Serena vs. JMac Exhibition

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  1. thor's hammer

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    I suspect male hitting partners tone it down when they practice with female pros. As others have pointed out, not the same thing.

    In any event, regarding the lose-lose nature of a Serena-Mac exo, yes, it could be looked at that way. And if so I think the bigger risk would be Serena's, as *if* Mac got beat he could always plead age.

    That being said I think this exo could be a HUGE WIN FOR TENNIS. Serena and Mac, each in their own way, have transcended tennis and are known and have appeal in the general culture. And we're just coming up on the 40 year anniversary of the King-Riggs Battle of the Sexes. The TV audience almost certainly wouldn't be as large, but a worldwide Internet audience? The sky's the limit!

    The timing is right for Netflix or Youtube (Google), both of which have the online infrastructure in place, and both of which are moving quickly to establish themselves as content providers, to underwrite the production and delivery of this event.

    Do it in Vegas. Serena can pull in some of her buds, (Jay-Z, Beyonce) Mac his (Sandler, Baldwin). There are a lot of bits that could coalesce to make this a killer!
     
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    Jay-Z would no more take that risk than fly the moon. If old man Mac kicked the crap out of her, it'd be embarrassing.
     
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  3. Gonzalito17

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    BJK verbally agreed to play Riggs again before the Houston victory, but she renegged on that promise and never played Riggs again.

    McEnroe would beat Serena, easily.
     
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  4. Nadalgaenger

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    I like your thinking here! Remember, I started the thread so I want at least 10% of all the winnings. Maybe you can be the promoter and earn another 10%! Give the rest to cancer research or something!
     
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    Interesting. I saw Nav hit into the doubles alley and Connors continued to play - What were the rules for this match - was she spotted the whole court on the opposite side?
     
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  6. 1477aces

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    maybe. But I doubt he's in better shape than Serena at 55.
     
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  7. thor's hammer

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    Yes, in that exo Martina could hit into the full court, and Connors only got one serve. If Serena and Mac were to play IMHO it should be straight up, no handicaps either way. Mac's age hopefully would provide what's needed to make it competitive. We can all weigh in endlessly, but only one way to find out.

    Works for me. ;-)
     
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  8. sportsfan1

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    Thanks for the clip and information.
    Hasn't Mac been cramping up in several recent exhibitions including when he walked out from the commentary booth against Djok for a short hit? Not sure if he could play a whole set.
     
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    Seriously the amount of delusion here is so strong. Mac now wouldn't win against Azarenka or Sharapova let alone Serena! The man is a walking fossil. He has no power, no movement and he has probably never seen the kind of spin the new rackets produce. As someone has said, the top girls practice with young men with way more power than McEnroe ever had, they have seen anything McEnroe can throw at them and then some. He would go down in straights, remove those rose-tinted glasses, TTW.
     
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    I remember that there was one point when Serena got mad at Sasha for thinking that he wasn't hitting the balls as hard as the girls she was playing.
     
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  11. thor's hammer

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    I think your take on things is way off, but again, we'll never know unless Mac and Serena play. The one thing we do know for certain is that there would be a lot of interest in seeing this match happen!

    For background there's a good summary of previous inter-gender contests here.

    The King-Riggs "Battle of the Sexes" took place on 9/20/73. Riggs was 55 at the time, King 30. McEnroe is now 54, Serena 32.
     
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    FWIW, Serena's 31. Turns 32 in September.
     
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    Why would Serena want to play with a talk show host?
     
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    I agree. I think actually that Mac might take Serena.

    The guy still has superior net and volleying skills and his serve is still very good. Both are things you need in order to beat Serena.
     
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  15. 1477aces

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    Guys are crazy, Serena would beat Mac pretty handily.
     
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    Like to bump this thread, as there was a little talk of Serena playing an exo with Murray recently - probably would've picked up some momentum if she had won Wimbledon.

    In any event I still think it makes more sense for her to do it (first) with McEnroe. Murray would have to throttle way down, otherwise would blow her off the court. Johnny Mac at this point? A lot of posters here seem to think she would take him.

    Lets get it on! ;-)
     
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    Sigh...

    Seriously?
     
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    I really wish McEnroe would come out and play this. I think the hype about Serena needs to be mitigated.
     
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    J Mac will never do it.. Too risky for his Ego......................
     
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    Well, it puts him in a tough spot from a PR point of view. I mean the politically correct thing for him is to bow down and take a beating from Serena, proving somehow that women's tennis should matter more.

    I fear that most women (and many men) would root against them. Also, it might turn into a farce, with the two giving way to their unsportsmanlike behavior to rile the crowd.

    In terms of skill, I still think McEnroe could kill her. I say 6-3, 6-2.
     
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    Ha, I'd pay to watch this.

    I like it :mrgreen:
     
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    I think he would definitely do it. He was trying to promote the idea of playing against Serena or Venus in a BOTS years ago when they were teens.
     
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    LOL really? I mean I saw an interview with Mac from 1999 and he looked quite young, It would definitely have been unfair if they had played him back then. Its been a long time since then, so maybe the playing field is leveled now...it might even be in serena's favor.
     
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  24. Soianka

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    Yeah, he really was trying to promote this back in 1999 or so. The Williams sisters pretty much ignored him. It was around that same year that he was trying to play mixed doubles with Steffi at Wimbledon and then she withdrew from MD and he got ****y.
     
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  25. heninfan99

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    Mac serves fantastic these days and has a trainer, they run on the beach. Would love to see this. But I want to see a full best of 3 sets none of the 10 point tie break nonsense.

    Goran vs. Sampras as the opening act.
     
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  26. Nadalgaenger

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    Seriously though, if tennis were truly interested in promoting itself in the US, then this kind of exhibition would be a no-brainer.

    Madison Square Garden, after the USO.

    The winner gets to donate $1,000,000 to their favorite charity.

    Ticket sales/pay per view revenue would be huge.

    Thoughts?
     
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    I really wish somebody could make this happen. It would be a great charity event and possibly an entertaining match. I'd love to see JMac end all of the Serena hype.
     
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    Mac was rightfully pissy at her, as they had already made the SF when Graf decided to withdraw to save herself for the final.
    I think the Willams sisters ignored him back then since they knew at that point in time they would still be squashed by him. Whether Serena could defeat Mac right now? Hmm, difficult to say. Mac handles hard serves still very well in exhibitions and WTT, so I don't think Serena's serve would bother him that much. Mac's serve is pretty fast nowadays but likewise I think Serena should be mostly okay with them. Even with Mac's age now, his movement is only somewhat worse than Serena's imo (yes, much worse compared to younger male players, but don't underestimate how much faster men are cp. to women on the tennis court) , but his tricky shots and still great volleying would make this quite interesting I think.

    It's all speculative though, since it's not going to happen. Mac has nothing to win, and Serena can't risk losing to an old guy.
     
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    Since when did he ever work out or run?
    The advert for the max 2000 had his head superimposed on the torso of a college student as JPM was just weedy.
     
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  30. Nostradamus

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    J Mac has nothing to gain from this. and he does NOT want to be known as another bobby Riggs.
     
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    Wow. Now there's a need to have a former ATP No.1 to play Serena. The length some will go through to try to discount her achievements.
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    #John wants $$$$ like #Riggs did, except off the back of #Serena.

    Serena should seriously shun the old hack. He's 1/3 accomplished as she and it would achieve nothing but diminish her historically to play someone like #John. If it were #Sampras or #Federer after he retires, it would mean more to tennis. #John and his family needs to fade away from American tennis.

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    what ? John did more for american tennis than serena ever did by like 300%. john made tennis popular in USA where as serena made it unpopular by shunning the press and not playing fun and giving press what they need to make tennis popular
     
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    Tennis has historically been popular in the US, and blossomed once the Open Era began. #Chris Evert and #Jimmy Connors were the impetus to American tennis popularity at its height in the 1970's. McEnroe came LATER in the 1970's. It was #Borg-McEnroe in 1980 that cemented John's popularity. Check with USTA Development/Davis Cup over the past ten years and show us how much the McEnroe's did for US tennis.

    Serena became the winningest American (man or woman) in Grand Slam singles tennis and is composed to become the most accomplished ever in the history of the sport. Serena is setting the bar for decades to come. John could never dream of making that type of impact in the sport. You can find him at PowerShares getting mauled by #Roddick, #Blake and #Courier.

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    I disagree. JMac sees himself as an apostle of the sport in a country in which it has clearly fallen out of favor. An event like this would be an enormous coup and could pull tennis out of the doldrums in the United States. Moreover, the charity money generated by the event would be substantial.
     
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    They ignored him because he was irrelevant (to women's tennis) then and he is still irrelevant to women's tennis now.
     
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    The men's game in the U.S. has fallen out of favor thanks to two generations of underwhelming, one-dimensional, largely baseline-obsessed players that are clearly not majors winners to be, aside from the Roddick fluke.

    It's a cheap stunt, and would make McEnroe look like a desperate fool clawing for attention. He would have no respect from anyone.
     
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    Beyond idiocy. Mac is in extremely good shape. If you knew anything about tennis, this would be a no brainer:

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    Would you (or anyone else in your world) look that good at 56?

    Emphatically... NO.
     
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    Attacking faceless members about an undetermined future you will never know is petty.
     
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    How many people have actually watched both Serena and JMac play competitive tennis over the last 12 months? Because I have and their talent levels are not very comparable.
     
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    Many have. The Powershare events are broadcast on Fox Sports and the Tennis Channel regularly.

    I think Mac will win 6-3, 6-4.
     
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    Johnny Mac beats up top 5.0 - 5.5 [young] guys easy, at his current age.

    Serena can't beat current men's top 200, for sure--any day!

    Retired John would still beat up current women's no.1 easy handily.
     
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    mcenroe backhand atm looks horrible would get destroyed by serena
     
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    Yes I know they are that's my point.
    And I'd have to disagree very strongly with your assessment, with the only qualifier being there is no way Serena could mentally prepare herself in any sort of serious way for such an exo, whereas JMac would probably spend three months straight readying mind and body.

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    These are HIGHLIGHTS from FIVE YEARS AGO. This is McEnroe's level. Good for his age? Yes, he is in absolutely great shape. Good enough to beat Serena (again, in some hypothetical scenario where she's trying to win their exo as badly as she wants to win a major) ? No no no
     
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  46. tacou

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    Are you suggesting a 5.0 player could reach 200 in the world..?
     
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  47. JohnnyMac Fan!

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    Did you see Mac vs Nishikori? Interesting match. I would like to see Serena vs Mac for obvious reasons. :D
     
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    On a good day, a 5.0 - 5.5 can definitely beat someone in the low 300 and in some special days they can dismantle a 200th rank player [a top of the crop college player can easily be in the top 400; high 300]. However, a 5.0 will get annihilated by Serena, the same way they will be annihilated by Jonnhy Mac.
     
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    Nice in theory, but even if it happens it won't prove anything because it's still an exhibition. A real test would be allowing Serena in a men's draw in a regular ATP event.
     
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    Ermm...NO
     

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