...as in back to square 1. due to injuries the wall and solo practice has revealed an interesting dilemma on the serve grip and I'm wondering if anyone can help here. I've never had what I would call a great serve and overhead. Good power but never enough control. Moving my index knuckle onto bevel-3 (eastern forhand) allows me to hit the serve more above me and direct it better, i'm also seeing an arc on my heavy balls that i've never seen before, like a topspin on the serve, apparently due to a much faster snap. It also allows me to take overheads in line with my body and snap them down, instead of resorting to spin. But everything I've seen endorses the continental for serves and overheads. The serve - using a continental grip (bevel-2), I take the racquet above me with a firm grip. Note how the face is angled slightly; net | \ racquet. Hitting the ball further in front of the body will only increase the angle, so will moving the toss more above me. To offset this angle, I start with my back more toward the net and snap toward the fence generating 8-2 or 7-1 spin. I am unable to flatten and really snap hard with a firm feel this way. I cannot seem to incorporate a strong pronation and flatten out the ball on the serve with a continental. It doesn't feel like I'm getting a full range of pronation either, as in laying the wrist back pronated and twisting the forearm and wrist through. It feels like loading up for a karate chop, no way to get the wrist to lay back for a quick snap. I think about how my forhand (eastern forehand) is easy to lay back and pronate with a firm grip. Thanks in advance!