Should the Service "Let" be axed?

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Should the Service "Let" be axed?

Poll closed Aug 31, 2009.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Don't Mind

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  1. jimbo333

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    Should the Service "Let" be axed?

    It seems to slow the game down. It existed so that the retuner had a fair chance to get the ball back, but now that the Service "Ace" exists, it seems to be redundant, and it is surely time to get rid of it?
     
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  2. batz

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    Disagree completely - would fundamentally change the game of tennis IMO.
     
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  3. nikdom

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    Lets should be allowed on service only if the ball lands "dead".
     
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  4. Tennis would be a lot more exciting for sure.
     
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  5. jackson vile

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    They should get rid of it, total BS. Otherwise they should make it even and not allow a let on ground strokes.

    You have to be consistent.
     
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  6. Kostas

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    I've always thought this...either way it should apply to both serves and groundies. Doesn't make a lot of sense to have it the way it is.

    I think it'd make tennis marginally more interesting if the service let was done away with.
     
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  7. bbash

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    It would be pretty hard to judge what a "dead" ball is.
     
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  8. bigfoot910

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    Having played this rule in D1, it is completely bogus... Why would anyone want to bring any more luck into a skill game? Can't tell you how many points are lost by some stupid little dribbler over the net that doesn't even hardly bounce...
     
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  9. JRstriker12

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    Man, if it hadn't been for those service lets, that 5-setter wouldn't have lasted four hours..... ;)
     
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  10. coloskier

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    My sentiments exactly. Losing to a lucky net cord should be taken out of tennis.
     
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  11. jimbo333

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    What about the ones that just touch the net, and can be played as normal but have to called a "Let"?

    The "Luck" will even out in a 3 or 5 set match normally. And getting rid of "Let"s would speed the game up!

    I'm surprised "Lets" are getting so much support in the poll!!!
     
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  12. Blade0324

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    Let's should for sure be kept around. It is a reasonable way to keep things level. Groundstrokes that hit the net have never been considered LETS and thus are different IMO. If you want to get rid of a ball that clips the tape and drops over for a winner then you need to get rid of balls being played around the net post too.
    I think it's fine just how it is.
     
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  13. bigfoot910

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    The biggest luck I am talking about is, some of the tournaments we played, especially dubs, were played with No-ad scoring. Now imagine losing an entire game due to some stupid piece of luck...

    It may even out over the course of a match, but the frustration factor just kinda sticks with you...

    You also have to understand, if you cut out lets, what are you gaining? Maybe 3-5 minutes per match? Is it really worth it? It really doesn't slow it down that much... Our matches were every bit as long as if we had played them with lets.
     
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  14. S H O W S T O P P E R !

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    Absolutely not, it'll be a sad day for tennis when someone hits a 30mph ace.
     
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  15. skip1969

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    i've martina navratilova moaning about let serves . . . i think it's silly to want to change the rule. as has been suggested, it won't alter the length of matches in any real way, and on the flip side, you could make luck much more of a factor. it my be fun to do when you're playing in the park, but i don't want to see the pros have to deal with racing to the net on a dribbley let serve when he has a break point against ivo karlovic. like it isn't hard enough to return serve these days without having to worry about let serves having their trajectory altered.

    nothing the tour has done in the last 20 years has sped up matches. tennis will never be a sport that will please tv execs and fit into a nice, predetermined time slot. some matches will last an hour and a half, some will last four. that's just how it is.
     
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  16. Badger

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    Not a bad idea. Not saying I totally agree with it but I'd consider it. Comes with a negative though, by giving more power to the umpire you are likely to get feuds over the calls.
     
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  17. mikeler

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    Lost a critical breakpoint last night on my opponent's crazy spin framed forehand. I like taking luck out of the equation as much as possible.
     
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  18. herosol

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    uhm its worked. why change it?
     
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  19. Ratsoup

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    Ugh, how did you come with such a bad idea? At first I started to read these forums, I thought smart people were posting here. Now I'm having doubts. I mean people who play tennis at level 3.0 or something shouldn't even get the idea in their heads to change the rules. wtf is what?
     
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  20. Vermillion

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    don't go into the general pro player discussion when you want to discuss tennis.

    oh.. too late.
     
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  21. Bud

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    How would that be hard?... A dead ball bounces twice inside the service box... or once inside the service box and then in the doubles alley (or completely outside the court).

    It would be a very rare ball that hits the net, bounces inside the service box once time and then continues inside the court toward the receiver.
     
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  22. Max G.

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    In that case, you're forcing the returner to try to make a linecall - do they hit the ball before it bounces twice, or is that second bounce going to be inside the line?

    That would be incredibly annoying. "Oops - you should've hit that one, it landed just outside the line!" "Nope, video replay shows that he probably shouldn't have gone for that tough shot, would've been a dead ball.."
     
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  23. Bud

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    See bolded portion above.
     
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  24. geese_com

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    I disagree. I think it would actually throw off the flow of the game more than having lets.
     
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  25. flat

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    Why do we accept this? If tennis doesn't evolve it's going to be left in the dust.

    I don't really care about lets, but we need to shorten the length of tennis matches. I am often surprised people don't see the benefit of it....
     
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  26. flat

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    Can you elaborate? If the game of tennis is that fragile, then nothing can possibly be changed...and tennis will never improve.

    Let or not, it's not really a big deal in my mind. We should get rid of it because it shortens the game.
     
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  27. Nadal_Freak

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    Nope. It is just fine the way it is.
     
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  28. Leublu tennis

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    You know, thats a very good point.
     
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  29. 35ft6

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    Yes! Axe it. Now. There's no need for it at all.
     
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  30. Leublu tennis

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    I am tempted to say the same thing. With a let, the ball lands in the service court and with a great deal of pace on it. So why not have the receiver return it? What exactly is the point of a let? That it interferes with the return of the serve? So do bad bounces. So do balls that slide off when they hit a line. All part of the game.
     
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  31. lightning.lu10

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    Then people would just be aiming for the net cord making it virtually impossible to lose your service match. If you go for the net cord, it forces the guy to move up, then you bring out a 120 mph serve.
     
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  32. Dgpsx7

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    they should keep it. Key points in a match should not end with a let point. As exciting as that would be it is unfair.
     
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  33. lawrence

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    why would you get rid of this rule? its worked fine since - whenever it was introduced
    and can you imagine, being a pro player and standing behind the baseline to receive a massive serve
    only to have the ball hit the cord and dropshot, while you run and cry because there's no chance you're going to reach it in time

    players apologize for cord balls that win rallies, but you can't stop play just for that

    cords on serves however, are completely avoidable
    hence the let
     
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  34. RoddickRook

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    No it shouldn't. It allows the game to start fairly.
     
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    no...how many service lets are there in an average professional tennis match? Would be willing to bet less than 10 per match. How long does it take to retake a serve? 30 seconds at most. You would save five minutes per match. Hardly worth it. If you really wanted to speed up the game, reduce the number of sets in GS's from best of 5 to best of 3. Take out second serves. Remove deuces altogether. Not that I advocate any of the above, but there are far more effective ways of reducing the time taken in a tennis match than allowing random acts of luck that may alter the course of a tennis match.
     
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  36. tennisdad65

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    Axe it. I hate it when I ace someone and they call a let :twisted:
     
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  37. Sentinel

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    "Lets" are a pain, esp on second serves in the WTA where so many are prone to DFing at critical points.

    Just yesterday, Elena had a let on a 2nd serve, which could easily have been picked by Serena. Then she double faulted and was broken.

    Lets should be scrapped from serves. The only exception would be (if at all) the ball bounces two times in the service box after netting.
     
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  38. jimbo333

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    I got the idea from Martina Navratilova, who was quite a good player in her day:)
     
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  39. jimbo333

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    I still think the Let should be axed!

    I'm amazed 74% think it should remain!
     
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  40. JeMar

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    No, it would be gimmicky and pointless.
     
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  41. 35ft6

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    Absolutely yes. No need for it at all.
     
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  42. JeMar

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    How does it hurt the game?

    Do you really want a Wimbledon championship to come down to a lucky serve that crept over the net and died?
     
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  43. mikethehamster

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    lets as faults? or playing lets?
     
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  44. cucio

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    Anything that would help tennis matches to be more regular in their duration will help its TV broadcast appeal, let tradition be damned if it is hurting the popularity of the sport. How the essence of tennis would be defiled if matches were time-bound instead of point-bound?

    I don't think eliminating service lets would help, what we really need is more regularity, a few minutes shorter on average will make little impact since you can't schedule it anyway.

    Anyway, for those complaining about luck... Luck is part of the game, has many forms, tends to even out and, most importantly, for luck to count for the result the contenders have to be even. How's that different winning by a lucky let serve than by just one more ace or a routine big serve, easy put away play? It's nice that the last point is an epic one, but on MP either the loser is on his knees or the match has been that even that it will be have been decided anyway by a few lucky points here and there through the whole match.
     
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  45. 35ft6

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    This is the most common argument I hear and I say what if the return hits the net and dribbles over? Another answer would be, "hey, if I had to choose, I wouldn't want a Grand Slam to be won on a double fault or unforced error" but what does that matter?
     
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  46. crazylevity

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    Let it be
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  47. film1

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    People with flat serves have less margin for error so it would be tougher on them.
     
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  48. shabby

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    Hype job Roddick wouldn't be able to cope.
     
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  49. jackson vile

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    You have to be consistent
     
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  50. Petit Nicolas

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    I think it should be the returner's choice. If the returner chooses to play the ball as it is, then it's game on. If not, he can let it go and then the server should have another shot (just like today). That way, if the ball is a bit slower because of the let, the returner can play it and have the advantage in the point. If the ball drops short he probobly will not make a run for it, and they will replay the point.
     
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