Serve speed guns/radar

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  1. NLBwell

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    Taylor Dent hit a serve around 150 (don't remember # exactly) against Agassi and still lost the point.
     
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  2. LeeD

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    Yeah, it's better to have a 93 mph serve as your fastest, because that's about the average of some former No1's in the world....Connors, Agassi, McEnroe.
     
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    What does that mean?
     
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  4. Dan Lobb

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    In 1959, Gonzales was measured at 112 mph, and Hoad at 110 mph. These were the two hardest hitters of their era, harder than Laver or Emerson, so how do you explain the discrepancy?
    The answer is where the ball is measured, because it is fastest right off the raquet face, where it is measured today, and slows down by the time it reaches the returner at the opposite baseline.
     
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  5. Limpinhitter

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    If memory serves (no pun), you are referring to forehand speeds, not serve speeds. In any event, what you are saying is consistent with what NonP is saying - they changed the location to measure serve speeds from when the ball passed over the net to immediately after contact. NonP seems to think that change occurred around 2000. I thought it was a little later than that. But, there seems to be no dispute that a change was made.
     
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    And Steve Denton did it with that moustache into the wind.
     
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  7. Dan Lobb

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    No, these were reputed to be "cannonball" first serves in the tests, using 1959 equipment. Reported in SI, 1959 and 1960.
     
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  8. LeeD

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    I doubt they changed the position, or if they did, it'd make little difference.
    ColinDibley was known for the biggest serve in the '70's. He's almost 6'4", super long gangly arms, had almost no game like Dr.Ivo, and the serve allowed him to stay on the tour for a few years.
    VictorAmaya was a lefty, 6'6" tall, and as strong as Phillipousis/Kraijeck/Raonic.
    Those guys would be in the top 15 in service speeds today. You can teach 6'6".
    The fact that most "normal" pros, from Kriek through Stockton, Rameriz, all served in the lowest 130's, or high 120's, makes it seem reasonable.
    I'd say Milos and Dr.Ivo, with Andy, still have the highest serve speeds, but the old farts weren't all that far behind.
    Most of you have played tennis with wood rackets. Some of you actually got to a decent level. You know the actual speed between wood and HeadPros or YonexGreens was only about 5 mph.
     
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  9. Limpinhitter

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    You are presuming that the practice of measuring serve speed at the net in the 90's was what was practiced in the 80's and 70's. I don't know that to be true, or whether there was any uniform method of measuring serve speed in any of those decades.
     
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  10. LeeD

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    Don't think it really affected the speeds.
    In the '90's, Phillipousis and Kraijeck has serves into the highest 130's, and both hit first serves with some spin, not dead flat. Goran hit with a little spin also. In the '80's, Tanner's serve were indeed tough, but not as fast as the fastest because he also hit with some spin. Rudseski always was noted to hit into the 140's in the '90's, and he hit really flat when going up the T in ad court.
    We know Sampras hit with heavy spin, into the lowest 130's. I'd bet, had he flattenned it out, it'd go into the 140's, but he never did.
    Speeds seem very consistent thru the years.
    In 1977, LowellBarnhardt won the amateur division at GoldenGateway. His 129 + a fraction was hit with heavy spin. He was known to hit the fastest serves at GoldenGatePark in SanFrancisco, even throwing in the A level players. One of the top 5 A players, PeterPearson, who qualified for the first round, probably realistically served around 100. He played BobbyLutz, who's serve certainly seemed at least 30 mph faster than Peters.
    As I say, the modern players are more fit, run baseline to baseline faster, hit much harder groundstrokes, have weaker volleys, and about the same service speeds.
     
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