Should Clay Court Season Be Expanded on ATP & WTA?

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Should the Clay Court Season Be Expanded?

Poll closed Jun 3, 2009.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Pancho

    Pancho Semi-Pro

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    However, I am a bit sad today as the end of French Open is also the end of the clay court season. I wish the ATP and WTA would expand the clay court season. If the clay court season goes on say for 6 months or longer, you can be assured that Nadal be #1 in the world. Fast hard courts and grass favors players with super strong serves like Blake and Roddick. Clay just slows you down and it's better to watch, that is why power players like Blake, Roddick and Sampras all do not do well in the French Open. Roddick's fastest serves in the world of 155mph serves will be just be easy returns for Nadal.

    I am sad the clay court season is coming to an end :(
     
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  2. CyBorg

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    I am supporting Hamburg's lawsuit against the ATP, but if the ATP does win, I'd like to see a relatively big Hamburg event in the summer, running simultaneously with Washington (which would be on hardcourts in the US).

    I would also like to see at least three weeks of clay in the early fall. We have Bucharest. I would also like to see Palermo and frankly Valencia can stay on clay in the fall as well. Mallorca would be a nice one to bring back.
     
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  3. ACE of Hearts

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    Why?Sooner or later we will have slow surfaces on all slams.Wimbledon is already looking like Roland Garros part deux!!!!!!!!
     
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  4. alienhamster

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    No. It's the right length at present. There's already plenty of smaller clay tournaments early and late in the season.

    What's needed is a real season on grass. Three weeks is pitiful.
     
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  5. Tchocky

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    Clay court season is too long in my opinion. I would like to see more grass court tourneys.
     
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  6. El Diablo

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    Alien's correct....there's lots of other clay tournaments, including some in the coming weeks that you don't hear so much about because most people are interested in grass for the next month. Many of the European and South American players who know Wimbledon is not for them will be playing on clay in the next few weeks.
     
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  7. justsomeecho

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    Voted yes. They need to lengthen it if they're taking away Hamburg.
     
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  8. Pancho

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    I'm with you on that ATP & WTA season should have more slow clay court matches. Speed demons like Blake & Roddick would know that their heavy hitting will not neccesary win them matches and they have to play better than just hitting hard.

    It is funny that McEnroe was proposing bigger, heavier, slower balls to slow down speed demons like Roddick when you can play on slow clay courts and still have the same balls and racquets.

    So, all those speed demons can now lose when they play on clay..hahhahahha...

    It is funny that you don't see Roddick, Blake play the whole European clay court season. They just can't play well on that surface - LOL...
     
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  9. aceroberts13

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    No, the clay season is fine. Its the rediculously short grass season that needs a makeover.
     
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  10. leonidas1982

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    agreed. grass should be longer.
     
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  11. vandre

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    i voted yes because i think they need some time between the tournaments. i would like to see an actual grass court season too. i would like to see the early spring u.s. tournaments played on something other than hardcourt, but i know, "fat chance" of that happening!
     
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  12. brc444

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    I don't think there is a need to expand the clay court season. There are so many opportunities to play on clay -- for example there ia clay event in Polond right now during the first week of the grass season (Robredo and Davydenko are playing). Right after the Australian Open there is the winter clay season in Sout America and summer clay season right after Wimbeldon (Nadal played one event last year). Also I note that while clay intrudes on the summer US hard court season and even the grass season, there are no hard court or grass opportunities during the European clay court season.
     
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  13. alcap26

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    my sentiments exactly.
     
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  14. Stchamps

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    Blake and Roddick grew up playing on hard court surfaces all the time, so can you really blame them for their playing style?
     
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  15. DashaandSafin

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    Someone hates the US much...? There are plenty of power hitters that suffer because of clay. Clay is boring and the points last forever. You get topspin monkeys and never ending points. The season is right in length. Besides, I can argue that I love seeing more hardcourt tourtaments while watching the claycourters lose. And BTW Roddick beat claycourters to reach Rome Semi's this year...
     
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  16. Djokovicfan4life

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    Six months for the clay season? You cannot be serious!

    No wonder grass gets no love these days. :cry:
     
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  17. Vision84

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    I'm not sad. Nadal should not be #1 cause he is only the best on clay. Other surfaces allow for players with different strengths to dominate. Clay is not better to watch. It is the most boring in my opinion. The clay season needs to be shortened so grass can be lengthened.
     
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  18. Djokovicfan4life

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    Well said. It wouldn't be fair to the other players and Nadal would own every tournament. With the game being all about clay, our fine sport would become nothing but a mindless power contest.
     
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  19. bluetrain4

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    Tournaments are played on clay year round. During the spring hardcourt season (Las Vegas, Indian Wells, Miami, etc.) there are clay court events happening as well.

    During the summer hardcourt season, there are clay court events happening at at the same time.

    During the fall indoor season, there are clay courts events going on.

    This week, while the Stella Artois and Gerry Webber grass events are played, there is a clay event in Warsaw.

    These are often smaller tournaments, but they are full-fledged ATP main tour tourneys, not challengers or futures events.

    We don't need more clay.
     
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  20. Hot Sauce

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    The clay court season is too long. Just like the others have said, I'd like to see the clay court season shortened, and the grass season lengthened. Your whole post can be reversed the other way to favour faster courts. There isn't any legitimate arguments in it. What the hell do you have against fast tennis, anyways?
     
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  21. lovecr717

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    agreed.

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  22. tennis_hand

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    No.

    it is already pathetically long.
     
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  23. zagor

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    With the overall slowing down of surfaces(slower hardcourts,slower grass,heavier balls etc.) I think clay season is fine as it is.If anything IMO we need a longer grass season with a masters on grass and Masters Cup should be played on indoor carpet as it was in the 90s(although I doubt that will happen cause probably Nadal and maybe even some other players will mind it)
     
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  24. cucio

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    Clay season is fine as it is. However I'd wish there were no seasons, so events in different surfaces would mix up a bit. MC, BCN/Munich, Rome, Hamburg and RG in a row is too much.

    More grass, and faster so we get to watch different kind of styles at play, although ace-fests get old quite fast.

    Grass at the expense of less hardcourts (softer surfaces are easier on the players.)

    TMC should be in a neutral surface so carpet/clay specialists can at least be competitive. Plexicushion seemed nice at 2008 AO, there was great tennis and I don't remember any complaint from the players.
     
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  25. msc886

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    Clay season is long enough as it is. There are many small clay tournaments even after clay season is finished. Grass season needs to be extended. There's only Wimby 3 weeks worth comapred to hard, indoor and clay.
     
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  26. jkonecne

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    Exactly. And why do they have to change their style. Neither style is right or wrong, although it does suit certain surfaces. All these people say Roddick and Blake need to change their games and learn more than just big serves and forehands. Well it's only fair for me to say this; clay courters that can't win on grass need to change their games and get bigger serves.

    For the love of god don't expand the clay court season!!! Grass court season needs some help. I'm wondering, there are all these other smaller clay tournaments throughout the season, are there any smaller grass tournaments for grass court players to play during clay season?
     
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  27. WBF

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    I find clay boring as hell. Bring on more grass and hard court tourneys...
     
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  28. Nadal_Freak

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    Hard court season is the problem. Not clay courts. It is ridiculous how there are so many hard court tournaments. I agree with grass court season being lengthened and hard court season being shortened. Clay season is about right except for this year.
     
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  29. boredone3456

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    Clay season is fine the way it is...I say shorten the hardcourt summer a bit and add more time to the grass season, emphasis on the latter in order to account for Wimbledon taking past grass record into account in the seeding. how they can do this when the grass court season is about a month long is difficult, as many dont even play more than 2 tournies on grass a year to begin with?? add a few more grass court tournies and push Wimbledon into mid july I say.
     
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  30. bluetrain4

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    The problem with grass season is the other Slams. You could shorten the hardcourt season, or, in theory, move the US Open later (it's still pretty nice in NYC in mid September). But, the USO would never give up it's slot during the last week of August and over Labor Day (in the US) weekend. People are still on vacation, and school has not started for many.

    Same with the AO. Miami and Indian Wells really should be leadups to the AO, which would be ideal in early March. But, the AO is held during Australian summer and the tournament and fans benefit from that fact.

    The existing summer hardcourt season really isn't that long (though it seems longer). Wimbldeon finishes around July 6. The next week, there is no hardcourt event. And then, on July 14 (at least this year), Indianapolis kicks off the hardcourt season. There are "only" five weeks of events before the USO. I always think it seems longer, but it's not.

    There is also the issue of grass facilities to have a legitimate grass season. Technically plenty of grass courts to be found, but are there enough different sites to hold actual ATP tourneys over 5 weeks? This assumes, that if there was a legit grass season, there would be a grass Masters, or Masters-like tourney that would need a big facility with appropriate seating.

    We may wish for an extended grass season, but I've never heard the ATP even suggest that it's an issue.

    I always thought that Newport should be played during the second week of the French. I know this would mean that many top players would not play the event since they made it to the second week, but it would allow players who lost early to get a jump on Wimbledon prep and I guarantee the Newport draw would be better than it currently is. Furthermore, the top players tend not to play it anyway, because it's not in preparation for anything. At least there would be a chance that a Roddick or someone else who lost early at the French would play.
     
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