Silent Ban Discussion

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  1. veroniquem

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    That was like 15 years ago in an era that was much, much less computerized than now, before facebook or twitter and all those social networks that exist now. Much, much easier to hide anything then.
     
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  2. Gonzo_style

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    This

    Some time ago I was annoyed when people talked about it, but now even I'm starting to believe it...
     
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    Oh really? That is what they said about Armstrong. Nobody wanted to believe Armstrong doped but the rumors kept coming. Where there is smoke there is fire, unfortunately.
     
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    It was also widely rumored that Micheal Jordan received a 'silent ban' for gambling from the NBA and that's why he did the whole baseball thing.
     
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    Mononucleosis is a serious illness that could end anyone's career, and for this reason it could be a good story to cover a silent ban. However I agree that the ATP could afford to publicly ban Soderling.
     
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    Harder today, agreed, but not impossible. Lance did it for the longest time until his fellow teammates turned on him. Nadal's team is very tight, very beneficial, let's see how that plays out in time.
     
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  7. Flash O'Groove

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    Internet as nothing to do with it. If someone privy to Agassi's drug abuse wanted to leak it, he could have done it just as easily as today. Newspapers existed already.
     
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    Because they have to have some sort of punishment system in place at the same time. They are caught between wanting to protect its biggest stars and making sure the sport of tennis is not tainted and trying to maintain some degree of vigilance especially with cases like Lance Armstrong looming over their shoulders. You think it is a coincidence that this is happening just as the full details of the Armstrong case have come out?
     
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    It is just as easy now especially when you have the governing bodies of the sport and sponsors protecting their star players. Don't be naive. The only thing is they have to be careful now that the Armstrong case has just come to light and there is also the OperaciĆ³n Puerto trial which is supposedly taking place early in 2013. Wasn't Nadal's name supposedly on that list which was buried, meaning the Fuentes patient list?
     
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    Much harder to do through traditional media outlets.
     
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    No it is not. In the Armstrong case there were French reporters I believe who reported a failed test and started to dig around and they were promptly quashed and threatened by Armstrong and the governing cycling bodies. No journalist is going to take a chance and report about this type of thing unless it is a done deal.
     
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    I think they would like "thrilling" spectacles more. The kind of thing that brings the coverage contracts
     
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    Well yeah but silent ban would provoke speculation like that (no offence) more than anything.

    The system in place gives credibility to the sport. Lance's case has to do with politics and it's obviously an abberation to the normal procedure otherwise he would have been caught much earlier.
     
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    The normal system in place does not apply when you are talking about the elite stars.
     
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    When how does silent ban relate to that system? In my view it doesn't. That's my original point
     
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    The issue is, if you crucify one of your biggest stars and end up killing the sport, is it really worth it?
     
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  17. DRII

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    Oh whatever...

    If Nadal is on a silent ban then Federer is bi-sexual.

    Which scenario has more evidence of existence?
     
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  18. TMF

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    Stop trolling !:twisted:
     
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    Oh whatever

    You either want to deflect from the original topic acknowledging the the legitimacy of the speculation or you would like to explore topics of your interest ( bi-sexuality)

    Which scenario has more evidence of existence?
     
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    You do not have any idea what you're talking about. Cortisone is NOT the same as peds. Unless you think cortisone contains testosterone. Shocking how little some of you know about this stuff yet still spout this garbage.
     
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    Because they still have to have some system of punishment in place even for the biggest stars especially with everything going on now--i.e. Armstrong, Fuentes, etc., but they don't want to make that public and tarnish the sport. It is very simple really.
     
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    Right, acusing Nadal of being on a silent ban is just honest debate and deserves to be put up for discussion :confused:

    Psyche :twisted:

    Some of you should be ashamed to make such acusations with no evidence!!!

    Especially when it comes to one of the biggest names in the sport!
     
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  23. Clarky21

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    So? I have seen *******s accuse Nadal of starting steroids when he only 14-15 years old.
     
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    Beeotch, theres nothing legitimate about you and others' silent ban speculation! Its liable and slanderous!
     
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    Please, save it. We are way beyond that point now.
     
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  26. DRII

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    Please save yourself from looking like a dumb *** or just being an ***!

    You perpetrators of this crap really should watch your step.

    Do you even realize what you're accusing in these various threads :confused:
     
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  27. billnepill

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    Boy you are so afraid of this being true. Chillax it is not true but even it was you would still find some perfectly good reason to like Nadal :)

    For the record I am against the theory. Read the posts. No need to act like know-it-all
     
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  28. TMF

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    This is not the only place that people doubt his silent ban or his injury claim is sincere. Look around and many fans felt the same. There's many athletes(eg Steve Nash) have far more severe injuries far than Nadal, but they return to the sport in a very short time, not 8 months.

    However you call Fed a bi-sexual just to hijack the thread.
     
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  29. MasturB

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    Point being, if Rafa wasn't a huge star in tennis and sports in general, and didn't hold so many unbelievable records, he probably would've been publicly banned. Rafa is a huge draw no matter if you love him or hate him. He sells tickets. Odesnik does not. He's expendable and can be shown as an example to the public and rest of the tour about doping.

    Barry Bonds everybody knew was doping. Everybody knew McGwire was doping also. Nobody cared because they're entertaining to watch. It's rumored that baseball blackballed Barry Bonds AFTER he broke the all-time homerun record, because if they did it before they'd speculate that baseball never wanted him to touch the record. Bonds was still a very good hitter his last season and could've easily become a DH in the AL somewhere but nobody wanted to sign him because of his baggage and perhaps because MLB told teams to not do it.


    Is publicly punishing Rafa worth the cost of tarnishing the legacy of your sport? Tennis is at an all-time high in terms of popularity right now globally. It may not be a major sport in the USA but it's either the #1 or #2 sport in most major places around the world.

    I cannot believe how some of you believe the ATP has too much integrity to do a silent ban. That's very naive. The NFL changes rules to protect its quarterbacks because quarterbacks sell tickets. The NBA changes its rules to benefit players. Fifa rigs stuff too.
     
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    Do you believe that Nadal is the only player that dopes on the entire ATP tour? Do you believe that none of the rest of the top 5 are doping(I think they all are), but that Nadal is the only one to ever get caught and silently banned? More than once while no other player is ever caught? This is just bs to the highest order.

    And like I already said in another post; the doper's are ALWAYS ahead of the testing. Always. It would be rare for a player to test positive in the first place in order to placed on a mythical silent ban.
     
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  31. mattennis

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    The silent ban hypothesis is really, really weak.

    Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, Murray, Ferrer and all the rest, if they are taking anything, they are taking probably the very same things, all of them.

    My guess is that Nadal is not feeling the desire, the thrilling of it all, and he is taking it slowly to be able to understand what he really wants at this stage of his life.
     
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    But nobody is saying other players do not dope but the rumor is that Nadal did fail a drug test or two in the past if you have read other forums and tennis sites. You can't always believe what you read this is true, but if you look at everything combined it starts to make more sense. Nothing is impossible especially after the Armstrong case.
     
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    Well if they are doping, Nadal and Ferrer (and maybe Tsonga) look like the most obvious dopers.

    Maybe Nadal got caught and the others aren't getting caught.

    I just really find it hard to believe Fed would be doping. His game looks all natural. He doesn't grunt and try to hit maximum force on all of his shots like Rafa does. And despite what all his lovers say about how he doesn't look tired sometimes, I've seen him get fatigue several times against Rafa in particular. AO 2009 he ran out of gas. He doesn't make the mistake of trying to win every point like Rafa does. Fed knows when to let a ball go and move on to the next point. Rafa grinds the hell out of every point, and while that may work on clay, it's terrible for his knees on hardcourts.

    Rafa's game would have him likely get injured moreso than Murray or Novak. Murray doesn't hit with as much power as Rafa, and he doesn't hit all sorts of contorted body angles on the run like Nadal does either. While his forehand isn't the prettiest, his backhand is very technically sound and his slices is as well. Remember you don't just take the drugs to become superman, you take drugs to recover faster and heal faster. You can make the case that Novak could be injury prone with how much he slides and splits, but he's certainly not a grinder like Rafa.
     
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    Rumors are not proof. And I already said that if Nadal has ever tested postive then the rest of them have too.
     
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  35. Clarky21

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    Agreed on all counts.
     
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  36. Tony48

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    I never for a second believed that Nadal was currently serving a "silent ban". But if he doesn't compete at Roland Garros.....then that will definitely fuel speculation.
     
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    Sure. So you believe that Nadal would be the only caught, even though they are all probably taking close to the same things? Did you happen to see the immense jump in performance from a certain career #3 player who then went on to have the best season of this career after spending years as a weakling? Sorry, but if Nadal is getting caught then so are the others.


    Oh, bs. Fed would benefit from dope too just the same as the rest of them. He is still beating guys much younger than he is who are all on the dope themselves. It's just ******* nonsense to think his game is too effortless to need peds. Fed can grind with the best of them when the need arises.

    Sorry, but Eeyore has become more of a grinder than he ever used to be within the last 2 years. He made a complete turn around physically like I have never seen before. He is obviously doped up to his bugged out eyeballs. To believe Nadal is the only one who dopes is such crap I would have to think someone would have to be living in a cave all these years to believe it.
     
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    Rumors are not proof but as I have said, the rumors for years along with many other things all start to make some sense. And if rumors are not proof why do you keep insisting that the rumor about Djokovic doping is fact? You are part of the whole double standard here, you believe the players you dislike dope but not your favorites, that is silly. I agree with you that probably all the top players dope but again the focus right now is on Nadal's absence not Federer's or Djokovic's, you seem to be forgetting that crucial fact.
     
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    Wrong. I said that I believe ALL of the top players are doping, and that includes Nadal.
     
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    So then just focus on the facts at hand currently, and that is that Nadal is the one who has been missing in action, not Federer or Djokovic (even though they may be doped to the gills.)
     
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    In bold quote
     
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    Well, Nadal won 3 slams and completed the career slam when he was 24 years old, and guess what the topic of conversation was around here? That he was doping, and the doping helped him increase his serve so he could win the USO. How is that any different from Eeyore? Oh, except that Nadal did not spend his entire career up until that point as a weakling who came out of nowhere to win 3 slams in one year and not lose a single match until June. Makes perfect sense to me.

    And Fed does and can grind with the best of them. Sorry, but peds would help him just the same. And what about his younger years? I am sure he was on something then as well.

    Eeyore grinds and plays more defense now than he ever did before. And lol at you saying that Nadal's style of play causes him to dope more than the others so therefore he deserves to be raked over the coals more than the others do because of it. :lol: Ridiculous.
     
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    I'm not sure I'm quite ready to jump on the "silent ban" wagon just yet, but Rafa pulling out of the AO certainly is adding fuel to the fire.
     
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    Come on man, you can't possibly believe that *if* Fed doped it would be anywhere near the amount that Rafa would. I am not naive and stupid, if one dopes they all more than likely dope.

    However if there was one who didn't, I do believe it is Fed. You could really start the floodgates by comparing the generation before where Fed was cleaning up to the new generation which is possibly almost all on PED's. The thing is what Fed does great does not require PED's. He is by far the most talented player playing now, and the most ever by a small but significant margin. The rest all use a variety of pushing and grinding to win slams, period.
     
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    Dont be funny Fed is nearly 32 years old,he is grandfather for professional sports and the only reason he still good is he DOPES.Talent means nothing if you cant move well and if you dont have the stamina and power in todays tennis.He DOPES just like Agassi used to do in his late career.
     
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  46. bullfan

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    That's a bunch of crap.
     
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    No it is not. Wake up!
     
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    I believe that if any of the top 4 are taking anything, then they all are taking something. Fed included. I would tend to think that there would be more epo for recovery. I wonder if you think that Nadal has no knee issues? It seems a bit contradictory that he plays a grinding style that would be conducive to injury and bam he claims to be injured. And lets face it Nadal has normally gotten burned out by the end of the year due to his crappy scheduling.
     
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    This is a no win conversation, given that folks want to believe it because Nadal owns Fed.
     
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    Let's say Nadal IS serving a silent ban. When would it be lifted?
     

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