Serena wins female tennis player and athlete of the year, the world yawns "duh"

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  1. Vanhool

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    Espys happened and Serena cleaned up. So expected, not one comment about it here. Thought I'd make a thread to commemorate the occasion anyway.

    She wasn't there because she's playing a tournament. Vika and Masha were....
     
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  2. LotusTang

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    Didn't Djokovic win the best male tennis player award? I might be wrong.
     
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  3. Vanhool

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    He did. And a thread was created. It's a discussion worthy event in his case, but Serena's was never in doubt...female athlete was a bit tougher because of the Olympics...had a gymnast and a swimmer plus the college basketball player that slam dunks.
     
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    Serena is the QUEEN. She won her 50th match of the season yesterday, which is the fastest she's ever done that. It's amazing what she does on a tennis court when she isn't worried about Fashion.
     
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    Serena is the undisputed women's GOAT.
     
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    This thread now has potential to turn into a warzone. :)
     
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    Isn't every thread here born wth that same potential? :)
     
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    Thank you Serena for coming to my very small country and our insignificant small tournament. Your Swedish fans are all greatful at you gracing us with your presence. Unfortunately due to my schedule I cannot watch your matches, not even on TV. :(

    Serena arrives in a private jet to a small town in Sweden. She is treated like a queen that she is and fully deserved too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hJkf1nMnhE

    Good luck in the finals and congrats on the awards!! :D
     
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  9. Vanhool

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    That is soooo sad you can't go - I know you're a big fan. Call in sick if you can (and wear a disguise in case you're caught on camera :)). 10 years from now you'll be glad you did!
     
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    I will do my best to go to Wimbledon next year just to watch Serena and Juan Martin. lol at the disguise thing :) However It would be very unwise of me to call in sick as I have foreign delegates coming. I am dependent on their support for my project.


    Anyway, Serena has the support of the crowd all week but in the final she will be facing a local girl. We love Serena in this country :)
     
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    Well, in that case I suppose you would regret calling in sick :) The disguise is based in real life. My dad skipped work to go to the horse races. That night my mom saw him on the news, the camera following him as he read the racing forms and made all his notes on the way to place his bet. Luckily his boss didn't see it.
     
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    OMG, He was lucky the boss didn't see him lol :D
     
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    I love how she shrugged off not winning Wimbledon so quick. It's not bothering her in the least. We're not worthy :)

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    Not a big fan of ESPN, but the judgement of female tennis player/athlete of the year is correct.
     
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    I didn't catch the show myself, but my friend says it's fan based voting, which actually made it more surprising to me, since more people watch the Olympics than tennis (Serena was in the Olympics, but they didn't show much of her). However, the espn audience is more sports oriented...

    Her last year has to be one of the most dominant ever (I know it's not THE most dominant): Wimbledon singles AND doubles, Olympic gold singles AND doubles, USO, YEC, assorted premier titles, and not sure if FO was counted in this, but since my friend voted right before the show, I'm guessing it was. You can count her losses for the year on one hand, and don't even get me started with injury what ifs.

    A great year, well deserved. I think this is probably her last big year. She will still have some great moments, but I just can't imagine her continuing this dominance at her age and with fresh young people coming up. But to have a career with multiple peaks is pretty special. It's so sad she got sidelined in 2010-11.
     
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    True--no one in the field could match her.

    I tend to agree, but the "fresh young talent" needs to step up to the plate, as thet are just names commentators reference, but they are not really making a daring breakthrough at this point in time.
     
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    Well from a selfish fan standpoint, I don't mind if they take a little longer :)
     
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    Azarenka, Serena and Bartoli each won a slam this year. It's not a one man wrecking machine.
     
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    True about the slams. This award was based on last year. And maybe thru this spring, not sure how it works. But total overall losses are pretty small. Assuming it's July to July, Cincy 12: Kerber (one could argue exhaustion, but I won't); AO 13: Stephens (with double injury, it obviously technically counts but I don't believe it means anything, doesn't count in my book); Doha 13: Azarenka (was she still injured, maybe, but it counts in my book) Wimbledon 13: Lisicki (this one definitely counts, but I dont know if its part of the voting period). I think that's it.

    3 (or 4) losses over the year pretty much is a one woman wrecking machine, but I am definitely not one of those people who think she's unbeatable. I think she is formidable. Maybe unbeatable for some of the lesser players, which is why she'll play slams hobbling around injured. But I think a decent player always has a chance if beating her.

    I think she plays with minor injuries way more often than she lets on and then when they throw her game off, she gets emotional and everything goes to hell. That's when the right top 100 can beat her. Sometimes she's just off like a sleepwalking zombie who periodically comes to life and plays some excellent shots. That's when a top 50 who is consistent and fearless can beat her. Sometimes she's just a little off and the other player is on fire. That's when a top 20 can beat her. Sometimes the other player plays out of their mind. Thats when a top 10 can beat her.

    Just my opinion.
     
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    It would have been like adding insult to injury if Sharapova had to open the envelope, announce Serena as the winner, and then say a few kind and gracious words on her behalf because Serena was not in attendance.
     
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    Yes, no player is unbeatable, but in the second half of 2012, Serena shattered the feild--from veteran, top player to newcomer, the triple threat of Wimbledon, making history at the Olympics, then winning the US Open was a powerful run.

    Thinking of the 2013 AO--the field should have considered themselves lucky SW was injured, as I believe the final would have ended up the same as the last two majors of 2012.
     
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  22. TMF

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    Injury is part of the sport. Other players play through injury against Serena too, so it's not that the entire playing field is healthy while only Serena is crippled.

    Notice her fans ignore Sharapova played back-to-back final in IW and Miami while Serena was much fresher player since she boycotted IW. Big advantage to Serena but her fans wouldn't bring that up but had the situation was the other way around, they would say Maria is lucky that Serena play back-to-back final...blah blah blah
     
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    And if my aunt had a #$%&, she would be my uncle. But I am sure what Maria's new coach will help turn her "rivalry" with Serena around.
     
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  24. TMF

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    This is not a good post.

    the fact remains is her fans only talk about Serena's problems but ignore that other players are human too...they can be injured, tired, not 100%, etc..
     
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    I will leave Masha's excuses to Masha fans, and Vika's excuses to Vika's fans, etc. Making excuses for Serena (and bragging about her) is enough work for me, why would I do their work for them? :)

    But to your point, I still give credit to Kerber, and I think the Cinci situation was similar or worse than Masha's Miami one. It might be noteworthy, but not a free pass. I give Vika credit for Doha, even though SW was probably still injured. She was good enough to fake it, so whatever (same with these losses: W 11 Bartoli, uso 11 Stosur, FO 12 Razzano).

    Injury is definitely part of the game, but both AO losses were of the type that a lot of players would just withdraw. When someone is visibly hobbled (ankle 12, 13) and their serve drops from 100-120 down to 80-85 (back 13), they are clearly not playing close to capacity. She only stepped on court because it was a slam, and she felt her opponent was weak enough that she might still have a chance anyway. If it were a lesser tournament and/or a greater opponent she would have withdrawn. Of course they count as losses, but I don't believe the victories confer bragging rights onto the winners, especially the 2013 match. I watched them both and I would bet the farm that uninjured Serena would have won both (especially 2013, when she almost won on the bad ankle until her back started spasming). Does that mean she would have won both AOs uninjured? No, but I think she would have been the most likely to win. Doesn't matter, though, because she didn't.
     
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  26. dafinch

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    So, you think a fresh Pova might have been able to secure the win, huh? What about the other dozen times? Clearly, for Shoulderpova to beat Serena, something out of the ordinary is gonna have to happen. The other way around, not so much. Sorry, when you lose 13 straight times to somebody-many of them, embarrassing, absolute *** whippings, like that Olympic fiasco, seen by millions world wide, where Pova won one more game than a corpse-you don't get the benefit of the doubt.
     
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