Serena Williams' real racquet

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  1. Down_the_line

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    Got a quick question for Big John and any other Pro Stock experts out there. What's the consensus on the frame Serena Williams really uses under her paintjobs? I've heard the Hammer 6.4 Powerholes mentioned a lot. Is this true?
     
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  2. jorel

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    wasnt she using a frame that was made specifically for Federer to try?
     
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    Wait for it.......................is it a Big Bubba by any chance?
     
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  4. PBODY99

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    She switched to the K Blade 104 when they were released. The production frame does have a modified Power Holes system. I doubt she uses the BLX layup as it has a lower RDC stiffness rating.
     
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    Yes! You are correct! Here is a photo of Serenas frame together with a Nadal-frame from 2008

    [​IMG]
     
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  6. PBODY99

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    She will not have to switch brands.........

    Wilson's Outer Limits is just as big, a tad quicker at the net & of course hits a bigger ball.
     
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  7. Down_the_line

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    Thanks for the info. Interesting that Serena allowed herself to switch to a recent frame. You hardly ever hear of that among pros who religiously stick to the racquet they've used since their teens or early 20's.

    Good on Serena for being open minded and willing to truly use a new Wilson racquet, rather than just endorse it with a paintjob.
     
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  8. zapvor

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    i strung her racket once. the paintjob is one of teh best i have seen. shes using some real old hammer series
     
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  9. フェデラー

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    She also used to be full gut until this year until she switched to a hybrid during the summer, and of course we all know happened after that.
     
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    Yeah, I heard she was urged to try the new Luxilon 4G string and ended up incorporating it into her setup.
     
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    I'm almost sure I read somewhere that she was one of the few players who actually played with the racket she advertise.....Guess it wasn't true....
     
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  12. vsbabolat

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    She really does use the Blade 104
     
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  13. jorel

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    interesting ... if she uses an OS..one wonders if it suits weekend warriors as well
     
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  14. mbpga1222

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    i have one of her frames and so does my local tennis shop, definitely the real blade 104.
     
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  15. Down_the_line

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    But to reiterate, she uses the K Blade Team 104, not the current BLX Blade Team 104 that she is endorsing.
     
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  16. racquetfreak

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    that is true, i have seen the kbt with blx pj.
     
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  17. Big John

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    I've only seen one of her older racquets with a NCode paint and it was at least 27.5 and had a massive head on it, basically a heavier granny racquet! :)

    I agree it looks as though she is now using the Blade 104, a very underrated racquet in my opinion, used to sell plenty of those in the shop, very easy to hit.

    I'd say switching away from full gut might have helped her too, how you'd control full gut in a bigger headed racquet without stringing stupidly tight I have no idea.
     
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  18. keithfival

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    Shhhhh! They are hard enough to find as it is!:)
     
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  19. PBODY99

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    Serena & Venus have used over sized rackets for all of their career. Their father was asked about that early on, and said something to the effect that using a powerful racket forces you to learn control.
     
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    To be clear: Isn't 104 sq. in. a midplus?
     
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    and 3 more sq inches make it an OS????
     
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  22. keithfival

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    I don't know what's considered OS but it certainly feels just like a 100. Feels very similar to the Exo3 Tour 100 18 x 20 actually except much lighter.
     
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  23. NLBwell

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    I'd call 104 sqin an oversize, but it's debatable. 100 is mid+, 107 is OS, 104 - whatever you want, but since Mid+ goes all the way down to 95 sqin, most people would call 104 an oversize.
     
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  24. フェデラー

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    That's because she did. I'd have to do something but IIRC she would go as high as 65 with all gut. I realize it's not that high, but that's very very high. I think the poly is better for her anyway. I definitely think she puts more spin on the ball now than ever, and it helps a lot.
     
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  25. lulo

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    isn't 102-105 consider a super mid?
     
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  26. Federerkblade

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    on tv her head always looks smaller than 104 inch to me maybe a custom 101
     
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    Are you referring to her racquet or her cranium? ;)
     
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    haha! nice darrin
     
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  29. NTexas

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    Ok i kinda new to this but it sure sounds like all these players are liars and do some super false advertising? whats next is the earth not round and did we not land on the moon?
     
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  30. jankustra

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    yesterday I hold her racket. looked like normal one. a bit heavier, but nothink extra. but grip no 5!!! and strink main: natural gut cross: luxilon original or M2 (amber-i read just Luxilon) and tension 62-58.
     
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    I think Serena uses one of the older model stiffer blade 104's with Gut mains and 4G cross. It is longer and has a big grip..

    Before that was almost a granny racquet, not sure how she controlled that thing.
     
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  32. Federerkblade

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    How did you get hold of her racquet ??? are you at french and how did you get to hold it ?
     
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    anyone no the strung weight
     
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    Gut/Poly Hybrid...and still stringing the gut mains pretty high and pre-stretched.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Given the number of unforced errors she used to hit, she often didn't control that thing. As she's gone to more controllable stings and slightly more controllable racket, she has cut down her unforced errors and the number of crazy upsets.
     
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  36. TennisCJC

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    There are places on TT that say her swingweight is approximately 370 grams which implies she is loading up the head with lead tape. A 104" head with 370 SW would have enormous power and that might help explain her 120 MPH serves. She gravitates toward near even balance if I remember correctly.
     
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  37. Federerkblade

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    both the last posts r true . a tennis friend told me the specs of serena s racquet will post later but convur with tenniscjc and nlbwell
     
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  38. Federerkblade

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    was 345 strung, 22mm thick (basically the K Blade model painted like the white/black BLX), 27.5" long, 57RA and 390 swing weight!!! 3 overlapping strips of lead under the bumper per each side

    she may have reduced the swingweight. thanks to mauro
     
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  39. tennixpl

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    okay so this always has bugged me, how are racquet companies not sued for false advertising if the players never use the commercial frame? i mean at least as a base that gets altered?
    also why is it all such a damn secret, like i think ill really play as good as Serena if i just buy that racquet..... ill take the endorsement deal as the reason why i dont play as good. is this comparable to any other sport, do golfers use secret 193s clubs, are basket ball specs a secret?, does Nike really put some metorite material in their air jordans taht michael plays with but not what they sell at foot locker?
     
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    hope it goes somewhere, mostly jsut to have a more honest industry. stuff wearts out adn people change and that is enough reason to buy new equipment. If Serena uses an old model then obviuosly they still make that model so it doesnt behoove them to make a new one with a new marketing campaign and a new bogus advancement, while still keeping an old mold active, and then to do this with a bunch of players it makes no sense to me.

    Pete Sampras obviusly used the old PS 85, did wilson not make enough money by selling those for 20 years at 200 bucks as apposed to a different layup of graphite with different paint for 200 bucks????
    he also put multiple layers of lead tape on them, if they custom made those frames why wouldnt they just add that weight to the frame so he didnt have to further customize the frames......
    then again i still cant explain love -15-30-40-45 deuce scoring system
     
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  42. フェデラー

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    As for your first complaint, if that were true, then why would tennis companies bother to make new rackets? Why innovate at all? Why try new things? Fact of the matter is, although there are paintjobs in the pro world, at the end of the day not all pros use rackets they have been using for decades. The fact of the matter is you just don't know what they are using. There is nothing wrong with custom rackets. Even Serena, whom this thread is about, has changed rackets over her career. Her current blade, which may or may not be the blx blade of the last generation, is obviously radically different than the Hyper Hammer OS she used years ago. The other thing is that pros are changing companies quite often, and some times some players actually do like the new frames that companies are putting out, like Baghdatis who just switched to Graphene Speed Pro (confirmed by VS Babolat I believe). The fact of the matter is that there is nothing wrong with them releasing new rackets every two years or so, technology MUST advance otherwise there is risk of stagnation. There must be some innovation. I realize some of this stuff is gimmicky, but the fact of the matter is, as amateurs a new racket doesn't change much to us. The other argument here is that most people on this forum can't play with current rackets anyway, no way in hell they can play with pro stock rackets. However, I don't think it's a terrible idea for racket companies to offer classic rackets more often like wilson now does the PS 85. Babolat could release a classic Babolat APD, the racket Rafa "used" to win so many slams.

    The reason that lead tape is used is because it is simply easier to add a gram or two here or there rather than making a custom mold. If roger adds lets say 8 grams at 12 oclock, if they were to actually make a racket for him, they would have to probably drastically change the composition of that racket at that precise location to add in the weight. This would probably be a headache for Wilson.
     
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  43. Sander001

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    Heard McEnroe say that she uses a very light racquet. I wasn't at all convinced.
     
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    what advancement has really been made? stopped playing for years came back and it really all is the same. graphite is graphite, stiffness is stiffness, balance is balance. i notice how racquets are still measured with the same stats... no need to invent new ones when the old ones will do bc the racquets are minutely different. Wilson's big game changer is taking a couple strings out of the crosses, how many computer simulations did it take them to figure out a more open string pattern produces more spin????????
    and hoave you ever watched how they make racquets, they could easily add lead to teh prahite sheets on the interior of the racquet, but tomato/tomAto just was an observation.


    i am glad Serena uses newer frames, shows a willingness to change and update. but why lie about what actual frame it really is. people will buy Serenas frame so what does it matter if its "new" or not. just leads to a bunch of people complaining about the tactics of the manufactures. sheesh if fed could learn to use a larger head to help produce power and spin he might actually find a way to not lose to Nadal.
     
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    If I remember reading; she got a hold of one of Federer's prototypes rackets 98 sq. inch and she love hitting and serving with it. Venus also love it! Wilson however did not want to supply the William sisters with this racket but they got it worked out! Federer past on the racket! Wilson agreed to supply them the rackets as long as they get the paintjobs on the racket they are endorsing. This racket is not available for purchase!
     
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    Where do you remember reading this?
     
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    I don't think Wilson "did not want to supply" the racquet, they only had one. It was a Blade prototype they were going to get Federer to test. I think he hit with it, gave it back and someone from Wilson let Serena Williams hit with it. She was in Australia and loved he frame. She went on to win the AO playing with just the one frame the whole tournament.
     
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  48. HRB

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    Serena, like a lot of the woman, doesn't get so caught up in the gear, and she can pick up any stick, quickly adjust and deliver a beat down. Men are much more superstitious in this regard, although if they gave any decent racquet a decent amount of time to adjust they'd do just fine.

    I like having a bag with my 2 main sticks (6.1 95's) and a couple "guest stars" (currently an old Head Pure Comp, and Prince 03 speed port tour). For kicks I'll switch up mid match and I swear it ****es off my opponents seeing that my game doesn't drop and often improves.

    Granted my sticks are all in similar spec ranges and styles, but the fact is we get to caught up in miniscule differences.

    Then again...when huge amounts of cash in on the line (not us) then I can see being a little more uptight!
     
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  49. ramos77

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    tennis players are just strange people in general..

    name one other sport where they are so pedantic about their equipment?
     
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    > name one other sport where they are so pedantic about their equipment?

    Table Tennis.
     
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