Should the ProStaff 90 be redeveloped?

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  1. 10sdude85

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    Since Federer is sticking with his 90, do you guys think some new technology in the 90 is better than him switching to a bigger head size? Wilson obviously has prototypes that Roger has been testing from time to time but it doesn't seem like he's too serious about switching. Would this be a better alternative? Don't bash me just a curious question.
     
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  2. Devilito

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    there hasn't been any advancements in racquet technology since the early 80s. The only thing that's really different is the strings
     
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    ...liquid metal sounded cooler than basalt or innegra.
     
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  4. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I heard Wilson is adding an adjustable tensioning mechanism that will instantaneously change the tension of the sweet spot. And the adjustment will come from the grip. So if you're on the baseline, you can have a lower tension, and when you're inside the court, you can have a higher tension.

    Also, Wilson has broken down the structure of graphite to the molecular scale. This allows the graphite molecules in the racquet to self-multiply and change shape. Effecting allowing the racquet to extend and expand on the fly. The energy to do so will come from the impact of the balls.
     
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    Federer's change needs to come from inside his head, not the racquet. Confidence makes him play better. No amount of money in the world can buy that, nor will a racquet change it...
     
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    What's is old is new again....

    The Bergstrom (sp?) Long String had a key that enabled you to "tune" your tension. I believe there was another racquet from years past which had the same type feature.
     
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    Sounds like a YAMAHA racquet with a self tuning device impregnated in the mold.
     
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    I can see where you got the inspiration for this trolling post...

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    What are we talking about?
     
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  11. BreakPoint

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    It should be the opposite. Take all technology (if it really exists at all) OUT of the Tour 90. All that garbage has ruined the racquet. The PS 6.0 85 is still a better racquet than all the Tour 90s because it doesn't contain any of these unnecessary and useless "technologies". Wilson should take all the garbage out of it and make a true ProStaff 6.0 90. :)
     
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    You calling that a troll?
    WHOOSH
     
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    Not saying "Say Chi Sin Lo" is a troll, he's one of my favorite posters btw, i'm just saying he was trolling in that particular post.
     
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  14. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Haha, I am? Thank you, I appreciate it.

    Anyways, adjustable tensioning and de-molecularization of graphite is happening.
     
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    Yes you're, one of my top10. You're a rational and reasonable person and, sadly, that's hard to find in this board nowadays..
     
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  16. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I try to be, I just think there's so much BS on these forums, and these people will believe anything another member will say.

    As far as the Tour 90, a direct descendant of the 6.0 line with its 80%/20% graphite/kelvar construction, there are photographic evidence of said construction as well.

    Show me proof of Tour 90's construction. Otherwise, I'm not a believer of these "n-coded", "karophite (k-factor)", and "basalt (BLX)" construction. A while back, when the k90 was still readily available, the spec sheet had "80%/20% graphite/karophite". Hmmm, sounds familiar?

    I've hit with the 85 and my blx90, and they feel similar enough. I'm going to say this based on feel. Unless there is evidence suggesting otherwise, I have no reason to believe Tour 90s are anything but a 80%/20% graphite/kevlar construction. This concludes my rant on "technology". Sorry, I meant marketing.

    BUT, I'm telling you. All of that is going to change. Adjustable tensioning and de-molecularization of graphite is happening.
     
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  17. THESEXPISTOL

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    I know what you mean... They just throw an insignificant % of the almighty material and throw a new paintjob.
     
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    Some folks here say that either the 4d100 is the successor of the 85, more recently, some say the yonex core 89. but curious how most of the opinions agree that none of the recent tour90 (at least after the k90) is a worthy successor of the pro staff 85, so in my humble opinion, there are a few good modern mids out there. its just a question of geting one that fits your style of play. I still think that the swiss guy might make the change to the 98 sp inch frame, those are good too, just look at the recent ig prestige pro, and now the pk qtour, both amazing frames. but for his style of play, the tour90 is like a taylor made suit.
    if that raquet can be made to endure the game as it is today i do not know, i do know that everything changes, everything evolves, and nothing is ever the same as the years go by.
    whe get older... our parents die... our kids grow old and move out
    and even federer starts loosing some, but as a secret that every one here knows, hes not done just quite yet!
     
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  19. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    People need to realize that racquets and other misc. equipment complement one's game, not make or break it.

    If you're tagging fences left and right, and you're dumping shots into the middle of the net, I'm pretty sure the result will be the same with every other racquet.

    But I'm sure nobody here with their perfect flawless technique and strokes would want to hear that. Everyone here averages 5 unforced errors or less per set. And if the stats deviate, it's because of the equipment.
     
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  20. BreakPoint

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    The PS 6.0 85/95 feel noticeably different from all the different Tour 90s and all the Tour 90s feel different from each other, i.e., the HPS Tour 90 feels different from the nCode 90, which feels different from the K90, which feels different from the BLX90, which feels different from the BLX PS 90. They each have their own unique feels, some more subtle than others. I do know for a fact that both the HPS Tour 90 and the nCode 90 contain HyperCarbon. With the K90, they took out the HyperCarbon but kept in the SiO2 molecules from the nCode 90, which is probably why the K90 feels closer to the PS 6.0 85/95 than the others. Both the BLX90 and the BLX PS 90 feel more muted than the K90, with the BLX PS 90 feeling softer. None of them feel exactly like the PS 6.0 85/95, so there is definitely more in them than just plain old 80% graphite/20% Kevlar. Also, at least the HPS Tour 90 and nCode 90 are Double Braided (graphite/HyperCarbon + graphite/Kevlar), while the PS 6.0 85/95 is just braided (graphite/Kevlar).
     
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  21. Bobby Jr

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    Well they're not braided in their construction - I had a broken one here - so their construction isn't the same even if they do have kevlar in them, which they probably don't. It would be a pointless extra cost if they could make it without.

    You think? They feel vastly different sorry. This is one thing Breakpoint and I will likely agree on - none of the 90s have been that similar close but the BLX is the least similar (compared to the K6.1 Tour).
     
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  22. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Haha, I guess my perception is slightly off from everyone else than. I agree that none of the Tour 90s hit like the 85, but I thought the BLX was the closest (really close in my opinion).
     
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  23. v-verb

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    If they could make a 90 or a 95 that had the same swing and feel as the old PS85's then I think Fed would have his new stick.

    Probably harder to do than it sounds however.
     
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    Some people like me don't even consider the Pro Staff 85 and the Pro Staff Original 6.0 to be the same racquet.
    I've hit with a couple of "Originals" and I've owned the Pro Staff Tour 90, nCodes, K-Factors and the BLX and. And none were like the PS85.
     
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  25. 10sdude85

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    I heard a while ago about Sampras' racket being made in a factory on the caribbean islands somewhere. He loved the make of those rackets so much that when the factory shut down he bought all the left over frames and used those for the rest of his career. The factory in chicago that started making the prostaffs for him just weren't the same to him. This just indicates that there are differences in the make of the racket. Unless Sampras was just OCD.
     
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    Welcome to the legend of the St. Vincent factory.
     
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    A compromise between an 85 and a 90 pehaps? :) Like a bona fide ProStaff 6.0 88!:)
     
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    Well...I started with a TW PS85 with full gut. LOVED it! Got a chance to buy a StV. Loved that too. Picked up a black butt China PS85. Too flexy and balance is off.

    So there is a difference. Whether you prefer a StV or another version is up to you, but there is a difference between the versions.
     
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    Check my thread in Classic Racquets as I recently got given a St Vincent.
     
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    The fact is wilson tried and proved that the tour 90 cannot be made into a much better stick. All they have been doing is to change the feel and sw, etc. here and there to make it feels different from the last model.

    The only major thing a racket company did over the last decade is the babolat style super stiff, 100 sq in. Pretty much everything else is more gimmick than anything else.
     
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    Wow. I feel like collecting all the 90s just so I can try this...
     
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    Saw it before. Nice!
     
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    How dare you guys say that technology hasn't helped tennis rackets since the 80's. My Fischer Magnetic Speed Pro One creates magnetic forcefields that do something dammit!!

    Ok, but yeah that was probably the biggest BS "technology of them all
     
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    Why Not keep the head size

    Well Wilson appears to have molds and is playing with constructions:
    eg-materials, flex, balence etc.

    A suggestion is take the same headsize but change the mold. Having done Mech Eng @ Uni, i thing this could yeild some good results.

    Concept:
    -22mm thick beam on the frame
    -No PWSsame string pattern (or maybe try a stream type pattern for Inc spin)
    match the same flex pattern, so the frame may have reduce flex (more power), but flexs in the same places etc.
    -Keep the 90 headsize
    -Possibley reduce the weight

    About 20 years ago Head made the Graphite tour 600, this was a lighter more powerful frame based on the shape of the original Prestige600.

    My idea would be Wilson doing something similar, as the thicher beam will give more power (compensating to fell swing speed), a stream string pattern will create more spin/ controlling the power., & lighter weight increasing the potential to swing faster (as even a lighter frame can match swing weight).

    Recently i got the chance to use the Volkl Organix V1 Pro, now i like the prestige (had a few of them), and the DNX 10 MId, so trying this frame was a huge revalation. Just so much easier to play the same game as i usally do, just felt so much more controlled and more result for the same effort on my strokes. So after this i fully understand what FedEx is trying to achieve.
     
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    Keep it up Breakpoint, i could not agree more..
     
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  36. BLX_Andy

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    Yeah. There are way too many variables to adjust to create a 90/95 that feels EXACTLY like the 85. But it's worth a try.
     
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    I wonder how Wilson will market this....? Seems like a great idea though.
     
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  38. BreakPoint

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    I think they should just market it as a "ProStaff 6.0 90 Original". :)
     
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  39. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Take out the "Original" and I'll be very satisfied. They just need to stop calling it the "6.1", because that belongs with the other non-boxy, 22mm cannon line. :)
     
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    The "Original" moniker is to signal to customers that only the original materials of 80% graphite/20% Kevlar are contained in the frame, none of any of the other non-original additives. 100% pure and natural, no high fructose corn syrup, no artificial colors nor flavors, no trans fats, etc. :)
     
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  41. ENJOY TENNIS

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    What model is not braided?
     
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    I think that they should also put the 80% graphite/20% kevlar label also on the frame.
     
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    The BLX 90. I had a look at one which had been broken and then completely smashed and it didn't look like the PS85s I've seen broken over the years.

    Maybe the K6.1 Tour was braided and that's why there was such a huge change in feel from that to the BLX.
     
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  44. ENJOY TENNIS

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    The BLX 90 or the BLX Pro Staff 90?
     
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    I wrote BLX 90. If I had meant the BLX Pro Staff I would have written that.
     
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