case: he beats Serena. He's mean/jerk/etc..

    Worst case: Serena beats him. He got beat by a girl/he's old/etc..

    But to be honest, I'd
    think it would totally be a competitive fun match!
     
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