Should I take the forfeit or let it slide?

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  1. popsicleian

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    Just signed up for the local singles ladder and scheduled my first match for this morning. The guy sends me a message through the league website yesterday at noon asking to move the match from 8:30 to 8. I saw the message around 10 last night and sent him a text letting him know that 8 was fine.

    I showed up at 7:50ish, and practiced my serve for a while. Finally at 8:20 he leaves me a message telling me that he hurt his back last night and couldn't make it.

    I know I have every right to take the win, but it feels cheap to get a win in my first ladder match that way. On the other hand, if he hurt his back last night, it sure would have been nice if he had let me know earlier so I didn't have to wake up early on my Sunday and drive to the park for nothing. What should I do?

    I have another match before work tomorrow morning, so at least I'll get a real result soon.
     
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  2. Roforot

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    Take the default and move on. Guy sounds like a flake; if he'd texted you before he left, then I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
     
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  3. jdubbs

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    What a jerk. Default for sure.
     
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  4. Cindysphinx

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    I would default him and forget him.

    These days, it is so easy to reach someone that it clear this fellow doesn't value your time very much.

    Plus, the back injury is almost certainly a fib, and that too is annoying. If he lacks the honor to tell the truth about the real reason he left you hanging, I'd kick him to the curb.
     
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  5. popsicleian

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    Alright, I went ahead and gave him the default. Only 84 more ladder rungs to climb before I can call myself the greatest tennis player in Arlington County.

    Looking forward to tomorrow morning, so I can lose fair and square.
     
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  6. blakesq

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    I agree, when a jerk wastes your time by scheduling a match with you and doesn't even show up, he does not deserve any consideration. On the other hand, if something horrible happened to him, like (God forbid) his wife died last night, then, that would be a different story.
     
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  7. jdubbs

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    A story: i was playing a match when a funeral procession went by. My opponent stopped, put his hat over his heart and said a little prayer. I thought that was a little extreme, but touching, and told him so. He said, "Well, it WAS my wife and all."
     
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  8. dcdoorknob

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    Pretty much agree with others.

    If he'd at least had the decency to contact you the previous evening, I might consider trying to work with him to reschedule or something instead of a default. But him waiting until 20 minutes after he agreed to play to finally let you know that he's not coming isn't going to cut it. Forget that. Default and don't worry about it.
     
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  9. floridatennisdude

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    I'd take a default in that scenario. If he challenges you back, I'd make it a priority to schedule him. However, if he no shows twice I would never try to play him again.
     
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  10. OrangePower

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    Ladder match?

    I would take the default if I thought I had a good chance to beat the guy. Otherwise if I was a massive underdog I would not take the default.

    Presumably there is nothing to gain by winning/losing other than placing on the ladder... so ultimately the real goal is to find your true 'slot'. No point in taking a default and taking an unrealistically high position only to end up getting dropped again when you lose to people below you.

    On the other hand, maybe I would take the default after all just to punish the guy for feeding you obvious bullsh*t.
     
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  11. nickarnold2000

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    I don't like taking defaults but if you don't then he'll probably keep doing this to other people.
     
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  12. GlennK

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    +1

    That is the best reason for taking the default.
     
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  13. Taxvictim

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    Good call to default him. I agree with Cindy. He most likely overslept or forgot, then made a weak excuse.
     
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  14. blip

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    I thought I'd post on an existing thread rather than create a new one.

    What if I had a scheduled match but was very late. I actually thought the match was an hour later. I was busy with my family and over-looked it. My opponent waited a half hour then emailed me and left the courts. I saw the email about 15 minutes later and called him to play. He said no and forfeited me for the playoff match. The rule I believe is a email and call before a forfeit.

    Shoe on the other foot, I would have been mad but I would have called before a forfeit. I also would have still played.

    Doesn't matter either way since it's just tennis but wondering how TT posters feel.

    TIA
     
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  15. spot

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    If you show up more than 30 minutes late then you are not respecting your opponent's time. THey should take the default and you should simply accept it gracefully as it was completely your mistake.
     
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  16. blip

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    Thanks Spot, understood. I am usually very responsible. Funny how kids change time...

    I asked him to play for fun and I would give him a few games and gas money but no love.
     
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  17. catfish

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    I get so tired of people saying they feel guilty for "taking" a default. If you show up on time for a scheduled match, and the opponent doesn't, they are "giving" you a default. You are not being a jerk if you default the match. You are, in fact, following league rules. League rules are in place to give structure to the league. Otherwise, it would be chaos. Can you imagine what would happen if there was no default rule in place? How long would people have to wait? Hours? Days? How many matches would have to be rescheduled, and how many times could the opponent show up late for the rescheduled match?

    The standard time in Friend at Court (and most local league rules) is 15 minutes. If a player is 15 minutes late or more it's a default. If the on time player chooses to wait extra time because he or she has the time, then OK. Go ahead and play the match. But time is valuable and all of us are busy. Waiting more than 15 minutes for a late opponent should not be the norm, and no one should be criticized for defaulting a match when the opponent is late or a no show.
     
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  18. IA-SteveB

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    I totally agree with you on that point. 30 minutes is a long time to wait around, plus you are making the on-time opponent LATER for things he might have going on after the match.
     
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  19. OrangePower

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    In your opponent's shoes, I would have taken the default and refused to play you later that day. I don't care about the result of a ladder match but on principle you should be penalized for your lack of consideration. And I would not rearrange my day's schedule in order to accommodate you.

    Having said that, we've all forgotten an appointment at some time or another. So if you called me to apologize I would agree to play you for fun some other time, based on my schedule. And I would expect you to pay for the beers afterwards!
     
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  20. blip

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    LOL exactly what I did. I'm different though, I bring beers to the match.
     
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  21. spot

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    Your kids do not make your opponent's time worth any less. In fact I'd think that it would make you understand just how much time does matter.
     
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  22. blip

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    Spot, I was joking bc people with parents are always late. To add to that we are on asian time which is also later.

    I knew that was coming, I forgot I needed to be very clear when typing on forums.
     
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  23. West Coast Ace

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    Yep. Encouraging bad behavior. The only way one might give a pass is if it's a small ladder and one is worried about getting enough good matches. But with 84 people, the OP should get his money's worth.

    The rest of your post and the use of the phrase 'league rules' did make me think of Walter in The Big Lebowski. 'Mark it zero, Donny!'

    And if you start the match, depending on the facility, you might not finish.
     
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  25. McLovin

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    I've played a couple tournaments where the tournament director has approached me to say my opponent was late, either because of traffic or getting the time wrong, and asked if I would play the match instead of taking the default.

    In all cases I've played the match, although in one case (doubles) the USTA official forced us to dock them a game, as well as the coin toss, meaning we started serving up 1-0 w/ choice of side.

    My feeling is this: I paid the $ to play tournament matches, not advance my ranking (don't play enough tournaments for it to matter), so where's the benefit of winning without playing?

    Now, if I was a "tournament regular", had a national ranking, and had aspirations of winning the thing, I might consider the default to save my body for later rounds.
     
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  26. Bdarb

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    Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling.. there are rules!


    MARK IT ZERO
     
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  27. mikeler

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    I'm with McLovin. I signed up for leagues to play tennis, winning was always the secondary goal.
     
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  28. Cindysphinx

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    Oh, Catfish. Adorable, rule-following, sensible Catfish. What are we going to do with you?

    Surely by now you know that the folks at TT will rip you a new one if you default your opponent for being late. They will also hand you your head if you play timed matches and you impose tardiness penalties set forth in the league rules.

    You know what really gets the TT folks' panties in a wad? If your opponents are waaaaay more than 15 minutes late and, instead of taking their default on the spot, you just penalize them as though they had been 14 minutes late.

    Nope. The person standing there prepared to play at the appointed time is the bad guy at TT.

    Cindy -- hoping the sarcasm came through loud and clear
     
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  29. catfish

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    Good one! :) Also remember that the person who follows league rules exhibits poor sportsmanship. That accusation flies around all the time. It really kills me.
     
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  30. OrangePower

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    I think most of us would agree. The goal first is to play tennis.

    So yeah, if we're talking 30 mins late, and you are already at the venue and have time to play the match, then I would always prefer to play rather than take the default.

    But if I've already left the facility, and/or have other plans for later that day that mean I can't just push back the match, then I will take the default.
     
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  31. mikeler

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    I get what you are saying. There was a time when I was in a local non USTA league and I needed 1 more win to make the playoffs. I tried many times to get this guy to play me but he was non responsive so I had to put in my last win as a default. I did that of course so I could play more tennis though!
     
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  32. tennis tom

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    A win's a win.
     
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