Shortening my backswing....

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  1. tennis_balla

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    Thats not 2 handed forehand technique you're describing but a fundamental part of a normal forehand :)
     
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  2. TimeSpiral

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    My goodness ... people here are hysterical.

    Brother, your back swing looks fine. As long as it's consistent, and repeatable, then you're good to go.

    I can imagine you might have trouble handling pace, and flatter shots that skid--but who doesn't?! Those are just difficult shots to return. Maybe just back up a little more when you anticipate this type of shot is incoming, and if it catches you off guard, then it would probably catch you off guard even with a shorter backswing.

    I see some have brought the 2HFH into the conversion (a shot I use regularly). It's a great shot, and I love it. If you're looking to try some new things, give it a shot, maybe you'll love it.
     
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    Seems to me, add post 51 with post 52, make a conclusion, the answer is right there below all the mishmash.
     
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    His backswing is too big.
     
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    Assuming that vid in your sig is you, then you're obviously a badass tennis player--WAY better than I, however; it looks as if your backswing is just as big :twisted:
     
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    Thats irrelevant.
     
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  7. DavaiMarat

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    I tend to agree. It needs to be simplified at the back end to help the front end. I can hit a ball pretty good that's in my comfort zone however because of the big swing each shot must be measured perfectly. I get in trouble when pressed (wide and fast low balls) and tend to hit late. This is particularly evident in my forehand return of serve. Sometime I have problems getting my return X-crt enough. I have an instinctive habit, conscious or not, to pull the racket over my head.

    It might look ok but it's not optimal. To get to the next level I need efficiency and repeatability cause 4.0 vs 5.0, I feel, is all about the amount time your given to hit the ball.
     
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  8. You strike the ball very well if that is you in your youtube link! What is your USTA rating?
     
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  9. LeeD

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    This thread is about Dave, not TBalla.
    TBalla's observation is more important here than his hitting and playing skills.
    OP's takeback is too long.
    He needs to think more "return of serve" than Nadal or Guga swinging away from 10' behind the baseline.
    He already knows it's too long.
    Possibly, playing against a hard hitter, and someone competitively hitting against him, would be one cure.
     
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    What you're missing...
    TBalla is a 5-5.5 player, depending if he practices or just teaches.
    OP is closer to a 3.5 -4.0 player.
    OP thinks he has a problem on his forehand side. We all concur.
     
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  12. DavaiMarat

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    Lol LeeD I just realized. You've rated my wife and I, talked about the existence of the problem yet haven't given me any advice.

    ...you silly old man.....ante up.
     
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    Dont know if its been suggested yet but you can try some medicine ball exercises to get the feel of this and build strength where you want it. If you do a google search you can find them. There's a lot of variation in stances, wall versus partner, size of medicine ball etc.

    There are also props available in the market to work on back swing and keep your arms level - your left hand is in one and the right in the other so you cant take a big backswing or have a misalignment in your arms.
     
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    You admitted you have too long a backswing...possibly.
    But do you really believe it? I say ...you're on the fence.
    Why?
    You asked to shorten your backswing.
    Yet you need TIPS? How hard is it to take shorter strides when you walk? How difficult is it to shorten a throwing motion in the interest of accuracy?
    How hard is it to pick up a fork without throwing it thru the roof?
    I think you asked for the advice, yet still don't believe you need it.
    All these good ideas on shortening your swing, yet you still need more input?
     
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  15. DavaiMarat

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    Lol, my point is....if you're not here to help me...then what are you doing here?

    No offense my old comrade. I'm very serious about improving my forehand. Please don't deflect from the thread topic. Thanks!

    Cheers!

    Pssssstt LeeD I'm just poking fun at you....BTW I was good friends with Aussie Surf Legend Russell Hughes. He was so chill. He passed a few years ago. He was a decent tennis player too. He was the 1st person to get me to try vegemite. He never got around to teaching me to surf though. That's too bad.

    I know you know quite a bit about surfing. Perhaps you knew about him. Swell guy.
     
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  16. TimeSpiral

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    I'm not convinced your backswing is too long / large / slow, whatever. I'm not a teaching pro though, and frankly, your wife might even be more qualified than us to examine it, since she's probably recieved a decent amount of professional training.

    If you're feeling rushed in certain situations / vs. certain opponents, perhaps your court positioning needs some work. You might just be standing in the wrong spot.
     
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  17. 0d1n

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    Look at the racquet compared to the plane of the body when all those guys hit. Especially Fed and Nadal. They go no where near as far behind their backs with their racquet arm as the OP does.
    Yes Djokovic's forehand might be a bit overelaborate, but he's been no 1 in the world so...whatever works, right ?

    Regarding the op, I tend to do what you do as well sometimes...I forget that the arm is not there to provide most of my power.
    More careful footwork, proper ball spacing and maybe slightly more flexibility in the hips...all help. Also...keeping in mind the fact that hitting the ball way out in front gives me proper leverage and a good contact...and hence more power than a huge a55 backswing.
    Not really a coach so these are "feelings" I have rather than instructions :).
     
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  18. DavaiMarat

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    Yes Time. My quote was specifically targeted to LeeD and his obsessions with NTRP...which I can appreciate but is misplaced in this thread. Just poking fun at the old guy.

    You expressed your opinion that my Backswing isn't too large and I've considered your assessment and I thank you. It's strange, in a rally the long backswing is fine however when I'm rushed the swing feels sluggish and hard to perform.

    Perhaps the way we can consider that for some, a large backswing works, however when pressed, I don't have to coordination to pull it off. Simplifying my stroke is something I'd like to consider and explore. If I cannot make the adjustment, you're latter suggestions will be my next exploration.

    Thanks!
     
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  19. 10nisne1

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    Personally, I don't think the OP has that big or long of a backswing. Looking at the video, he is hitting most of his forehand in a neutral to sometimes slightly closed stance. It's going to appear he is taking the racket back further vs if he was in an open stance.

    The bigger issue I see is his backswing or take back is too high, which causes his swing to be loopy. He starts high and then has to position his racket slightly below the ball to start the motion back up to impart topspin. This in turn causes a lot of motion before his racket makes contact with the ball. You could say his high backswing or take back causes a long "forward swing" or follow through.

    To minimize motion, taking the racket back more at waist level will help shorten the backswing. If taking the racket back more at waist level feels too difficult, try hitting the ball flatter to make the forward swing less loop.

    Good luck!

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  20. TimeSpiral

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    People love to hate on the 2HFH--which I can understand, my opponents specifically hate it! :twisted: :twisted:--but the swing is compact, shorter, and can allow you to create a lot of racquet head speed while maintaining racquet stability (i.e., you can swing faster with less wind up). In my opinion, it's a shot worth having. If anything, it will be so drastically different from what you do now, the differences will be amplified and you can take what you like, leave what you don't, and attempt to apply the info gleaned to your 1HFH.
     
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    Yeah, RussellHughes... a hair behind Nat, BobMcTavish, and the whole late '60's thru '80 's Aussie surf scene. Modern guys idolized ShaunThompson, or Mark Occi, but the old crew led the way to the breakthru.
    You should see Indo nowadaze. Out of 100 guys at G land, over half are Aussie.
     
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