Short Balls, The Reason?

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  1. Magnificent!

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    Nadal has always been prone to hitting short for a number of reasons. As a defensive player, he is hitting off the back foot more often than Federer Djokovic etc.. who are stepping in and dictating. (obviously harder to hit deep off back foot)Taking 12 extra steps sometimes, to run around his backhand means he will arrive late sometimes to hit deep. Leaving a big gap on his forehand side also means he will arrive late for those who are able to expose it. The biggest contributing factor i reckon is confidence. He is definately more confident this year and has had to earn it.
     
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  2. TopFH

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    Could be the answer, but Federer and Djokovic are really good at hitting on the rise (especially Roger).
     
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  3. Feather

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    Anyone who supports Roger Federer will be called TROLL by Rafa fans :wink:
     
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  4. Andres

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    What Clarky said aboyt confidence vs. lack of aggressiveness is exactly correct. That's what Nadal (and even Toni) has stated in more than one ocasion.
     
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    Not true, you will be hard pressed to find a Rafa fan calling Fed fans like Towser, Zagor, Hitman, Hoodman, Rueroo, Nathaniel etc trolls (just at the top of my head)

    It's pretty simple logic - you're not a Fed troll just because SOME Rafa fans call you a troll and you're not a Rafa troll if some Fed fans call you a troll. But YOU ARE a troll if ALL Rafa fans or ALL Fed fans call you a troll. Being 'vouched for' by your own camp is meaningless, if you are truly a reasonable poster, you will have folks in the other camp vouching for you. Can you find ONE Fed fan who will vouch for Nadal_slam_king or ONE rafa fan who will vouch for Aphex?
     
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  6. Feather

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    You tend to forget one thing. You don't have to be reluctant to express your opinion just because the person who is accused of is in " your camp". I am just using your own terms. I found that accusation meaningless and I expressed my dissent. Perhaps you have a different take on this and I don't have any intention to debate with your point of view either :)
     
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  7. kragster

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    Yes but your dissent was a generalization. You didn't point it at a particular poster or even use the word some Rafa fans. You simply said 'Rafa fans'. Hence I expressed my dissent at your dissent :)
     
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  8. nadal_slam_king

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    I guess you don't understand tennis. He hits with more topspin than any player in the game. He can't always control how much topspin he generates and overdoes it, forcing the ball to dip too soon. Not worth a thread.
     
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  9. Feather

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    I quoted someone so I just assumed that would be enough.

    Agreed, guilty as charged ! I should have said some Rafa fans. I am sorry about that but you know it was not intentional. And I didn't notice it even aafter I had posted that. Silly me :)
     
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  10. kragster

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    No worries at all, just giving you a hard time :)
     
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  11. 1HBH Rocks

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    Hitting short is not only a mistake if your opponent tees off right away... that's pretty darn silly. It's a mistake if in the ends it reduces your chance to win the rally, regardless of how it happens.

    When Nadal hits short, he contributes to his opponent's court coverage: the guy has more time to position himself. In tennis, players start the rally as equal peers, except that the server gets a shot quality edge. From there, offensive is about thieving time... Federer doesn't hit hard for the heck of it, he's trying to be at one point in the rally one step in front of you; he's playing so that you'll be one step late on him. Nadal isn't drastically different -- in fact, all players aren't drastically different from this idea. Nadal will play with more consistency and, consequently, it will take more for him to hurt you, but in the end, he'll win the rally when his opponent is further late on the play than he is himself. It's about winning time over your opponent that makes it easy to force errors or hit winners... of course he outlasts them in the end, but it's not lazy hitting a la Andy Murray. He's looking to hurt you in his own way.

    What you typically see Nadal doing is working the point and pulling his opponent wide to tire them out. He outlasts his opponent, but he doesn't outlast them like a pusher. What is problematic then when he hits short is that he lets his opponent set up too far up on the court (closer to the baseline) and he doesn't manage to pull them wide. Watch USO 2009 versus Del Potro... all of his forehands were so centered that he basically handed feds to Del Potro's forehand and he got his butt spanked.

    It's always the same thing with Nadal... he's big when he hits wide, but he's barely a top ten when he can't get it quite right. He then starts playing further back and that seals the deal. Of course, give Djokovic some credit for making him look weird since a year or so, but Djokovic doesn't miraculously hit bigger than all of the top ten every single time he touches a ball. He's just aggressive with his positioning and remains very consistent while hitting deep... it's extremely annoying to play, but Nadal isn't forced to wind up near the back fence either. He just elects to back off instead of improving his vertical positioning, adding pressure to Djokovic so he remains more honest, less daring with shot placement and enabling himself to hit more evenly with him.
     
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  12. FlashFlare11

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    Nadal hitting short isn't necessarily a bad thing. Yes, against Djokovic and Federer (sometimes) it's detrimental, but the amazing spin he imparts on his shots make them difficult to attack. Plus, hitting shorter allows him to draw angles that are more difficult with deeper shots.
     
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  13. 1HBH Rocks

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    When we say Nadal leaves the ball short, we do not mean that he's hitting wide... we mean he's hitting the service T all day long. Of course, when he angles his balls wider, he pulls his opponent off the court, but that's not what he's doing currently, isn't it?
     
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  14. FlashFlare11

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    I didn't see any of Monte-Carlo, so I don't know about his current form. But he's been successful against 99% of the tour hitting short, so I would think he's drawing those angles (maybe not as much as before).

    Love your signature, by the way! The reason I use a one-handed backhand, myself.
     
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