Sidespin keeps making my topspin backhand down the line go wide...

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  1. tennis_hack

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    I've noticed that when I try to hit topspin backhands down the line, as the ball leaves my racket it looks like it's going to land well inside the line, but then it curves in flight dramatically (like a 'banana' shot) until it drifts well wide by the time it lands. I tend to hit very loopy and quite high over the net as well, so the ball has loads of time to bend in the air, which doesn't help.

    If you look at the backhand Gasquet hits at 2:40 in the link below;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9ddvtzOhjHI#t=160s

    That's the same curve my backhand down the line follows, but whereas it worked for Gasquet in that instance because he aimed for a shot down the middle but the sidespin hooked it away from his opponent (yet still in the court), it doesn't work for me because I aim it down the line (inside the court), and the sidespin takes it out of the court.

    How do I reduce or eliminate the sidespin on my topspin backhands down the line?

    If it matters I use a 1hbh, and a semi-western grip.
     
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  2. rkelley

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    Are you specifically talking about cc shots that you're taking dtl?
     
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    It just means that you don't have the control to make that high-risk shot consistently. If anything, you should keep the sidespin (as it will make your opponent's life much harder) and just aim a little more to the right; give yourself margin if you know that your shot will move several feet.

    If you do want to have a straighter shot, I'd suggest opening up less and keeping the body sideways more when making contact, focusing on a more solid contact thru the ball.
     
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  4. EatMyForehand

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    Hmmm, this is interesting. You sure it's sidespin and not the wind?

    I'm playing out every scenario in my head where your topspin down the line will have sidespin and the only thing that comes to mind is you're hitting it really eary on the rise with the racquet tilted with a slight angle.

    Can't explain the spin on Gasquet's shot.

    Can anyone else chime in here? Curious on others thoughts on this.
     
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  5. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    You sure you're hitting topspin shots...?
     
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  6. rkelley

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    If you're playing a cc shot dtl there's naturally going to be a side spin component to the shot because of the angle the ball's coming into and leaving the racquet. You can minimize the side spin by hitting through the ball more, but since you're going dtl that's going to add risk to the shot. Also the harder the incoming shot is the harder it's going to be to stick it enough to not have that "roll off the racquet" as you go dtl.

    The best bet, IMO, is to realize the situations where you're going to have that side spin and deal with it by where you place your dtl shot. And the side spin is good as far as giving your opponent more to think about.
     
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    I can think of a few possible reasons:
    - late in your stroke
    - incorrect swing path
    - you employ a late straightening of the arm in your stroke
    - too much rotation of the torso
     
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  8. tennis_hack

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    I run around a lot of forehands in order to hit my backhand, and this unwanted sidespin usually happens then - when I'm hitting backhands out of my forehand corner or otherwise inside out backhands - which are technically aimed down the line.
     
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  9. Lukhas

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    Stop aiming for the lines, aim for slightly inside the court. Boom, you have more margin for error all of sudden.
    And unless your BH has Paire/Connors-like efficiency (in which case you wouldn't be posting so much about BH technique to begin with), stop running around it. You already said you have problem competing properly because you keep putting unnecessary challenges in matches on yourself.
     
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  10. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Stop hitting with sidespin.
     
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  11. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    Quite simple.

    There are 2 ways to fix this.
    1) Aim closer to the center. Tactical fix, 0 improvements in mechanics, keeps a potentially useful shot in your arsenal, potentially unstable during windy conditions.

    2) Keep your shoulders perpendicular to the net throughout the forward swing. A majority of the hit should come from your back muscles. What you are doing, is rotating your shoulders through the shot. This causes your racket to go sideways instead of up and forward.

    Another thing to keep in mind is to hit THROUGH the ball and towards your intended target. This might be a easier mental goal than keeping your shoulders from rotating.

    Something you can do, is drill with slow balls, and lift straight up the back of the ball. No power, just lift straight up (small backswing starting just below the ball if you need). That way, you get the feeling of hitting topspin properly. As you do this, you'll start to feel your back shoulder muscle at work (take my advice, hit the gym frequently so you balance the muscles out on both sides). You rotating your shoulders is likely the result of you trying to put power into a shot with flawed mechanics, leading to even worse mechanics.
     
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  12. TimeSpiral

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    You're the guy who posted this thread. What is you obsession with side spin? You actually hosted a thread suggesting that side spin should never intentionally be hit.

    Were you paying attention during that thread? There was lots of good information there, that quite thoroughly explains the three different types of spins and how they affect trajectory, and to some extent, the bounce of the ball.

    If you're actually asking an honest question, which for some reason I doubt, then here is your answer: don't spin the ball about the Y axis when playing your BH DTL. Also, keep in mind, that if you're playing the BH DTL OTR, even if you think you're striking the ball with pure topspin, you're kinetic energy is moving sideways and is partially transferred to the ball. And finally, what the heck are you doing hitting 1HBH DTL OTR shots anyway?
     
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  13. tennis_balla

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    Sidespin combined with topspin makes the ball hook INTO the court, not the other way around. Looks like you're doing it wrong.
     
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  14. TimeSpiral

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    Side spin(Y spin) can either be clockwise (CW) or counter clockwise (CCW), each respectively changing the trajectory of the ball in different directions.
     
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  15. tennis_balla

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    Sure, but not with topspin.
     
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    Of course with topsin! X and Y spin combos are extremely common, and useful, even at the rec levels.
     
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  17. sureshs

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    Sidespin and topspin are independent in the sense that they can be combined onto a single axis of rotation such that there is a rotation in the vertical plane (strict topspin) and a rotation in the horizontal plane (strict sidespin). What the OP is talking about is hitting low to up for top spin, but direction-wise going left to right and up on the inside of the ball. This will create topspin combined with a tendency of the ball to move left, and away from the left sideline. It is often done deliberately to move the ball away from the opponent rightie's forehand.
     
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    Good luck with that.
     
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    I think you may be a little confused on terminology here:

    --Inside-out backhand from the forehand corner would be CC, not DTL... no such thing as a DTL inside-out shot.

    --DTL backhand from the forehand corner would be inside-in.

    ...right?
     
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  20. sureshs

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    Hmmm I didn't read his second post. Is he saying he hits backhands from the forehand side and is trying to go DTL but the ball goes wide? That is pretty understandable if he is putting topspin with some sidespin on the outside of the ball as if he is hitting CC from the BH side - but since he is actually camping on the FH side, the ball might very well go wide (right of the sideline). This is a very unusual shot - even more unusual than an inside-out BH.
     
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    IMO attempting to understand or respond to T_H's posts is a bit futile.... best we can hope for is to call out the wackier stuff so innocent bystanders don't get sucked into the whirlpool of hyperbole and misinformation...
     
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  22. TimeSpiral

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    Good point ... 10 good points.
     
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    I agree with the above post, ...there is nothing to fix except your ability to
    target your shot.
    Sounds like your Bh has good diagonal spin that causes it to hook and drop;
    a very effective combination that is the result of a properly struck groundstroke.

    This is very likely why your Bh is so good that you like to run around your Fh to
    hit it!
     
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