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  1. Maximagq

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    have to toss into the court a bit to get that momentum you seek.

    You really look pretty good there overall.
     
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  3. Tell me I am right here? You try and imitate Djokovic before you serve, you wave you hand around a little like what he does or I am just imagining this?
     
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    You're right. Djokovic is my favorite player :)
     
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  5. Nice, Im gonna give myself a pat on the back for noticing that then! He always seems to wave his racquet around a little, I guess to keep his grip loose.
     
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    I think karlovic does the same
     
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    Nice serves. I think your racket drop is coming too much up the middle of your back rather than staying entirely on the right side of your body. It's kind of hard to tell without slow motion. (I'm so jealous of your warm weather location right now. :() P.S. Defensive Tennis, his avatar is a pic of Djokovic. :)
     
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    Motion is not perfectly economical. some wasted energy in there. Keep that shoulder closed fraction of second longer. Motion is also bit rushed. More knee bend could give you bit extra pop. Toss has to be little more in front of you.
    Entire chain of energy starts with your right leg then transfers up to your arms and hands then your racket like a Whip. Think of Indiana Jones with whip action and how enormous amount of energy is transferred into the tip of the whip.

    Watch this UCLA player Marcos, I am sure you have. See how his small frame of body can generate some tremendous pop on his Serve. I know his motion is bit different than yours but concept is same. Energy coils into his legs with his knee bend then it explodes upward into his arm and his racket like perfect transfer of kinetic energy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgUQ9IQc4aE
     
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  9. ednegroni

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    My suggestion to you: Slow it down and work your way up while trying to twist as most you can.


    Almost all the speed will come from the rotations involved in the serving motion.

    Simply put: The more you can twist your body while pushing off as fast as you can, the faster you will uncoil and the more speed you're able to get. In addition, the better coordinated, the less strength you would lose while transferring energy from feet to racquet.
     
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    Is that You, Party rock ? How was Aza doing ?
     
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    I like Marcos' motion, very efficient use of the legs and kinetic chain. I'll keep that in mind :)
     
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    Your motion is not looking smooth.

    Serve motion in video at
    0:04 good.
    0:05 not good.

    1. Your right arm should be loose and point the tip of the racket facing
    ground.
    2. Tossing arm straight when ball reaches top.

    Lot of flaws you should re-learn it. Look at the picture below.

    [​IMG]
     
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    What do you mean by 0:04 and 0:05? 0:04 in the first video and 0:05 in the 2nd video?
    Edit: never mind, you're referring to the first one I believe?
     
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    Yes the first video at 0:05 watch your right hand and compare to the picture.
     
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    What grip are you using? It looks more eastern FH than conti but a bit hard to tell from the angle. Your elbow appears quite low at trophy but again, the angle makes it a bit hard to tell. You also appear to be making contact a bit far out to the right. That will create more slice spin.

    All in all a very decent serve though.
     
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    I use a continental on first serves and a little bit more towards the eastern backhand on second serves but I do make contact too far out to the right. That's why I can't really flatten it out very well. Thanks for the input :)
     
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    It is hard to tell from the angle in the videos, but it seems you aren't making it into the court.

    With a platform stance weight transfer and the archer's bow are even more important than in pinpoint.

    You have to start with your weight on the back foot, then as you toss the ball you begin leaning into the court with your back turned. See how Djoko's legs begin to bend sideways a bit after his ball toss. You also need to create a stretch with you tossing arm and left hip as you are doing this. The final component is you need to toss the ball much further into the court. You should really be reaching for it up high and out in front.

    This raonic video shows it perfectly done. It is one of the reasons he get so much power. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkgZOvm7ySA
     
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    Alright, quick recap from all the comments.
    1. More shoulder turn and relaxed motion
    2. Straighter left arm toss
    3. Racket drop to the right of the body instead of behind my back.
    4.Higher right elbow at trophy position
    5. Contact and toss further out in front to get momentum into court.
     
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    Ah I can notice it, Raonic after he launches himself into the court lands at least 2-3 feet inside. I'm not moving in at all :( I'll take note of that!
     
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    Also see in the 5th djoko picture how he gets in the legs fully bent and and reaches an almost sitting position? Raonic reaches this same position just before he launches up toward the ball.

    The easiest way to do this whole process is to focus on reaching that position after you start transferring your weight forward. You kind of push down and out with your left hip and feel a bit of a stretch in the butt area.
     
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    Your videos were most often framed to miss ball contact. Don't frame areas of court below your feet and miss the ball impact.

    With regular speed video you cannot catch the final arm & racket acceleration to the ball impact because it is much too fast (<20 milliseconds). See comments on optimizing video for the serve this thread.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=478319

    Improve the video framing. If you want to understand the serve consider a high speed video camera from Santa.

    One way to show your serve's ball impacts with the camera located behind -- If you can find any frames with impact use the MS Windows "Snipping Tool" to capture part of that frame and make a jpeg. Upload the jpeg file to a free photo hosting site such as Snapfish or Tinypics. On the site, right click on the picture and select "Copy Image Location". When composing a reply select the icon above that looks like mountains. Paste the 'image location' into the box that appears.

    For recent threads on serving techniques and optimal use of video cameras -
    Search this forum: camera behind Chas Tennis
     
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    My cousin was recording haha but yeah not the best angle to analyze my serve for those two videos.
     
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    Snipping Tool (Windows 7) capture from frame in your video.
    [​IMG]

    If you are contacting the ball....(?).... with that angle in your elbow you are not doing what high level servers are doing. Their arms are about straight at impact. There is an angle between the forearm and racket.

    It addition, - I don't know this but suspect - accelerating the racket with a bent elbow could be stressing your arm in some way that might cause Golfer's Elbow injury. ??

    Examine the arms and forearm-racket angles for high level servers at impact.
    https://vimeo.com/user6237669/videos
     
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    You might be interested to learn, or maybe you already know, that Nole used to have a much lower elbow at trophy but changed his position a few years ago.
     
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    That's a solid serve, very consistent as seen from match play! Looks like the changes you need to make are very slight...

    For more pace you can try pointing your left foot slightly more into the court along with moving the toss several inches over to the left, and more in front.

    What stands out most to me is upper body. You switched from a semi-pinpoint/spring loaded type of serve to platform, which effectively moves your center of balance back and to the left a bit. Your upper body still wants to go forward and to the right more with the toss and swing that you had before, but when you change stance, the other two have to adjust a bit as well...this may also be why your racket drop is more to the left, since you're trying to reach out to that hitting location. Looks very Djokovic-like, but he's so flexible he can get away with a "sideways" archer's bow...most of us can't.

    Side question: how does the amplifeel 95 hit? :)
     
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    I really like the racket. It feels really solid with a lot of stability, control, and power. Great racket overall imo
     
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    What did you switch from already? Wasn't it a Speed? EDIT: Nah, the Speed belongs to a certain someone from Marina High IIRC...
     
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    I always used the Wilson six one 95 16 x 18. MarinaHighTennis used the Speed
     
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    The UCLA chap (blue/white - Marcos) is phenomenal. So much power and athleticism.

    Is he doing well? He should be tough to beat.
     
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    Marcos should be UCLA's number one!
     
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    He's got the nicest serve I've seen outside the tour. I mean it. Guys like Klahn have bigger serves, but for someone under six feet tall, wow.
     
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    His serve and game are really so clean and efficient. I will get more videos of him and share with everyone :)
     
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    Do you know Marcos ? have you met him? what kind of guy is he in real person ? seems little bit spoiled to me.
     
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    I've talked to him a few times and he seems like a good guy. He can be a little hot-headed at times during practice but overall he is a great person.
     
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    I second this (for what is worth) and as a result your heels lift up(you are not flat footed), especially if you also show your belly to the sky :)
     
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    Thanks for all the advice everyone! I will try to work on it and maybe get a video up within the next week.
     
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    What are you complaining about?
    Nice safe second serve.
    Flatten it out if you want to win points with it.
    Since you don't use your legs, don't drive into the court, don't jump, nor do you try to hit flat, this is all you're gonna get for your effort you put in.
     
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    If you played against him, what would the score be ?
     
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    Marcos would kick my butt 6-0
     
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