Sharapova should listen to Seles

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  1. Serve and Volley

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    * On becoming a U.S. citizen in 1994: "It was the happiest day of my life. Playing in the Olympics in Atlanta in 1996 and representing our country was the biggest honor I’ve ever had. It surpasses all the tournaments I played in."
    Monica Seles


    The USA has given everything to Sharapova. Her father brought her here at about the age of 7 with $200 bucks in his pocket. It saved her from Chernobyl and welcomed her with open arms and taught her how to play tennis and make money as a model.

    Her own compatriots did not want to accept her on the Russian team because they felt she was not really "Russian". She speaks perfect English far better than she does Russian and she lives in the USA.

    So why the hell does she play for Russia? Even Golovin plays for her adopted country of France. Maria is one ungrrateful little beatch.
     
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    It's possible that she feels it's her only connection to her heritage, and it's no business of yours or mine to be judging it.
     
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    If Masha desires to play for Russia, why shouldn't she?? Even though she speaks english fluently and lives in the USA, it's still her decision. And BTW her nationality is actually unimportant, Maria will always be the same girl, we all know, no matter if she is Russian or American;)
     
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    She's a public figure. All kinds of criticism are to be expected, and to think otherwise is ridiculous.

    And in all practicality, I feel her "Russianess" is manufactured.
     
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    Given everything to Sharapova? Why does the USA give "these things" to each and every American? Oh right, she worked hard for it and she has talent, not like a lot of Americans who sit around feeling they are entitled to something and doesn't do a damn thing to improve their lives. What Sharapova wants to do with her citizenship is her own PERSONAL business.
     
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    Its for her to decide. Its like how everyone flamed Cljisters for dropping tennis and wanting to start a family.
     
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    that's a ridiculous thread!!! she's russian and has never spoken about changing her nationality,so why the hell you made this thread?? actually what's the point of this thread when herself has said she wants to play for russia at olympics??
     
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    The OP feels Sharapova(the Russian) is "benefiting" from America and that Sharapova should show gratitude by becoming a US citizen.
     
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    I seriously expected a thread on screaming.
     
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    Only connection? I seriously doubt it...

    Once again, you show what a dimwit you really are. Yes, at the end of the day it is HER decision, fair enough, I dont dispute that. Nationality is actually VERY important, it changes LIVES on a daily basis...

    Haha!

    On a serious note. In a way its a double edged sword. If she becomes American, she'll get hassled by the Russians and some Americans alike, especially since her surname is far from sounding American. If she stays Russian, well posts like these only show how some people feel about this matter. I could careless what she does with her citizenship. With the amount of money and fame she has, she could be from any country and live anywhere.
     
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    Agreed. It's not like America is handing out grand slam titles and buckets of cash to any pretty Russian girl who asks for it, she gave it herself by working hard. There are probably another few thousand Russians who tried to make in tennis by coming to America but received nothing.
     
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    maria lives here, and pay tons of taxes here. she does more for the usa than you or your family of trolls will ever do. what difference does it make whether she has citizenship or not? do you think serena or venus williams would be anymore accepting of maria than her fellow russians, on any national team? and saying ALL her compatriots do not except her is just your opinion.
     
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    And how exactly would it change Marias?
     
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    She should definitely become an American Citizen.
     
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    Maybe you should follow Fed Cups news more often.
     
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  16. masha4ever#1

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    no, it only shows how dorky you are. We are talking about Maria the tennis star, I doubt that becoming an American Citizen, would change her live.;)

    BTW how exactly whould it change Maria's?? Sorry, but writing a thesis without a decent argumentation is bloody stupid in my eyes.
     
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    Word. I have to laugh at those who think Sharapova is indepted to the USA. I don't like her, but what she did achieve, she achieved by her own. She pays huge amount of taxes in the US, that should be more than enough.
     
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    probably he knows more about fed cup than you, of course just related to the Russian team.

    Maria is certainly not accepted by all of her teammates, but she has a great friendship with kirilenko...don't forget that;)
     
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    Oh FFS. Do we all need to start taking reading classes? When did I say HER nationality. You quoted me right? Well read the damn thing that you quoted.

    "Dorky" ? Once again, you are a dimwit. READ, yes READ what I originally posted, and come back before yapping away. God how stupid are you really? Do I have to start writing in crayons for you to understand? Seriously.
     
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    @ mister G

    well, then how would it change the life of an average people?? What's about that?? You're such an EXPERT, i think you can easily answer that.;)

    Please don't write any crackbrained thesis. Seriously!!:mad:
     
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    But I thought this was a discussion on Marias nationality. If you're not talking about Maria then how is it relevant? Prison libraries change lives too, but I doubt that matters here.
     
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    don't believe everything you read. and i'm sure not all people consider you there brother or sister either.
     
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    totally agree, this is a discussion on Maria. It seems that he just wants to hijack this thread by writing nonsense
     
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  24. Serve and Volley

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    In one word: Gratitude.
     
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    shed pay more taxes:-(
     
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    I don't think you would change your citizenchip, just because for living in a foreign country?? Would you?? All her family members are Russians, she was born in Russia, in my eyes Maria is simply Russian.;)
     
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    She should be grateful to her family and herself, thats all. The US wouldn't let her Mother join them in the US due to visa restrictions, so her family was torn apart for a long time.
    Nick Bollettieri has a Tennis Academy because he wants to be famous and make money. He needs people like Maria, and Tommy Haas, etc, because they make him look good, he wasn't dishing out any favours you know, or feeling sorry for her, she was talented, made sacrifices and worked hard.
     
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    Actually you are wrong. My family fled a communist country to live in the USA. This country has given us so much that I would die defending this country.
     
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    ok, well, you prove me wrong, I'm glad compared to some other guys you did it in very a decent and polite way;)
     
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    Well people like Maria are perhaps different because when she looks at what she has 'been given' it's probably tiny compared to what she 'has earned'.

    I travelled around the world at 17 with just a plane ticket from my native country, and have made something of my life in the profession I dreamed of as a boy. I now live in England, and as much as I love this country, believe me, I know that I had to work hard and fight. I have thought about giving up my nationality but I love my country. There can never be a country that feels more special to me than the country I was born in and grew up in.
     
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    and yet you still left your "country" and you do not consider England your country. If not for England and the freedoms that make it possible where would you be? Probably in some prison cell for daring to critcize the government.

    I was raised that if someone does something really nice for me like save my life I owe them something back.
     
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    Fair enough, totally agree, if they saved your life then gratitude is definitely due.
     
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    I wouldn't become a US Citizen for all of the money in the world I don't blame her one bit!
     
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    My family and I also owe a debt of gratitude to the US for taking us in as refugees from the El Salvadoran civil war in 1979.

    I hope Maria someday chooses to become an American citizen, as I would be proud to have her represent the US.
     
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    I love the complete ignorance of those who are born and raised in 1st world country. Some of you have no idea what it is to deal with visas, and how important one passport can be to change someones life.

    @ Rhino

    You should start talking about library books again since it seems that we are not talking about Maria's nationality anymore which in your words isnt relevant to this thread... I merely stated before that nationality was an important matter (not necessarily Marias obviously) - but one should take pride where they were born/raised etc. If thats "irrelevant" to this topic, fine.

    @ masha

    No words can describe how stupid I think you really are. You probably live under the wings of your parents, at home. Just think about your favourite tennis player...

    You think Sharapova went to the US because she wanted to see Disneyland?

    No.

    People emmigrate to different countries (in many cases illegally) to give themselves a better chance at life. Do you not know this? This is the world and how it is. You can already examples in this very thread. Get out of your little village and live a little before commenting on how you think nationality is of little importance and doesnt affect a persons life...

    Oh and PS. The next time I reply to your question of debate - Dont cry your eyeballs off to a mod so he removes my thread just because I shut you up.
     
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    No one who is not Russian can understand the attachment of Russians to Mother Russia. They love their country so much it's almost a physical ache.
     
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    Relax dude, you take this whole thing way too seriously. Mods delete on their own, i doubt anybody would bother complaining about just another wound up guy who fires off a couple of cheap insults.

    especially when there is an awesome match on Sky Sports!
     
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  38. Mister G

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    That last comment wasn't directed at you.
     
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    What country do you live in?
     
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    Thats true and it sickens me. I was at dinner with this rich russian dude. he escaped Communist Russia to make millions in this country. He is also now a US citizen. Anyway, we were watching the olympics and he was actually rooting for Russia over the USA.

    I will never understand that....maybe Sharapova should take a lesson from Davydenko and have a little visit from the Russian mob.

    Lets face it Russia has been corrupt for years. Today we have the Mafia state, before that we had communism and Stalin who killed almost as many people as Hitler did. Its amazing to me how Russians like Sharapova have no regard for the country that has saved their lives and are loyal to a country that would destroy them.

    I absolutely loved it when Marias teamates didnt even want to play with her on the team because they didnt feel she was "Russian". That was sheer poetry.

    One day Sharapova will see the error of her ways. The Russians will threaten her familys life or poison her food like they did to Haas. I can't wait till it all comes out the way it came out for Davydenko and some Russian Hockey players. maria will learn the hard way.
     
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    Sounds more like she's in danger from you.
     
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    wow, Im shocked, amazing. You're kidding me!

    He probably even prefers russian food over chilli dogs, baffling!

    Mabe he likes both countries, but just likes his original country a bit more. It's not such a big deal really. Sharapova probably feels the same way. She might liek the USA even more than you, just not as much as she likes Russia.


     
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    share th opinion...I mean she is way more american than russian! there is all in all no connection to russia which I can think of! she lived in the states and lives in states right now! she speaks better english than russian, she is as americanized as it can get! I dont really care for what country she plays but all in all she'd better fit into the states! I seriously cant stand her but she is way more connected to the states!
     
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    Its funny to me how people bash the US as having only Chili dogs and being a bunch of rednecks.

    This country is a melting pot and has the greatest foods and culture on earth. I live in NYC and I ask you where else can you eat on one block Russian, Indian, Japanese and Ethiopian food?

    By the way have you ever been to Coney Island? Its like little Russia....I don't even think you can even hear english on the streets. All the signs are in Russian and the food is amazin. Then you can hop over to Astoria and its entirely greek!!! Five minutes away from that you go to Flushing and I swear you will think you are in Korea. After that you can hop over the Bridge to Arthur Avenue and all you can hear on the streets is Italian or "Fug get about it".

    What country are you talking about whne you say all you can get in the USA is chili dogs????


    And How can Maria like Russia better when she grew up here since the age of seven. Did she make that decsion at the age of 4??? In any event she lives in the USA....I think that says everything.
     
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  45. Mister G

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    London?

    I beg to differ on the greatest foods and culture comment, not that I have anything against the US, dont get me wrong. :)

    In regards to Sharapova feeling more Russian than US, I find that hard to believe...

    I myself grew up abroad (away from my "home" country) from the age of 4. And I have no relation (apart from my physical appearance), nor any strong feelings and/or patriotism from the country I am supposed to be from. However, I can say that I do retain some of my cultural traditions only because my parents tried their best to teach me about where I am originally from...

    I guess this boils down to the nature vs nurture debate. Unless she was immersed in a Russian community all her life, how can she possibly feel a strong connection to Russia? I thought she was visiting her home town for the first time after so many years? :confused:
     
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    London is awesome!!! True .....I'll take NYC but only because I do actually prefer NY hot dogs to Mutton....hope that doesnt make me a redneck.;)

    As to the rest of your post...right on! Thats what makes the USA (Or England) so awesome. Its a melting pot!!! There is nothing wrong with having pride of your nationality and food etc etc.

    Thats what makes us strong!!! But when it comes to supporting your country over where you were born then I think you gotta pick your country.

    I mean could you imagine if John Mcenroe played for Germany!!! (I bet you didnt know he was born there).

    I have also seen mcenroe on the courts. He talks about his Irish roots and when he meets another Irish man he feels a kindered spirit. But guess which country he plays the Davis cup for????
     
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    London and even Manchester have a lot of ethnic food, I agree. The problem with a lot of ethnic restaurants in the US is that they tend to "Americanize" the menu.
     
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    Just as Sharapova chose to remain a Russian citizen. It's a PERSONAL choice. The world has changed and evolved. People move around a lot. You look at a guy like Safin, I bet you a lot of people will be surprised he speaks fluent Spanish. A lot of tennis players or sports celebrities have residences listed in Monaco for tax purposes but they retain their original citizenships.
     
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    The United States does have legal provisions which allow people to be in the country without being citizens, i.e., student visas, temporary visas, tourist visas, permanent residency status, etc.

    Maria is in the United States legally, and as long as she's not a tax cheat, I simply don't understand the logic that she "should be a citizen." She may very well want to be a citizen in the future, who knows. But the idea that she must, right now, become a citizen because of our own notions of what is the "right" thing to do is sort of ridiculous.
     
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    Exactly. Ease of travel and right to vote are 2 of the greatest priviledges for becoming a US citizen. If Sharapova has gotten this far to have the ability to travel without problems then why change it. I doubt she's wanting to hit the voting booths very soon.
     
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