should junior players switch to the pros earlier?

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  1. dominikk1985

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    Another junior thread. we often talked about how the young generation "sucks".

    I think one thing they should do is switching to the pros earlier. many players try to get their junior slam till they are 18 yo and basically mostly play on the junior circuit.

    I think it would be way better if the top juniors cut their junior tourneys down and instead starting to play a big schedule at the futures and satelites. I don't even think they should get wild cards into wimbledon but instead have tough matches against the 18-23 yo small tournament players instead of winning junior titles.

    those small tournaments are a tough grind and the earlier you start it the earlier you will have the toughness for the big guys.

    if more players did that instead of stuffing their vita with meaningless junior titles probably more would be in the top100 at 17-19 instead of 20-22-
     
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  2. Mustard

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    Perhaps. Nadal, for example, barely played in any junior tournaments. 2002 Junior Wimbledon was one of the very few that he played in, losing in the semi finals. From 2001, Nadal generally did satellites, futures, challengers and then the main tour, but very few junior tournaments.
     
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  3. LeeD

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    Wouldn't that depend how well developed the player's game is?
    Some guys are still shellshocked and learning new strokes at 17.
    Some guys are getting bored after hitting too many tennis balls.
    Some guys haven't reached nearly a physical maturity. Some have.
    Isn't every player different? And different rules apply for different players? And different schedules too?
     
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  4. dominikk1985

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    I was talking about top prospects here i.e. top 10 (thus posted in the pro player section and not the coaching section:)) in the world at their age group. lower level juniors (i.e. 99.9 of all juniors) should of course keep playing junior tournaments.
     
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  5. LeeD

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    Hopefully, you know that not all top prospects are the same.
    Take Felipwo here. He's a great player, fast, great endurance, quick, smart, but physically will be punished by the DelPos and Soderlings in might meet, wrecking his confidence. He needs to grow to his full height, and adopt more of Hewitt's and Ferrer's philosophy of play.
     
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  6. citybert

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    Interesting thread.

    Nadal kicked butt in satellites and futures at 15/16. I think many of the top 10 juniors do commonly practice with ATP players and former pros it maybe that since the game has changed to become so much more physical the peaks may come a little later now.
     
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  7. West Coast Ace

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    I don't think using Nadal as a barometer is a good idea; he's a one in a billion.


    If they have one or more killshot and are mature enough, fine. Otherwise they're just gonig to get their @sses kicked over and over and only improve their packing and unpacking skills.
     
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  8. dominikk1985

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    well I'm not talking about them playing majors but playing 200-300 ranked players. those will challenge them but not beat them up. of course playing DP or sod (if he plays again) would be too much for them:).

    however most of today's 18 yo junior slam winners are now ranked like 700 in the world at the time of their win.

    if they started to play more small tourney at age 16 they would be ranked like 250 when they turn 18. that is a whole different level of competition but I don't think a 23 yo 200 ranked player should be too much for a 17 yo junior wimbledon champion.

    I'm actually against giving too young players WCs to top tournaments. Gasquet has gotten a FO WC at age 15 and so have many other top prospects. I think you would help those players more by giving them WCs for challenger tournaments. If they show up at a slam at age 16 that is a nice experience but usually just gives them a beating.

    but if they were playing 150 ranked challenger guys they would get much more playing experience. the important thing is not climbing in the ranks in the first place but to improve- then the climbing will come quickly.
     
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  9. nadal_GOAT_king

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    It's purely anecdotal for me to say this. I tend to notice that those in their late teens today (born in the early '90s) seem to look rather underdeveloped physically. Look at the likes of Dimitrov and Tomic. If I didn't know who they were, I'd think they were just 16 or 17. This is the problem, perhaps?
     
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    If they're going to get there they will get there. Murray didn't play on the tour much before turning 18, yet ended 2005 ranked in the 60s. Murray then ended 2006 at #17 at only 19 years of age. If the players are going to get there and are talented enough, they will.
     
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    Agree w this. Many enter in local futures and if they do well then they will progress. Maybe they are entering in them and not making it anywhere. I dont think the ATP site shows futures.

    I just think the game is different now when sampras chang and agassi were winning GS matches as teenager or even us open and FO in some cases.

    Nadal was probably one of the last ones to win a slam as a teen for a while.
     
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  12. citybert

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    Haha must be all the processed food.

    But the best athletes are not going into tennis so you are prob right.
     
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  13. Bartelby

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    I think current medical advice is against too excessive a physical training regime too young.
     
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  14. Bartelby

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    Rather interesting from the NYY:

    But interestingly, young people do not generally add muscular power in quite the same way as adults. They rarely pack on bulk. Adults, particularly men but also women, typically add muscle mass when they start weight training, a process known as muscular hypertrophy (or, less technically, getting buff). Youths do not add as much or sometimes any obvious muscle mass as a result of strength training, which is one of the reasons many people thought they did not grow stronger. Their strength gains seem generally to involve “neurological” changes, Dr. Faigenbaum said. Their nervous systems and muscles start interacting more efficiently. A few small studies have shown that children develop a significant increase in motor-unit activation within their muscles after weight training. A motor unit consists of a single neuron and all of the muscle cells that it controls. When more motor units fire, a muscle contracts more efficiently. So, in essence, strength training in children seems to liberate the innate strength of the muscle, to activate the power that has been in abeyance, unused.
     
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  15. NickC

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    Depends on how good and "prepared" they are by age 15 or 16. If they don't already have a pro game, then they should probably play the junior tour and try to get a few satellite events to see how they do. The more successful at a lower level they are should be seen as a barometer as to how much they should play the pro level before age 18.
     
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