Should I go for the Str!ngway MS200?

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  1. Speedygonzalez

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    I have the option to buy a second hand Str!ngway MS200 with TS98 clamps.

    It sounds as a great deal but I am still doubting because I don't have any experience with Str!ngway machines and with this footpedal mechanism.

    I read great comments on Str!ngway machines in general, regarding their accuracy and mounting systems. However, could anyone share some experiences with this machine in particular?

    Should I go for it? What are the pro's and cons of this machine?

    Any info is greatly appreciated!

    Ps. Machine is marketed in the US as Laserfibre MS200 DX ;-)
     
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  2. flash9

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    Much depends on it condition and what they are asking for it?

    All-in-all it is a nice stringer and you should be happy with it.
     
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  3. Speedygonzalez

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    ^^^
    It's in almost new condition and the price is 400 euros. New costs around 1100. Have you ever used one?
     
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    I use one - and have posted a bunch about it. Search my posts and you will see a lot of info.

    At that price - it is a steal.
     
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  5. Speedygonzalez

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    ^^^ Thanks SunDog! I already thought it would be a good buy. Just wanted to have it confirmed =)
     
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  6. eagle

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    At that price and condition, someone might just beat you to it for posting your question here. :)

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  7. Speedygonzalez

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    Hahaha, I thought of that one but the chance is pretty small I think
     
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  8. eagle

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    Sounds good. :)

    Give us feedback on it when you string your first racquet.

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  9. Speedygonzalez

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    I will do that and post some pics too. But first I should get it, at least as long as no other board member has snatched it before me:evil:.....:):

    NO MORE INFO FROM MY SIDE until I have this thing in my room!
     
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  10. 1012007

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    I have recently got a used one with the SA clamps. I got it at too at around 400 euros, and i suggest to buy it ASAP. It is a great machine once you realise how do work it all. It took me around a day to figure out the calibration, tension etc but its all very easy. The support system is very good and easy to use. The foot pedal makes it 50x times easier to use than a simple dw. The only thing is, you can occasionly have problems with stretchy strings as the tensioner can reach the back and therefore not set the right tension. To avoid this just pull tension on the string by hand before putting it into the tensioner
     
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  11. flash9

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    Personally - Here in USA, this stringer with the Single Action Clamps goes for just under $1,700, so paying ~$1,100 is a very good deal, but not a steal.

    I do not know what they are selling for elsewhere.

    Something to keep in mind, I believe that the StringWay warranty is only applicable to the original owner.
     
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    yourname1245 - DO NOT post FS/T posts outside the proper forum!
     
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  13. RacquetDoctor

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    400 euro is a steal...at the current exchange rate that is about $540 US...
     
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  14. Speedygonzalez

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    It is a YES

    I had a look at the machine today and wow, this machine really looks like a tank! Rock solid and very beautiful, much nicer than I had expected. Everything seems to be made from first class material. Much better than my Taiwanese Challenger 1 :). It still has the T-bar mounting system though, but I guess that should work fine as well. The guy who was selling it was very friendly and explained to me how everything works. I think it will take me some time to get used to this pedal system but in the end I expect it to be faster. I decided it to buy it and will pick it up soon :)!
     
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  15. 1012007

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    Yeah mine has the T-bar. It works well aprt from the only bad thing is that when tensioning mains at the throat, the string has to go over the tbar in order to go to the tensioner so you do lose some tension on the first few mains but im pretty sure it all evens itself out a few mains later
     
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  16. Speedygonzalez

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    ^^^Yes that's what I noticed as well. The seller showed me how he strung the mains and he only tensioned the strings from the head side. So in this way he just pulled two strings at once with one pull. Is this ok? This is not what I do myself. I would prefer to pull over the tbar from the throat side. But 1012007, from your story I understand you would lose some tension from doing that? Why is that?
     
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    Well i lose some tension by tensioning the string over the tbar and the string rubs on the tbar and affects the tension in the stringbed. This is only for a few mains when you tension at the throat.
    You can tension 2 strings at one time so you dont have to tension the string at the throat but i feel you lose more tension doing it that way than just tensioning ths string when it is over the tbar
     
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  18. Speedygonzalez

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    Ok I see. Well, I'll see which method I prefer when i have the machine. I think that tensioning over the T bar would be better because then then each string is pulled separately. Thanks for your information!
     
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    Yeah i agree. Stringway recommend to tension 2 mains so you pull tension at the head each time but as you say, if you pull each mains 1 by 1, they will even out during the rest of the mains.
    Its a really great machine and you'll get used to the foot tensioner during your first racket:)
     
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  20. topspin

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    Stringway are really nice machines! I've owned my ML100 for over 8 years now and could not be happier with it. Solid machine, best mounting system, top-quality clamps. I have never strung on a MS200DX but I remember everyone on this board being very happy with it and stating that you can break records for stringing time with it.

    As for the t-bar issue, I used to just slip a piece of smooth plastic paper in between the string and t-bar when pulling tension. String glides smoothly with little to no tension loss. I have never pulled 2 mains at once; I never liked the idea. But I agree that the tension would even itself out after a few hits, so the 'relative' tension would not be affected. Enjoy your purchase. Post pics if you wish. I used to have a lot of pics of my machine on a yahoo photos account but yahoo canceled that service.
     
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  21. Speedygonzalez

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    The seller and I settled on the deal but I still have to pick up the machine. I don't have my own transportation and have to rely on a friend of mine who has a van. We will pick up the machine early november! Thanks topspin for your suggestion, will keep you posted!
     
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  22. eagle

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    Congrats!

    Welcome to the Stringway/Laserfibre fold. :)

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  23. Speedygonzalez

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    LOL, thanks eagle! I feel honored to be one of the fortunate:)
     
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  24. Speedygonzalez

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    YEEEESSS! Today I picked it up, finally :):):)! Going to figure out how to callibrate it tonight!

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    Awesome!

    It appears to be in excellent condition.

    Funny, the turntable/clamps look like my ECO.

    Congrats. Happy Stringing!

    r,
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  26. nadalfan!

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    Not gonna lie, but those machines never looked good IMO. It doesn't really look like a stringing machine, but hey if it does the job its good.
     
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  27. 1012007

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    Gonzalez I have the same identical machine just with single action clamps. It is the old model, old paint job and it doesnt have a function that helps if your foot should slip off the predal while tensioning which the new one has. Im not 100% sure how the function works exactly but i know the model we have doesnt have it. It also has the T-bar throat support which isnt meant to be as good as the new one but i think its fine. The only problem with the machine is when tensioning at the throat. The string has to go over the throat of the racket and strongly rests on the frame while being tensioned so the string in the frame loses tension.

    As for calibrating, you need to obv get a calibrater and see what the tension reads. If the tension on the calibrator is higher than the one suggested on the machine, turn the bolt anti-clockwise. (which is 3/4 down the machine, on the same face as the red signal) If the tension on the calibrator is lower, turn the bolt clockwise
     
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  28. Speedygonzalez

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    Thanks guys for the replies!

    Tonight I have strung 2 racquets and so far I am a happy man.

    I am getting used to the clamps and the working with the foot pedal is just awesome. The clamps themselves are great, no slippage or string damage and they work smoothly. The clamp bases do not glide very smoothly however. This is due to some slack between the clamp base and the glider when the handle of the base is set on loose. When I move the base, it does not always lies fully on the glider, causing some friction. I looked for something to adjust but only found a bolt underneath the base to adjust the tightness when fixing the base. I also didn´t see how I could take the clamp base apart. Does anyone know how to resolve this?

    Thanks for your help 1012007! I tried to calibrate the machine but I couldnt find the right bolt..... I tried all of them but nothing happened when I turned them...Is it the bolt on the right side, on the front?

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    Anyway, I think the machine is not too much of the mark. I got a SW calibrator with it and I read in another thread that the machine should be set on 20 kg. Now I am not sure which how I should read the callibrator.... Is this set allright?

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    Thanks for the help :).

    Nadalfan, yes it does not look like a conventional stringing machine, that´s the beauty of it :). And the machine is very sturdy and well built, in real it looks much better.
     
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  29. 1012007

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    Yeah it is the bolt in the pic you have, just the one up from the foot pedal. I have circled it in the picture. Whats your email? Ill email you 3 manuals and a clamp manual. They arent great for instructions but help alot.

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    If you pull that black knob upwards (in the picture), you can then set tension and calibrate. It has to be pointing upwards in order to do so.
    As for the pic of the calibrator, im not sure. I have got one, but i broke it:) It isnt that clear and i think ill just buy a digital fish scale as it will be more accurate. 20kg = 44.4lbs which is what the SW cal should be tensioned at
     
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  30. Speedygonzalez

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    1012007,

    I received the files! Thanks a lot! This machine is indeed very different from what I am used to, but so far I am enjoying stringing on it. Thanks again 1012007, eagle and all the others who posted about this machine! Where would I be without your help :) ?
     
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  31. 1012007

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    Thats fine:) glad to help. If you do need anymore help, feel free to email me or just post here. I appreciate the MS200 is totally different to any machine and I had problems at the start so no worries if you do aswell:)
    Thanks
     
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  32. scotus

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    What is the maximum tension you can string on MS200?

    Info would be very much appreciated.
     
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  33. 1012007

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    90 lbs (50kgs)
     
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    Thank you. That is without having to install anything extra, right? (i.e., with ML100, you need to have a third weight put on if you go over 68 lbs and then you have to take it off if you go below 66 lbs.)
     
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    Yeah you dont have to install anything as its not a dropweight. you simply just up the required tension
     
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  36. MAX PLY

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    Interesting machine. I am curious--how does the MS200 pull string tension?
     
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    Thanks. Is the tensioning device (activated by the foot pedal) some sort of mechanical constant pull or is it a lock out? It appears to be the former but it was a little hard to tell from the video. Looks like a nice machine.
     
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    It is constant pull, you press down the foot pedal to open the jaws, you then lift your foot off the pedal th tension the string
     
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    Thanks again.
     
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  41. scotus

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    By the way, you meant 40.8 kgs? I am not quite sure whether you erred on the pounds or kgs.
     
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  42. scotus

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    Is the stand on the MS200 adjustable for height?
     
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    No its not, i think the higher end electronic machines are
     
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  44. volusiano

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    I have the LaserFibre version of the MS200 myself with double clamp. Basically the same machine as the Stringway MS200 except for the name. I've been very happy with it myself.

    By the way, to answer a question in one of the posts about how it pulls tension, there's a big heavy spring inside of the stand that provides the pulling force. The constant pull feature is through the use of the same head tensioner as the drop weight version. Except that the pulling force is done by the mechanical spring instead of the drop weight.

    I bought a digital scale to calibrate my MS200 but I ended up not having to do any adjustment as shipped to me because the readings were right on the dot (maybe within 1-2%). I also used the fixed 40 lbs calibrator that came with the stringer and the reading was also right on. I tried various grabbing positions on the head tensioner to test for constant pull and it passes with flying colors, too.
     
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  45. scotus

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    1012007 or volusiano or anyone who owns one of these,

    Would you mind measuring the height (preferably in ft and in, but metric is fine) of the MS200 from the floor to the frame mount?

    Since the stand is not adjustable, I want to see if I could use this without putting strain on my back.
     
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