Shoe specification request

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  1. stules

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    Hi guys
    I would like to make a request for the specification section of the shoes that you have for sale.
    Please include "stack height" of the heel and forefoot.

    here is an example from 'Running warehouse' (not sure of your affiliation)

    Weight: 7.9 oz (size 9)

    Stack Height: Heel (20mm), Forefoot (11mm)

    How It Fits (based on width D) Width D=Medium

    Sizing: Standard running shoe length
    Heel: Medium
    Midfoot: Medium to full volume
    Forefoot: Medium
    Toe-Box height: Medium-low
    Arch Structure: Low height


    It would be valuable information on which to base purchase and comparison
    decisions.
    Thank you for the consideration
    Regards
    Stuart
     
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  2. JohnB

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    I second this request.
     
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  3. TW Staff

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    Thank you for your suggestion. Unfortunately at this time we will not be measuring the stack height. Adding something like that would take a lot of time and effort but we haven't completely ruled it out for the future. We do try on every shoe and try to give an accurate weight, length, width, and arch support. If there is any shoe you have specific questions, please let us know and we would be happy to answer them.

    Brittany, TW
     
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  4. newyorkstadium

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    Thirded. I don't know if running warehouse would share their methods (also not sure of your affiliation). I asked them in the past and they wouldn't disclose their methods. I devised my own method and can measure the stack height of a shoe in under a minute.
     
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  5. JohnB

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    Thanks,

    I am looking for tennisshoes with a low heel to toe drop. When the reviewers say it has a low to the ground feel, do they also mean a small difference between heel height and ball of foot height?

    Btw. My left foot is one size smaller than my right one. Do you think it's worth it to buy 2 different sized shoes, so that the balls of my feet are both on the bendingpoints of the shoes?

    Thanks again :)
     
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    JohnB,

    When our reviewers mention the low to the ground feel, they are mostly referring to how close the shoe feels to the ground or how deep they sit in the shoe. If there is a specific shoe you would like measured, I would be able to get it measured for you from our sister company, Running Warehouse.


    For two different sized feet, it is more of a personal preference. You can buy two different sized shoes as an option. Chris also recommends buying the shoe in the larger size and wearing two pairs of socks (or thicker).

    Brittany, TW
     
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  7. TW Staff

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    Yes, Running Warehouse is our sister company. We have spoken to them about their measuring process and the positives and negatives. Here is their video on how to measure the heel drop:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc5lrJnKbKo

    We still haven't ruled out the measurements for the future. If there is a specific shoe you would like measured, I would be able to get it measured for you.

    Brittany, TW
     
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  8. newyorkstadium

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    Thanks Brittany. I've seen that video. They wouldn't disclose what the apparatus was, but I've created my own device that accurately and quickly measures stack height anyway.

    Either the new Vapor 9.5 or Lunar Ballistec would be brilliant. Whichever is easiest. I'm thinking of buying them off TW after reading your review and the forum comments. Thanks.
     
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    They also created their own device for measuring and are using digital calipers.

    I will measure both of those shoes and get back to you in a few days. Is there a specific size you want measured?

    Brittany, TW
     
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  10. newyorkstadium

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    Size 11Mens
     
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  11. S&V Specialist

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    Brittany,
    Not attempting to hijack the thread, but would it be possible to also measure the stack height of the Lotto Raptor IV's in a size 11 1/2? I have found them to have a very preferable heel-toe drop and was wondering what exactly that drop was. Thanks! TW customer service is always impeccable!
     
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  12. henman_fan

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    I would also like to know the stack height for the Adidas CC feather 3 and the Head Sprint Pro, if possible. Size 10.5 mens. I agree that all of TW staff have wonderful customer service, especially Brittany in my experience.
     
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  13. TW Staff

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    henman_fan,

    We won't be getting the adidas adizero CC Feather IIIs until mid year. Are you referring to the adidas adizero Feather IIIs (non-CC version) or adidas adizero CC Feather II?

    Brittany, TW
     
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  14. henman_fan

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    Sorry, I mean't the CC feather II.
     
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  15. TW Staff

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    Alright, I have measured the shoes using Running Warehouse's method. Please note the measurements are approximate.

    Nike Lunar Ballistec
    Stack Height: 26mm (Heel); 19mm (Forefoot)

    Nike Zoom Vapor 9.5 Tour
    Stack Height: 27mm (Heel); 15mm (Forefoot)

    Lotto Raptor Ultra IV
    Stack Height: 30mm (Heel); 17mm (Forefoot)

    adidas adizero CC Feather II
    Stack Height: 26mm (Heel); 15mm (Forefoot)

    Head Sprint Pro:
    Stack Height: 22mm (Heel); 13mm (Forefoot)

    Brittany, TW
     
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  16. newyorkstadium

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    Thanks so much Brittany. This has made my decision much easier. I recognise this is a bit out of your way, but could you measure the Vapor 9 Tour and Air Vapor Advantage?

    I have measured these myself and would like to see how accurate my method is compared with a digital caliper. Sorry for being a nuisance :)
     
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  17. JohnB

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    Brittany,

    Do you think the measurements are the same for different sizes of the same model? E.g. The measurement of the Lunar Ballistec. Do you think the stack height would be the same if you would have measured a different size?

    Thanks,
    John
     
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  18. banter

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    Brittany. Solid work. Thank you!
     
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  19. newyorkstadium

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    I should add my measurements were roughly:

    Vapor Advantage Size 12 - 32mm (Heel); 16mm (Forefoot)
    Vapor 9 Tour Size 12 - 36mm (Heel)
     
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  20. TW Staff

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    Yes, I can measure those shoes. Please give me a day or two to measure as I have to borrow Running Warehouse's device.

    JohnB,

    I asked the experts at Running Warehouse and they think the measurement should be pretty similar if not the same for different sizes.


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    Here are my measurements in size 12:

    Nike Vapor 9- Stack Height: 28mm (Heel); 15mm (Forefoot)
    Nike Vapor Advantage- Stack Height: 26mm (Heel); 12mm (Forefoot)

    Please note I do not measure with the insole.

    Brittany, TW
     
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  22. newyorkstadium

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    I measured without the insole and got similar. Thanks again, Britanny.
     
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  23. JohnB

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    Brittany,

    Would you, if you have the time and opportunity, like to measure the following shoes:

    Barricade 7.0
    Kswiss stabilor
    Wilson rush pro
    Wilson rush ngx
    New balance mc 996
    New balance mc 1296
    Joma pro Roland

    Particularly interested in the Wilsons.

    Thanks in advance,

    John
     
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    John,

    I will try to get the specs posted by the beginning of next week.

    Brittany, TW
     
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  25. newyorkstadium

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    I got the CC Feather 2 from this thread, which is the best shoe I've ever owned. Unfortunately it's not in stock anymore. Could you measure the new Balance mc996 and 1296, if you don't mind, please? I love New Balance running and trail shoes, so I think I'll try a pair of their tennis shoes.
     
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  26. TW Staff

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    JohnB,

    I have measured the shoes you requested. I was unable to measure the KSwiss Stabilor as we no longer have that shoe in stock.

    adidas Barricade 7- Stack Height: 25mm (Heel); 15mm (Forefoot)
    Joma Pro Roland- Stack Height: 25mm (Heel); 14.5mm (Forefoot)

    The insole does not come out of this shoe so the numbers are slightly skewed.

    New Balance 996- Stack Height: 32mm (Heel); 16mm (Forefoot)

    The tongues are attached to these shoes so the readings on the toes might be a little off as I had to measure through the shoes but I tried to get as close as possible.

    Wilson Rush Pro- Stack Height: 24mm (Heel); 13mm (Forefoot)
    Wilson NGX- Stack Height: 21mm (Heel); 12mm (Forefoot)
    New Balance 1296- Stack Height: 30mm (Heel); 15mm (Forefoot)

    Brittany, TW
     
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  27. JohnB

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    Thank you very much Brittany!
     
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  28. newyorkstadium

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    Bump. If this is too time consuming, don't bother. I will buy the CC feather 3 or Head sprint pro instead.
     
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    I measured both the New Balance 1296 and the 996 in my last post as JohnB also asked to measure.them.

    Brittany, TW
     
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  30. newyorkstadium

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    Sorry, your right. Thanks.
     
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  31. JohnB

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    Hi Brittany,

    Is there any hope for us that TW will be measuring stack height in the near future? I find this a useful spec which gives me an idea of how a shoe could feel from heel to toe.

    Cheers, John
     
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    JohnB,

    Unfortunately, there are no plans currently to include stack height in the future.

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  33. newyorkstadium

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    Any chance you could measure the MC60 please? A few people on the shoe board are curious about how it measures. I'm very curious to see if the stack height is truly minimalist, as promised.
     
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    We don't have any of those shoes in stock to measure at this time. Unfortunately, there is no ETA right now from New Balance.

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  35. corners

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    Brittany, thanks for providing the measurements in this thread. Two questions:

    1. The measurements you posted for the NB 996 - was that the new v2 version of the shoe?

    2. Any chance you could measure the new Nike Zoom Cage 2?

    Thanks
     
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  36. newyorkstadium

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    I'm going to buy the new barricade but any chance you could measure that new Balance shoe, now you have it in stock, please. Curious to see if it is genuinely minimalist.
     
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    corners,

    The New Balance shoe I measured was the original 996, not the v2. Yes, I can measure the Nike Zoom Cage 2 but it will take a couple days so please be patient. Is there a specific size you would like me to measure?

    newyorkstadium,

    Yes, we can measure the New Balance Minimus shoe. Is there a specific size you would like me to measure?

    I will post the measurements towards the end of the week.

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  38. corners

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    Thanks Brittany! Yes, the 9 1/2 men's in the Zoom Cage 2, please.

    :)
     
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  39. newyorkstadium

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    Thanks a lot Brittany. Could you measure in 12, or 11 if you don't have it in stock.
     
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    Something that would be extremely useful to me would be a comparison of insoles. In particular, I get frustrated when switching between different generations of the same shoe, and finding they've changed. Below, the Asics GR5 is the white insole, with the blue one behind being from the GR6 in the same size:

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    I started playing in the GR6, but found they were too long when being competitive. I've since bought a pair half a size smaller, and the insole for those is far closer to what I had been using in the GR5.

    Cross-comparing different brands would obviously be awesome. If you really wanted to go to town, you could scan in the insole and utilise some software that lets us overlay different insoles so that they can be compared. I will likely stick with the GR6, so if you could have this in place before the release of the GR7, that would be marvellous. ;-)
     
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    I have measured the shoes you requested. The tongues are attached to these shoes so the readings on the toes might be a little off as I had to measure through the shoes but I tried to get as close as possible.

    Nike Zoom Cage 2 (size 9.5)- Stack Height: 24mm (Heel); mm 17(Forefoot)
    New Balance Minimus 60 (size 12)- Stack Height: 16mm (Heel); 10mm (Forefoot)

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