Serving wide to the ad court

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  1. Paunchy Gandalf

    Paunchy Gandalf New User

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    Hi all,

    What is the right technique for serving wide into the ad court without taking pace off the ball? I end up serving a slow serve which the opponent can read from the moment I start my upward swing. Any and all tips will be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,

    PG
     
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  2. nippurr

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    If opponent is r/h and uses one hand b/h I go wide w/heavy kick (topspin). Make him come in and try to take it on the rise or else have to hit shoulder or head high ball. If 2/h backhand I hit hard slice to b/h corner of box(adjust for his positioning) so ball veers into his body. Works at 4.0 and 4.5. (usually) Worst mistake is going too wide to 2 hand b/h. They can then easily beat you w/sharp cross court angle.
     
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  3. kevhen

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    I go wide with a flat serve by swinging like I am going up the middle but turning my wrist slightly inward so that the racquet face is aiming out wide. This takes a little pace off a very hard serve and allows it to drop in. The opponent is often flat-footed and fooled thinking the serve is coming up the middle since the arm swing is in that direction. I am getting about 30% of these in these days and most are aces on the ad court and pulling the opponent out wide so I can serve up the T more effectively too. Can anyone tell me how to serve out wide on the deuce court and still hit with good pace. My slice serve can take my opponent off the court but it's seldom an ace and I often lose these extreme angle points. I can't seem to get the hard flat one in when going wide on the deuce side.
     
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  4. Robert Jones

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    For r/h I think its much easier to serve wide on duece. Any slice, twist serve is heading that way anyway. Don't go 100% flat, hit with some twist component. You can serve almost as hard as a flat plus the ball will be moving sideways from the spin.
     
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  5. kevhen

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    OK, maybe I will try to hit it with less spin, but still try to put some spin on it. I do lose some directional control when I add spin though, so I aim farther in from the sideline. When I hit my normal slice serve, I aim straight ahead at the center T and it ends up out by the singles sideline, but it doesn't have enough pace to get me an ace usually. I may experiment with different grips, like a semi-continental for this in-between slice and flat type of serve outwide on the deuce court.
     
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  6. lendl lives

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    how about this one. i'm working on developing a great serve that spins away from the player when hit out wide on the duece court. how would you hit a serve that spins away from a player when hit out wide on the ad court? (i'm right handed)
     
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  7. C_Urala

    C_Urala Semi-Pro

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    Try http://www.tennis4you.com/lesson-lounge/tennis4you/serve/4-different-serves.htm

    They call it kick serve there.
     
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  8. C_Urala

    C_Urala Semi-Pro

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    Well, I guess if you can make that flat wide serve from the ad court, you can do the same from the duece court. You do everything as if you want to serve up the T, but you turn your wrist to a less extent. I think it's even easier, because your wrist remains in more natural position (less pronated)

    Did I miss something?
     
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  9. lendl lives

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    curala,

    thanks for the site. no wonder my serve sucks. half this stuff i didn't know. since i got back into tennis i have only seen the flat and slice serves. no topspin or kickers. now that i think back many of the people i played against in high school who stuck with tennis became open level players and they hit big kickers out wide back then. ohhh memories. GREAT i have something to practice.
     
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  10. kevhen

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    I have seen a guy hit a serve that spun out wide from the ad court but he served with a western grip and hit the ball with reverse sidespin like a lefty.

    I guess all flat serves could be hit up the center T with the same motion and downward wrist snap, but just using a different grip so the ball goes left (Continental), straight (Eastern), or right (Western). I guess I need to experiment with this, since I am hitting more flat serves again lately and need a better flat serve out wide from the deuce court.
     
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  11. kevhen

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    Since I stand next to the center line when I serve, my wide serves on the deuce side tend to hit the tape or go long. I could move over 4-5 feet like where most pros stand but I don't feel comfortable there and it makes the Center T serve more difficult.
     
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  12. chadw01

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    Well since you can only serve to one spot at a time, you have to give yourself some room for that wide serve on the AD side.

    Move away from the center line a bit (I've seen players serve from the doubles alley in a singles match before) and you'll have more room to kick it out wide.
     
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  13. @wright

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    Serving from the dubs alley in singles is against the rules. But do move around to give yourself more of an angle. Mix it up so your opponent won't know where you're going by where you're standing when you serve. I serve from all the way to the doubles line to the very middle.
     
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  14. kevhen

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    Yes, I do move outwide on the deuce side to hit the slicer, but when hitting hard and flat, it's better to be closer to the center for many reasons like being closer to the net for a better downward angle and also being in better position for when the return comes back since they do usually come back quickly when you serve the hard flat one.
     
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  15. C_Urala

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    I meant that you even don't have to change grips. You only have to pronate your forearm to a different degree. If you have continental grip, hitting to the left or straight up the T should not be a problem. To hit to the right, you have to pronate much more. But you said you already can do it. So hitting to the left should be like a piece of cake to you.
    Sorry, I just don't get it how you can hit a flat serve to the right and cannot do it to the left?!
     
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  16. kevhen

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    I did find something that worked last night when hitting wide from the deuce court. I used a semi-continental grip and aimed for the center of the box and then with a little bit of spin, the ball spun out to the corner, dropped in, and I forced some errors and even aced a couple first serves. I think the ball was moving in the 90's so I did't lose too much pace and this also helped open up the court for serving up the T. I will be working more and more on this serve. Of course for some reason I struggled serving wide on the ad court last night. You win some and you lose some! :)
     
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  17. Robert Jones

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    Where is the twist serve on that site? Thats about the most common serve.

    For a RH player

    1. Slice you hit the ball at 3 oclock (perspective from behind ball) Its not easy to learn as that site suggested. The twist is probably the easiest to learn. Slices are lower percentage.

    2. Twist - Hit the ball 1:30. Combo of side and topspin. Easy to learn and high percentage serve.

    3. Topspin - 100% topspin serves. Have to hit the ball from 6 to high noon on the ball.

    4. Kick - did this use to be called "American twist"? Seems to be a difficult serve to learn since its hit from 8 to 2 oclock.
     
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