Should Edberg be higher regarded?

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  1. gennosuke

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    No it really isn't. He won one more than Becker. So?
     
  2. abmk

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    like I said, scud, henman, murray etc.. are weak on clay, but on other surfaces, they are excellent ...

    if soderling can defeat nadal, federer at RG, nalbandian can go toe-to-toe with prime federer and crush nadal indoors, scud can straight set prime sampras , trouble him on grass, give in inspired performance in Davis Cup on clay, murray can defeat nadal,djoker,federer multiple times they sure as hell would be trouble for all of connors, newk, smith (smith isn't even in the same class as the other two anyways )

    and yes, dumbo, I saw the Olympics. Delpo saved BPs in 3 or 4 games and then broke back when federer was serving for it ......

    even in the USO 2009 final, down 3-5,0-30 in the 2nd set, del potr broke federer and clinched the set with some great play, he was also clutch at 4-5, 30 all in the the set , when he was just 2 points away from defeat .

    now that is mental strength ....

    but then you wouldn't know >> having near zero knowledge of tennis

    Like I said , delpo >>>>>>>>>>> Kodes ......

    Kodes can only dream of winning a major tournament beating 2 major champions back to back like delpo did in USO 2009 ....
     
  3. abmk

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    precisely, undeniable proof that Kodes is the luckiest slam winner of all time , took advantage of the weakest major fields ....

    in-form tsonga, murray, scud would crush him off clay
     
  4. kiki

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    hahaha.Kodes 3 Del Potro 1.Live with that abmk, live with that.

    What Delpo did in that semi was just regular money in the Golden Era.But, since you are not used to that, it wonders you.I feel bad for you never seeing any tennis match of the XX century...
     
  5. abmk

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    and federer 17 majors, laver 11 majors, federer >> laver. Live with that

    delpo is more well known than Kodes can dream of being. He did something that Kodes can only dream of doing. Beat fedal in a slam.

    no, clueless, you just haven't watched him play ...

    I've watched plenty of tennis in the 70s, 80s and 90s as well. What delpo did would qualify as great mental strength in any era .....

    for other examples , see

    mcenroe coming back from two MPs, playing two splendid points to save them , then that legendary tie-breaker and then borg coming back strongly to take the 5th in the wimbledon 80 final

    edberg coming back from a break down in the 5th in each of his matches in 4R, QF and SF in the 92 US Open

    sampras saving MP vs corretja in the US Open 96 QF with a stretch volley to cut off the passing shot ...

    etc etc ...

    there were plenty of dud things then as well :

    see mecir playing like a novice in both his slam finals
    see becker playing well below his best in the 88 wimbledon final
    see edberg playing one of his worst matches ever in the 89 wimbledon final missing volleys he'd otherwise make in his sleep
    see sampras getting ousted by the likes of schallar and delgado at the French Open
    see rosewall getting crushed by connors in the USO final ( & wimbledon final ) in 74 ..... granted he was old, but it doesn't make for pretty tennis , does it ?
    borg vilas matches on clay putting people to sleep ....

    etc etc ....

    every era has its great moments and dull moments ....... but then you being clueless wouldn't understand that ..
     
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    . . . and tired, IMO. At the USO, he had a four-set semi with two tie-breaks against Newk in the semis. At Wimbledon, Muscles had a tough five-set semi against Stan Smith.

    But I agree with you--neither pretty nor exciting.
     
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  7. krosero

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    Edberg and McEnroe definitely both deserve that, but is it really necessary to bring in Edberg's entire doubles career just because his Davis Cup H2H against Becker is being considered? It's just 3 matches, 3 wins for Becker (in singles), that are being brought in.
     
  8. kiki

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    I never questioned that any era has had some exhilarating moments.In current era, I´d say Nadal and Federer duesl, from 2006 to 2009 were the really good ones, with their 2008 Wimbledon final as a peak.I never enjoyed Djokovic vs Nadal, too many similar styles for my taste.

    Of course, Kodes could never dream of playing Fedal, since he retired before both were born.Kodes was born in 1946 and retired around 1981.

    Laver never dreamt of beating Budge and Perry, you know...
     
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    this era isn't about nadal vs federer and nadal vs djoker only ....

    there were/are plenty of other good contests/matches:

    safin-federer AO 2005 & YEC 2004 SF
    safin-agassi AO 2004 SF
    roddick el ayanoui AO 2003 QF
    nadal verdasco AO 2009 SF

    quite a few of the federer-djokovic matches , the best of them of course being the FO 2011 final

    quite a few of the federer-murray matches including YEC 2008 RR, wimbledon 2012 final

    federer roddick wimbledon 2004, wimbledon 2009, USO 2006, USO 2007

    some of the nadal murray matches - AO 2010 QF, YEC 2010 SF

    many of the federer nalbandian matches , including YEC 2005 final, rome 2006 semi, paris 2007

    some good contests b/w coria & federer/nadal on clay

    some dominant/strong performances from players like tsonga - AO 2008, gonzales AO 2007, soderling - FO 2009 and FO 2010 ...

    etc etc ..

    But again you've never watched much of this era ........


    jeez, try to read b/w the lines. What I meant is Kodes would/could never win a major tournament beating 2 all time greats ..... del potro did that ...
     
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    Kodes beat world´s nº 1 Smith and Newcombe in order to make the Forest Hills finals, won Wimbledon and twice Roland garros.Up to this moment, the tall argentinian is SO FAAAAAAAAAAAAR AWAY of achieving this.

    I understand, however, your lack of knowledge of any tennis played in the former century.Normally that happens if you don´t watch it...
     
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    what part of 2 major champions in one major tourney don't you understand ?

    fed >> newk
    fed >>>>>>> smith

    nadal > newk
    nadal >>>smith

    yes, Kodes beat newk and smith in different USOs, but also lost to the other in the very same USOs, thus showing that he was incapable of beating 2 great players in the same tourney.

    and all 3 of Kodes major wins were against total depleted fields. That's the reason why he doesn't get talked about much. At best, regard him as a one slam winner .... ( giving him credit for 71 FO , though if Laver/Rosewall had been there, he probably wouldn't have won that either )
     
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    And what has Delpo ever done on grass? reaching a semi in an exo event like the Olimpics, at the best of three sets?

    Kodes beats all time greats Newcombe and Ashe at the 1971 USO
    Kodes beats Alexander,Pilic and Smith at the 1973 USO
    Kodes wins 1973 Wimbledon with Nastase,Borg and Connors playing it
    Kodes wins the French in 1971 with back to back wins over Zeljko Franulovic ( whon Kodes defeated in the 1970 final) and Ilie Nastase
    Kodes lost in the IOP 1971 final after defeating all timers like Stolle,Roche and Newcombe
    he also wins the Spanish Open in 1972 beating...IN A ROW...Nastase,Gimeo and Orantes¡¡¡¡

    Now, Del Potro cannot even in his wettest dreams imagine such colection of historical feats...
     
  13. TheFifthSet

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    Historically I rate Kodes above Del Potro, however I think Del Potro's greatest moment far, far surpasses Kodes's.
     
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    Any reasonable tennis expert would, at this point, give a clear if not abyssal edge to Kodes.Unfortunately, abmk has never showed to be any reasonable...you know, *******s, it takes a lot of effort to take the cover off their eyes...
     
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    grass is delpo's worst surface. He's much better on hard court and clay, where he's accomplished much more.

    yet, even on his worst surface, he's pushed nadal (wimbledo 2011 )and federer (olympics 2012) to the limit

    yes, good set of wins, though playing newk in 1R considerably raised the chance of the upset. Otherwise newk beat him comfortably most of the times, even on Kodes' best surface, clay ...

    and finally , he lost to stan smith ...

    alexander ? pilic ? LOL !!!!!!!!! smith was a good win , but again lost to newk in the finals ...

    ha ha ha, worst wimbledon of the open era

    13 of the 16 seeds not playing ( including most importantly - newk and smith ) and total of 81 players boycotting it ...

    nastase bombed out ...

    borg was a rookie on grass then. He hit his prime on grass in 76 ..

    connors was still to hit his peak ( that was in 74 )

    worst wimbledon of the open era seems inadequate to describe this pathetic field of a major ....

    zivonjinovic was just a decent clay courter. Nothing special at all ...

    The win over nastase in 71 FO is Kodes only real great win in the 3 "majors" he won .....

    lol, wut ? stolle and roche are not ATGs in singles ... nowhere close ..... roche was highly talented, but injuries cut shot his career, especially in singles ...

    fine wins, but not in a tournament of great importance ...

    he's done one thing better than anything Kodes could have dreamed of doing - beat two ATGs to win a major .....
     
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    achievements wise, right now Kodes is slightly ahead of delpo.

    However playing level wise ( that's what matters more when you count the competition ), I would put delpo easily ahead of Kodes ..... and easily expect him to surpass Kodes' achievements barring serious injuries


    ^^ read above , clueless .....

    I don't claim to be an 'expert', just a follower of tennis ...... words however fail to describe the depth of your ignorance and bias regarding tennis .....
     
  17. kiki

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    Which Indian player is the best ever?
     
  18. abmk

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    singles - tossup b/w Krishnan and Amritraj
    doubles - Paes
     
  19. kiki

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    which Krishnan?
     
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    Ramanathan ...
     
  21. ClassicSwede

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    I thought he was!

    Wasn't he one of the greatest of his era??:shock:
    To be honest Im not that old to remember him in the hight of his career,
    but correct me if Im wrong but to me it seemed like tennis had a more even playing field back then? Unlike today...

    Then someone like Pete Sampras comes along and change the game completely
    and everyone else is playing catch up, While he stays on top winning majors?
    Like Federer showed everyone that it wasn't all about power...;-)
     
  22. timnz

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    A little lower than Becker

    In my book he is a little behind Becker who had the same number of slam titles but Boris much a much more impressive record in the Major Indoor titles than Edberg (don't forget that indoor tennis was a very important part of the calendar then).
     
  23. kiki

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    Becker has a better record than Edberg basically due to indoors and their H2H.But we shouldn´t forget that Edberg was able to beat GOAT candidate Sampras in a major final ( he overwhelmed Sampras) while Boris lost all the many big finals vs Pete.
     
  24. kiki

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    While Becker had little trouble in beating baseline hitter Lendl and S&V´er Edberg, he had a lot of trouble beating baseline basher Agassi and S&Vér Sampras...isn´t it curious? or just menthal?
     

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