Shopping for shoes: How can we make it easier?

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  1. TW Staff

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    We need your feedback!

    When you're shopping for shoes, which searching tools/filters would be helpful? We currently separate shoes into the categories below.

    Do you like these categories? How would you like shoes to be sorted? Let us know what you would like to see added or refined.

    Thanks for any suggestions. -- TW Staff


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    Ankle Support (mid cut shoes)
    Durability Guaranteed
    Light Weight
    Clay Court Suited
    Width: (Narrow, Medium, Wide)
    Arch Support: (Low Arch, Medium Arch, High Arch)
     
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  2. db10s

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    Here are some ideas:

    Color
    Price
    Shoes with good toe durability
    Stability oriented


    What exactly is lightweight?
     
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  3. Fletch92626

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    I don't think all that much more needs to be done, or would be all that helpful. The shoe offering isn't so large that it is impossible to scroll through the offerings. If you made one change, I'd suggest a pricing filter - less than $60, $60-100 and over $100. Other additional filters are almost impossible/meaningless, such as color (shoes are multi-color, and that function on apparel isn't all that helpful). Other categories would require TW to review every shoe, which is impossible (such as actual durability, etc.). From a practical perspective, you have to limit each category to objective criteria, and nothing subjective.
     
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  4. darklore009

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    Lightweight refers to those shoes that are light. Means that those type of shoes are light and allow you to run faster than the ones that are heavy.
     
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  5. db10s

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    I know that, but what are the requirements for a shoe to be considered lightweight?
     
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  6. darklore009

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    the weight of the shoe and the feel.
     
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  7. db10s

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    I'm looking for numbers....
     
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  8. athiker

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    Pronation, Neutral and Supination. More may know it as shoes for over pronators, under pronators or neutral. Its a big deal in running shoes and I think important for tennis shoes too. There is a range...not just the 3...that could be put on a scale from mild to severe in both directions.

    I over pronate slightly and if the shoe exacerbates that it is uncomfortable and I feel it up to my knees...and probably into my hips but less obviously noticeable there.

    Of course there is also a movement to remove as much "artificial" support as possible from running shoes to allow "natural" movement and "balanced" foot/ankle/leg muscle development.
     
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  9. mad dog1

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    interesting thought, but there is no such thing as a motion control shoe for tennis. i don't see any tennis shoe that comes with a medial post or a dual density midsole. at least not yet.
     
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  10. Andyroo10567

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    The categories look just fine to me. General things to filter out. Easy to look through.
     
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  11. djNEiGht

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    How about a "fits similar to" feature?
     
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  12. rich s

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    I think the search categories you have listed are sufficient.... would like to see a better job categorizing shoes as Wider, Medium, Narrower fit even though they may only be available in a D width.

    thanks for asking...
     
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  13. eidolonshinobi

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    I like this. Especially shoes you've carried before.
     
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  14. ohplease

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    Why not port the feature you guys already have at running warehouse that does color coded 3d heat map fit comparisons between the current shoe and other shoes customers might have some experience with? That's a great feature.
     
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  15. NJ1

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    Current categories are good, maybe add a "Ventilation" cat or something for shoes that are well ventilated and in light colors ie. good for hot climates.
     
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  16. Fintft

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    I'd also like to know if a certain color or model will be back in stock soon. Say I want Nike Court Ballistecs gray and white, but that color is not available anymore? Will it be back or shall only new colors be available in the future?

    Finally I'd like some accurate reviews/rankings, but that's easier said then done.
     
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  17. veloduffer

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    +1 on this. As I've aged, I need shoes with wider toe boxes. For example, Adidas shoes tend to run narrow and I can't fit them well.

    Perhaps in the Customer Feedback, you can allow the reviewers to note if the shoe felt true to size in length and narrow, medium or wide. I see this in other shoe websites and even with clothing (true to size).
     
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  18. db10s

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    This.

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  19. Hao2Pro

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    Nailed it.
     
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  20. Fedest

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    I guess need to seperate by the weight amount.

    eg. 13oz below are considered light weight
     
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  21. db10s

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    I remember this from a little while back when I was looking at shoes on there out of curiosity. Pretty cool feature IMO.
     
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  22. ricki

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    Most critical parameter is missing: Width of the toe box (toe knuckles)
     
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  23. swfh

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    +1 for the shoe mapping thing. That would really help when comparing different brands. I also think that a price option would be nice
     
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  24. JRstriker12

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    These two additional features would be great. I especially like the heat map idea so I can find if my next pair fit anything like the last pair I had. This is very important as it seems they come out with a new version of a shoe with an almost completely different fit every year.

    Not knowing what the next "updated" version fits like drives me to buy from a local shop instead of TW since I have a flat, narrow foot that can be hard to get the right fit. Once I know what fits, I buy online.
     
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  25. imajica77

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    Personally I think the way you have it set up now is the way to go. I think most people prefer to play with a certain brand.
     
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  26. TahoeTennis

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    let's get some shoes
    let's party


    In order of importance filters:

    Size
    Width
    Arch Support
    Durability Guarantee
    Color

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  27. corners

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    I think heel height differential, or what is now called "heel drop", would be a very nice spec to have. Some players can use a higher heel while others prefer a more or less flat shoe.

    Overall midsole thickness would also be helpful. Combined with a heel drop measurement this would tell us everything we need to know about the midsole:

    Heel drop: 12mm
    Forefoot midsole thickness: 6mm

    From this we would know that the thickness of the midsole at the heel is 18mm and the thickness of the forefoot is 6mm. The same thing could be achieved with:

    Heel midsole thickness: 18mm
    Forefoot midsole thickness: 6mm


    An especially useful measurement, which would be easier than the above for you to do, would be to take out the shoe insole and measure it's length (at it's longest points) and it's width (at the ball, at it's widest). With these two measurements we would be able to compare the fit of shoes without having to try them on. So if I knew that GR5s fit me great in a 9 1/2, which measured, say, 270 mm x 95 mm, I could search for another model by the dimensions of the insole rather than by shoe size, which of course varies by brand and by model.

    So, shoes descriptions could include: Insole length x width: 270mm x 95mm

    If non-quantitative specs were added to the above measurements the picture would be complete. These could be:

    Toe shape: pointed, average, oblique (more squared-off or "foot shaped" rather than pinched and pointed)

    Heel width: wide, average, narrow

    Forefoot flexibility: This is a very important characteristic of shoes that varies widely by brand and model. Many court shoes are very stiff at the ball of the foot. This can provide a player a feeling of stability, as the shoe doesn't bend very much, but shoes that don't bend freely at the ball of the foot can contribute to both plantar fasciitis and achilles tendon problems. The reason why: If you've got a foot that's 10 inches long, you've got a foot that's a 10" lever. If the shoe allows the foot to bend freely at the ball of the foot (the toes are allowed to bend "up") the foot lever is effectively shortened by about 2 inches. When running, if the toes are not allowed to bend like this the longer lever of the entire foot in a stiff shoe will 1) put stress on the plantar fascia by forcing the foot to bend in the arch rather than at the ball of the foot as it's supposed to, and 2) force the calf/achilles tendon to lengthen a greater distance, with the longer shoe/foot lever applying greater force to it.

    So a simple classification of Forefoot Flexibility: flexible (like running shoe), average, stiff

    would be very helpful for picking shoes that don't hurt one's feet.
     
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  28. newyorkstadium

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    +1 to corners suggestions. You can use the following methods to measure heel drop and heel height - http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=434439

    You can also use running warehouse's method. I avoided it as, while it is very reliable and accurate, it was a bit more expensive.
     
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  29. bigserving

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    Good information to know about the fit of the shoe is the flex point of the shoe. That point where the shoe is designed for the wearer's toes are supposed to bend during use. Someone else kinda described it as forefoot flexibility.

    Also, very important would be some sort of factor that describes the amount of cushioning in the heel and the ball, or the overall cushioning of the shoe.

    Another might be the height of the shoe bed off of the ground. This could be good for comparing one shoe to another.
     
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  30. Cindysphinx

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    Two things would be helpful for me.

    1. I want to know how wide the toebox is.

    2. I want to know how flexible/stiff the shoe is, as in how much force it takes to bend the shoe front to back. It surprises me that there is so much variability among brands in this area.

    Thanks for asking!!
     
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    Unitongue / does the tongue move to the side or not?
     
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  32. MrFlynntastic

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    I take a 9 in Nike and 10 in Adidas. I will never buy any other brand online b/c I would have no idea what size to order.
    Perhaps normalizing the sizing btw the brands?
    It is easy for a buyer to get their exact foot measurements, is it just as easy to post a shoe size exact measurements, by brand?
    I would be open to buying other brands if I knew which size to order.
    Thanks
     
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  33. volleygirl

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    I would really like to see a true grading of the Cushioning offered in each shoe.
     
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  34. JGads

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    (Even) more specific width descriptions would be great. Usually 'width is medium' doesn't tell the story. Would be nice if midfoot and toe box could both be described, as sometimes a shoe will have a generous toe box/forefoot but a very narrow midfoot, etc. Props to T-Dub for exploring ideas.
     
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  35. morten

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    the same shoe size comparison feature as running warehouse.
     
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  36. banter

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    Thank you, newyorkstadium for bringing this thread to my attention.

    Heel drop

    I find that knowing the heel drop will be the most helpful since it influences a lot of play; thus can be very telling of the playability of the shoe. The heel drop and by extension angle, determines the body position of the player because he or she will have to balance over the the angle that the foot rests. Furthermore, the higher the shoe, the higher the center of gravity, which can or at least factor greatly in the stability of a shoe.
     
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  37. r5d3

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    It would be nice to be able to sort based on the TW reviews. For example, if I'm interested in a shoe that rated better than 85 in comfort and better than 80 in durability, perhaps also in a certain price range, it would be cool to search for that all at once.
     
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  38. CFreeborn

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    Not sure if it's already been said, but cushioning. I know that's hard to quantify, but it's what I need for my 55 yr old feet...
    -C
     
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  39. ForLoveOfTheGame

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    comparison chart!

    As several of the previous posters have already mentioned, it would be wonderful if you could add a comparison chart or even the program running warehouse has for a detailed description of the differences in two shoes. Many of is here purchase multiple brands and more often than not we never even get to try the shoes on before we buy. If I had a good idea of how my pro pulse 3s compared to say Adidas feather or vapor 9 I'd be more compelled to purchase additional shoes for my collection. I already spend way too much time on tennis warehouse and tt reviewing opinions on the latest and greatest. A comparison chart would really solidify how all the shoes would feel on my feet.
     
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  40. Dags

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    When I switch brand, I accept there's something of an unknown quantity. Once I've found a brand and line I like, I get mildly frustrated at how frequently they are superseded by a new model.

    Direct comparison with the previous model (or two) in a line would be immensely helpful.
     
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  41. srvnvly

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    How about adding the Show Me How It Fits functionality, found on your sister site Running Warehouse? It's a great tool and gives me a great idea how one shoe fits compared to another brand/ model, with size suggestions.
     
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  42. Llefty

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    I like the previous suggestion of "fits like." For example, I'd love to know how the Propulse 4 fits compared to the Propulse 3. I also agree that greater detail about the fit of the toebox would be great - shape, width, etc.
     
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  43. henman_fan

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    As other have said measurements for heel height, and also heel drop.
     
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  44. RSWatkins

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    I'd like to see the ability to sort by price and a compare to or are similar to another shoe in the filter.
     
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  45. dak95_00

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    I also would like to know heal drop. I believe this is a factor in foot injuries such as plantar fasciitis which is a popular term in both the shoe threads and the health & fitness threads.
     
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  46. tennisfreak73

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    i have 4e wide feet and am forced to wear new balance, which isn't a bad shoe, but then again, i don't know since i don't have any other choice. it would be nice if TW could carry more shoes in this size or at least special order them. perhaps this is more of a manufacturer than a distribution issue
     
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  47. JohnB

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    I would really like to know which tennisshoes are suited for supinated feet, pronated feet or neutral feet.
     
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  48. doctorpong

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    I would also like whether a shoe fits narrow or wide, especially in the toe box
     
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  49. hunterx

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    Coincidentally I am in the market for clay shoes, but can't find a way to sort/search specifically for them. I tried listing "all" shoes and just searched for the word "CLAY" in the description - but that may be missing some results. Do you only have 3 clay shoes?
     
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