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  1. McEnborg

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    Sharapova did exactly what I thought. She finally played some decent tennis, for one set. Then, she gives herself all this pumping up #$%$. Then, reality hits her that she has a chance to win, and she FOLDS like the choker she is. This is a freaking re-run...seeing her gag against Serena. She can't handle the pressure and then starts to play stupid, nervous, error prone tennis. SharaCHOKA.

    I miss the Seles-Graf and Evert-Martina matches. THAT was high quality women's finals
     
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  2. axel89

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    wrong forum
     
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  3. Onehandedbackhand

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    This "choking" garbage gets on my nerves.

    Serena's one of the top 5-7 greatest tennis players to ever live. She's going to come back in matches, and she's going to win. This does not mean Maria stinks, or she choked.

    Get real...please.
     
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    What a crock... Serena choked on the first set, or else Maria wouldn't have gotten 1 set. This was huge for Maria, it's the first set she's won off Serena since 2008, 5 years..... Get real, Serena rules.
     
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  5. Tanya

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    Losing the last 10 games of the match isn't choking, it's getting flat-out beaten.
     
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    It's inexplicable that someone who has a career grand slam and has won countless other tournaments can be called a choker, as if it defined her personality. Chokers don't win as often as she does. She ran into the best player in the world today, with the expected result.
     
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  7. McEnborg

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    Sorry, you guys are flat out wrong. I never said she hasn't had a great career or that she hasn't had big wins.

    I said that when she plays Serena, she CHOKES. Yes, she chokes. Have you watched the matches over the years? While Serena can be overpowering at times, Sharapova often plays very, very poorly against her. She overhits, doesn't work points, plays stupidly, chokes on her serve.

    I've watched most of their big matches. Sharapova does not raise her game. She is not mentally tough enough. Sorry, you guys aren't keeping it real. Get access to the matches and closely watch them. I'm far from the only person who feels Maria wilts under the pressure of Serena.
     
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  8. McEnborg

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    Why is this wrong forum?
     
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  9. mmk

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    Because right under the link to this forum is this:

    Talk about anything Pro.. Except Match Results!

    This should have been in the Pro Match Results
     
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    Those rules made sense in the days when you got you daily news from your newspaper
     
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    Gotta agree with these guys. The OP is flat out wrong.
     
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  12. Relinquis

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    spoilers... should be in the pro-results forum.

    10spoilers
     
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  13. sureshs

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    Perhaps the special evening edition of the paper will have the results? I can't wait.
     
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  14. McEnborg

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    Sorry guys, you can be a great player and still choke. Maria chokes against Serena. WATCH the matches over the years. Watch the Gold Medal match. Maria sucked. Serena is not so much better than Sharapova that she should win 22 of the last 25 sets, 11 matches in a row, some matches like 1 and 1 or 0 and 2. Come on. Give me a break.

    It's like you guys are just joining in your little clique and not actually addressing what happens in the matches. Go watch the Gold Medal match if you can find it. Maria chokes against Serena. It's very, very obvious.

    Azerenka has more mental toughness against Serena than Maria has ever had. So do some other players. Maria doesn't change her game, doesn't mix things up, doesn't play enough percentage tennis, doesn't make adjustments. She should have never gotten bageled in the last set of the fifth major of a huge event. She folds.

    Also, this spoiler thing is nonsense. The match was over hours ago and was all over the US on national TV.
     
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  15. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    True.

    "Choking" implies Sharapova had a chance, when it was clear she was throwing everything into that one set. However, as usual, whatever gameplan she had did not last long, SW read it quickly, and the rest was typical SW vs Sharapova history.
     
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  16. pound cat

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    When you lose to the same player 13 times in a row, and ranking wise you should be able to defeat that player, Sharapova didn't choke. She just isn't as good as Williams, Period.
     
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  17. フェデラー

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    This was still choking though. She was up a set, up a break in the second (and that was her second time breaking Serena in that set). She was also playing at a very high level for those first 1 and 1/2 sets and Serena wasn't playing poorly. This was her prime chance and she blew it big time.
     
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  18. pound cat

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    I wonder how the other 12 losses played out. I wouldn't be surprised if the pattern of play was similar to the Miam 2013 final. Serena is the queen of getting her game together half way through the match.
     
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    I wonder how the other 12 losses played out. I wouldn't be surprised if the pattern of play was similar to the Miam 2013 final. Serena is the queen of getting her game together half way through the match.
     
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  20. McEnborg

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    I understand what you're trying to get at...but if you watch the matches over the years, Maria often rushes, doesn't adjust, overhits, has poor shot selection, stops truly fighting and stops believing in herself-especially when she might have a chance.
     
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    Well some of us had to work today and were looking forward to watching on dvr tonight. Luckily I'm getting off really late tonight, couldn't stand the suspense and already peeked at the score. Usually I don't, though....

    I probably wouldn't have peeked at the score, but it was sharapova, soooooo.......
     
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  22. Hitman

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    2008? Really? WOW! I didn't know that Serena was dominating Maria to such a degree that it had been years since Maria even won a set.
     
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  23. rainingaces

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    Serina is a bad match up for her. Serena returns Maria's serve with ease especially the 2nd, serena knows sharas spots and the pace she hits (incapable of mixing pace or spin).

    The worst match ups for serena are people who mix pace, give her a lot of junk and different depths, have good net play thats how Bartoli beat her at Wimbledon. After 11 defeats in a row maybe sharapova should sack her coach.
     
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  24. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Bartoli "beat" a SW who was just two events back after her absence due to the pulmonary embolism issue, so she was match "cold." However, if Bartoli's alleged mixed pace, varying depths and net play meant anything (oh, come on--Bartoli is no net wonder), then it did not matter later that summer at Stanford, when Serena beat her in two sets.

    The point being Bartoli only won against a recovering Serena. Before and since that Wimbledon match, Serena handled her, and knows how to counter Bartoli's game.
     
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  25. moonballs

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    I agree with the guy who said wrong forum. I just read this thread after watching the match in DVR. Had I read the title of this thread first, half of the suspense would be gone. The second set was pretty tight at the beginning especially after the first set went to the player less favored to win.
     
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  26. Cfidave

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    There is no woman who can beat Serena when she is playing her best, and not injured. Sharapova did well to take a set, everything Maria does, Serena does better, except scream.
     
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    I thought her current coach is relatively new.. I don't closely follow WTA, but I thought that's what I heard the TV commentators say. Certainly she hasn't had the current coach for all 11 of those years.
     
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  28. フェデラー

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    I don't think there is any one style that is good against Serena. Aga can junkball all she wants but we all have seen how effective that is. The only players that have been able to beat her consistently are legends of the sport, namely Henin and Hingis. Some of the other better female tennis players of this decade, like Davenport and Clijsters, are still too one dimensional against her and that's why she dominated even them. Henin and Hingis were shotmakers, good servers, consistent, etc. Even then, Serena was still beating these great players even while she had barely been on the tour. You pretty much need to be good at everything to beat her. Hell, Serena even beat Steffi in '99 and that was right before Steffi won the FO.
     
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  29. NadalAgassi

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    When you look at the few players with reasonably close H2Hs vs Serena they all have skill sets nobody on the current WTA possess:

    Venus- Could match Serena in all of serving, firepower, athleticsm, and at times in mental strength. Nobody else could do all this.

    Henin- Had tremendous defense and variety, but also had huge firepower, only a notch below someone like Serena, to go with that.

    Hingis- Had an outstanding all court game and Evert level precision, change of direction ability, and point construction.

    Capriati- OK no idea how she did so well, but she was basically a better version of Azarenka`s current game.


    Serena still dominating womens tennis at 31 is simply incredible. No women in tennis history was still dominating and the best player on the planet still at 31, not Court, not Navratilova, not Evert, not Graf, only Serena. I think it is becoming increasingly evident why more and more people are realizing Serena is the best female tennis player in history.
     
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  30. Rjtennis

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    She has had a ton of loses to Serena and nerves have played a part, but I think most of it comes down to a bad match-up for Maria.
     
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    Repeating this ad nauseum doesn't make it true.
     
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  32. keithfival

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    I've never been a fan of Serena to say the least, but she is starting to win me over a tiny bit with her play these days. Her level of play that last set and a half was just ridiculous, retrieving everything and spraying winners from every conceivable position. The notion that Maria choked is a freaking joke. Epic hitting by both but SW's speed and athleticism just give her a big edge and she just rose to a level that Maria couldn't match.

    Amazing how aggressive they both are on every point! The men are so much more cautious, it was kind of hilarious to see the men's match afterwards - no one wants to hit the ball out!
     
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  33. フェデラー

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    Serena and Sharapova are more agressive than Ferrer and Murray.
     
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  34. 3lite

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    Who cares we all watch Sharapova for the eye candy.
     
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  35. Amelie Mauresmo

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    I agree with the OP to a certain extent Maria DID CHOKE she was up 6-4 3-2 she had just broken Serena all she needed to do was hold serve two more times and the match would be OVER. However, Sharapova did NOT win another game in the match. Sharapova's coach admonished her during the change over at the end of the second set told her to stop whining and keep on fighting. But Maria did NOT she just gave up mentally when Serena fought back.
     
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  36. Amelie Mauresmo

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    Well the answer is obvious Serena's SERVE is the huge difference between her and Graf, Navratilova, Evert, Court and the rest.

    Serena Williams has the BEST serve in women's tennis history she serves as good as the men. I know there are a lot of misogynists on this board BUT Serena can serve as good as the guys. Serena's serve has incredible variety she can hit slice, she can hit a kick serve, she can hit the flat serve or the wide serve.

    Serena has also ACED Novak Djokovic twice in mixed doubles play at the Perth event a few years ago. Even the ATP pros have praised Serena's serve they know her serve is awesome. For a woman to have the kind of serve Serena has it sets her apart from the rest of the WTA Tour because it is a huge weapon.

    A lot of these WTA players are LAZY they don't work on their serves. Look at Azarenka she's almost six feet tall YET she can't serve over 107 mph it is about her technique. Li Na has an okay serve but she can't serve huge either. It is very strange to see these tall women that cannot serve.

    Very few women can MATCH Serena in terms of serving ability I can only think of perhaps two Samantha Stosur and Nadia Petrova and that's it. Venus serve has gone down due to her back injury and age. Maria Sharapova has a decent serve when it is on but it is still a bit inconsistent but she's improving it. But really the serve is such a huge weapon Serena has because she can easily win 1 or two easy points per game hitting 120 mph bombs.
     
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  37. Relinquis

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    sharapova didn't choke.. she was beaten
     
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  38. Amelie Mauresmo

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    I disagree, Venus at her best can beat Serena at her best I think the 2008 Wimbledon final was proof of this. When Venus was healthy, confident and her game was on not even Serena could stop her. Venus beat Serena in straight sets to win the 2008 Wimbledon rather easily 7-5 6-4.
     
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  39. NadalAgassi

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    Just like you repeating ad nuaseum your fantasy that Sharapova is one of Serenas biggest threats (you are so delusional you even voted for her as the toughest opponent for an in form form Serena of todays top 10 on the poll on said topic, ROTFL!!!) will never make it true. Atleast my statement is closer to true than the majority of yours will ever be.
     
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  40. SerenaSlam01

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    That isn't choking...That is just flat-out being beaten to a pulp.
    Why do you have such sour grapes when Maria loses? Why so mad? Get a life.
     
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  41. Overdrive

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    What are you talking about? :confused:

    She's not eye candy..
     
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  42. Soianka

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    That's the way Maria usually plays against everyone.

    That's her game.

    She's just generally able to overpower most other players but she can't overpower Serena.
     
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  43. Relinquis

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    she has nice legs...
     
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    So does Jankovic, so does S.Williams, so does Bartoli, so does Radwankswa, so does Wozniacki...

    Your point is...?
     
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  45. Relinquis

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    her legs are nicer than the aforementioned... but to each their own.

    what was your point again?
     
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  46. Overdrive

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    Exactly.

    I was condoning the statement someone said that Sharapova is 'eye candy'. :confused:
     
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    She is fugly. Whoever thinks she is "eye candy" must be watching tennis from behind bars.
     
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    Sharapova - damn hot! One of my ATF's altho I think Genie Bouchard may be even better looking

    Not I'm not behind bars
     
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    You know she was with the middle -aged Comrade Putin years ago right?
     
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    Hey I'm sure he's washed out and off by now:twisted:

    If I was rich enough I would make a play. Of course at 5'7" I would never stand a chance.

    Oh well back to reality. which isn't bad at all frankly.
     
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