Silent Partner Swing Mounting v.s. ATS Super stringer/X-2 mounting

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  1. Mansewerz

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    I searched and it said the Swing's mounting is just the 2 pt with some supports. I've also read that it's feeble looking. How do the mountings of these two compare? Is the Swing good at preventing deformation better than the ATS and x-2 because on the ATS, my frame shortened by 1/8th to 1/4 of an inch. This was a fischer pro number 1 and I don't want frames to be bending when I string it. Thanks.
     
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    Bump to this.
     
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    I would say SP Swring's 4 extra support points are definitely a positive over a typical 2-point mounting system. You just need to make sure the mounts are tightened.
     
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  4. Mansewerz

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    Great. So it should definately help on these shortening problems? By the way, do you have any hands on experience with it. I've heard nothing but great things about the machine except after about 100 string jobs, the clamps and tensioner begin to slip.
     
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    Yeah, I've strung nearly 50 times on the SP Swing. If the clamps and tensioners start to slip, clean them up with alcohol.

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    Those knobs, as you can see, are kinda crude and requires quite a bit of muscle to tighten. The only thing that stops slipping are those screws attached to the knobs. The surface area is quite small. Just make sure to tighten them very well.
     
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    Great, thanks for the help. How is the clutch? Is it difficult to use? and do the screws leave imprints in the turntable? I've used a ratchet clutch before btw.
     
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    The clutch is better than ratchet. I like the tensioner of SP Swing better than my Gamma 602FC.

    I also worried about the screw leaving imprints on the turntable (actually just a bar), but I found no evidence of it after 50 or so jobs.
     
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    Good, cuz that's what happened with my ATS SSII and i got a metal splinter. Also, have you done any flexible frames?
     
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    Mainly my own: POG OS, and it's pretty flexible.
     
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    Is that the same as the Prince Graphite classic OS? I couldn't find the prince original graphite. Isn't the POG OS like 63 RA? My yonex is the same. By the way, you said you did about 50 string jobs, was the machine starting to crap out and break down, or did you want an upgrade for other reasons?
     
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    The machine was totally fine after 50 string jobs. No sign of wear or tear whatsoever.
    I just decided to spend a little more to buy a nicer machine. I sold mine for $125 and it looked new.
     
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    Sweet, and to the other question? So far you've been a great help and i'm really looking forward to this machine if I do get it. By the way, are the clamps lightweight and easy to use? my ATS clamps were really bulky and gave me some trouble.
     
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    The SP clamps are somewhat heavy, and they're still among the forum's favorite flying clamps (along with Klippermate's flying clamps) due to their quality build.
    I found them pretty easy to use.
    One poster mentioned that it's a little difficult to adjust the clamps to the perfect tightness for each string. It's true. The downside for those clamps is that, these clamps do tend to crush the strings a little bit because they do not have diamond coated surface to help the gripping.
     
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    I see. They are metal however, so that should be good. An allen wrench is required for adjusting right? Also, is your racquet the Prince Graphite Classic OS?
     
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    Yes, an allen wrench (which is provided) is required for adjusting the clamps.
    Yes, my racquet is prince graphite classic OS.
     
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    Thanks. By the way, do you usually clamp above the racquet or under on the silent partner?
     
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  17. zidane339

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    Hey Mansewerz, isnt the SP Swing $200?

    For $100 more, you could just get the Gamma Progression II, and it comes with free string.
     
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    you could make the same claim for $100 more you can get ____ instead of gamma progression.
     
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    ^^^^^

    True; of course with more money you could get something better.

    I just saying that for $100 more, you could get better 6 pt mounting and a good amount of free string that would cover some of the extra $100.
     
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    SP Swing comes with a 660' reel of synthetic gut string.
     
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    Under.
    If you clamp over the string, the clamp will fall onto its side.
     
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    Oh thats nice too. I had no idea.
     
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  23. tsmcauliffe

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    I have an SP Swing and I like it. The clamps do smash a little but not much. I string higher than 60 lbs usually too. The mounting system is relatively easy to use and I haven't had any frame warpage. I think for a beggining machine it is good. If anyone wants to wait, I''m going to buy an Alpha Revo 4k in about a month or two and I will be selling my Swing for 150 probably. I'll post on these boards when I order my Revo or you can email me at tsmcauliffe@gmail.com.
     
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    also the machine does come with a 660 foot reel of synthetic gut. Also you can clamp ontop or underneath on the SP.
     
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    Yea, but the SP comes with string too, and i've heard that gamma is just the same as many other machines except for its higher price. As long as the 6 pt on the SP prevents warpage, which i've heard it does well, then i'm happy. Thanks though.

    Thought so, cuz I saw YULitle do it with some Alpha flying clamps. As long as they are easier to open than the ATS ones, those were annoying, and I hurt my hand.

    yea, I saw you mention that you were going to get an Alpha and I posted askign if you would sell it, but I don't think you saw the message. Hmm, i'll think about it, i'm awaiting my refund confirmation for my ATS super stringer. How many times have you used this machine? Plus, the color and ruler built in are very nice.
     
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    I've only used it for about 30 rackets or so. It's all in really good condition, 'cause I hate when **** looks bad. I clean the clamps every 5 stringings, which I know you'll probably say is overkill, but I like to be safe. Man, what's your email?
     
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    shoot me an e-mail with some details and possibly a picture and i'll tell you what I think. :D
     
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    By the way, any more input from others? And what is your e-mail tsmcauliffe?
     
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    Bump bump. 10 chars
     
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    Btw, anyone here ever string a frame that was like 60 RA stiffness?
     
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    Bump to this, any more input on the mounting system. Some people say it's a two point, but isn't it an inside 6 pt system?
     
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    6 support points.
    The inside 6 points are different from what most people know as a 6-point mount, but it still has 6 support points, and therefore the stress is distributed over 6 points.
     
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  33. Mansewerz

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    Oh, I thought so.
     
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    Hey Mansewerz, saw that you were interested in tha gamma x-6 fc ambro's selling. Just as a heads up, he told me he sold it a while back.
     
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    Thanks dude, you're saving me some trouble.
     
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    ^^^^^^
    Haha no prob. I would of bought it if it was still avaliable, seems like a nice machine.
     
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  37. Mansewerz

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    Also, is the clutch on this thing easy to use. I've heard that the SP's clutch takes some muscle and has sharp edges. Then again, the sharp edges part was from the Eagnas website.
     
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    No sharp edges on my Swing, thank you. I remember the clutch was pretty stiff on my first few racquets, and it did take a bit of muscle, but it loosened up after a few frames and takes little effort now. Or maybe I've just built up super wrist strength from using it. :)
     
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    ^^^
    You need far more muscle to open and close the clamps, tighten the mounts, etc.
     
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    Good to know. Do you guys have any experience with the ATS superstringer clamps? they sucked. btw, Nuke, were you pleased with your purchase? I'm like this close to buying lol
     
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    Yeah, I'd definitely buy it again. It does a good job and I expect to get many more years of service from it.
     
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    In a nutshell, SP Swing is pretty much the only $200 machine in the market (not counting Eagnas).
    It's better than the $150 machines.
    It's not as good as the $300 machines.
    If you aren't satisfied with the $150 machines, but don't want to spend $300, there is SP Swing.
     
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    Agreed. And Eagnes machines suck nuts. Go with the SP Swing (buy it from me) and you will not regret it. My clutch wasn't stiff and I had never strung in my life, just pulled it out of the box and strung a racket with no knowledge. Really very easy to use.
     
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    I think I may just get it new for the warranty, strings, and that whole brand new quality. Nothing personal or against your machine, I'd just rather get it new. Thanks for the consideration though. Thanks for all of the help guys. I'll be most likely purchasing it sometime this week, probably even tomorrow. Will update on my feelings once I receive it and string with it. Plus, after this week, I have summer vacation. I spent the last 5 hours studying for finals because that's all i've got left. The woes of Freshman year of HS.....
     
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    ^^^^
    Dude I know how you feel. Only its three more years for you and four more years of college for me!
     
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    My first final was easy, and now i'm home because one of my classes was a study hall and there is no final for that :D
     
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    Hey man, I think I might be getting a Alpha Revo 4000, so if you're interested in my Gamma Progression email me at zidane339@aol.com.
     
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    Really? Thanks for the offer. Ironically, I just ordered an SP swing like 1 hour ago. Strange thing is, they don't send an order confirmation. I hope they still send a tracking code. However, if I am unsatisfied, i'll hit you up for that Gamma Progression. Thanks for the consideration, not a lot of guys would do that.
     
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    No problem. That is ironic. Can you cancel possibly? Haha kidding. I'm posting it on this forum for sale. If you want it hit me up. Thanks man.
     
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