Silent Partner Swing

Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by faizan, Apr 21, 2008.

  1. faizan

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    Has anybody used the silent partner swing, i just wanted to get a little bit of feed back on how it is because the price seems to good to be true compared to other machines. and also the idea of a clutch for the drop weight machine does it actually work and are drop weight machines really as much of a pain to use as they say other machines are.
     
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  2. Mansewerz

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    I've heard that after a little use, dropweights are pretty easy. your judgement skills get better. And the clutch does help, just like a ratchet would.
     
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  3. faizan

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    what is a ratchet and what does it do.
     
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  4. WildVolley

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    When the weight falls below parallel, it needs to be dropped again to get to parallel. The ratchet allows you to lift the arm with the weight while keeping tension on the string without releasing it and starting again.

    On stringers with a circular (drum) type gripper, like the Swing, you grab the string gripper with one hand and hold it in place while lifting the arm with the other hand and then releasing the arm again. If your judgment is good, it should then fall to parallel, allowing you to move the clamp and continue stringing.

    SP calls the mechanism that allow the arm to be lifted separately of the string gripper a clutch. It makes no ratcheting sound.
     
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  5. Zhou

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    I believe the Alpha Pioneer offers the a ratchet tensioner on a linear gripper.
     
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  6. Purostaff

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    I have mine for 2.5 years now... huge money saver. Average string time is around 40-50 minute once you're used to it (although I did a speed run once within 25 min).

    The clutch thing works, and it helps a TON... for me at least.
     
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  7. WildVolley

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    I've heard that it does. It seems to be a superior stringer, especially the one with the fixed clamps. However, it does cost twice as much as the SP Swing.
     
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  8. faizan

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    Have you hit any problems at all with this machine?
     
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  9. Nuke

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    I've been using the Swing for two years. Very solid machine. No problems here. Still takes me about an hour to string a racquet, but I'm not really going for speed, and I'm not stringing often enough to get much faster.
     
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  10. faizan

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    do you lose any tension from the flying clamps, ive heard that that happens often. and the tension that you intend to string the racquet at is that the tension that it ends up at, or is off by a couple of pounds.
     
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  11. Nuke

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    Well, yes, but that's a problem you'll have with all flying clamps. You are clamping the string to one of its neighbor strings, so when you release the tension, the clamp will twist a bit and give back some of the tension. It's not much, but it's there. You can compensate by adding a pound or two of tension, but just the fact that you're using a drop weight machine may offset that -- the drop weight machine is constant pull, as opposed to a crank with a lockout mechanism, so you might wind up with a tighter stringbed with the Swing, even with some loss of tension from the flying clamps. Really, what you want is consistency in a stringer, and you can get that with any type, once you get used to it.
     
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  12. faizan

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    thanks alot this thread really helped i think im gonna go ahead and buy it in a couple of weeks after talking to my dad, since ive read nothing but good reviews about this machine.
     
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  13. WillyWonka

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    There are a few new stringers on the SP web site! Crump and Hip Hop. You may want to look at the Hip Hop.
     
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  14. lethalfang

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    Looks like some cool stuff. If the Hip Hop were available a year ago, I would've bought it.
     
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    If only the clamps were spring assisted...
     
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  16. el sergento

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    Agh, me too, I sprung on a Swing. I'm not complaining, I'm happy with the Swing but that Hip Hop looks nice.

    You'll want to be careful with the clamps on the Swing, they'll chew up the string quite badly if not adjusted properly.
     
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  17. lethalfang

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    I've had a SP Swing for almost a year, but I wanted fixed clamps and more sturdy mounts after a while so I sold it. I liked the quality of the Swing, so if Silent Partner had something like the Hip Hop, I would've seriously considered buying that.
    I would've definitely bought the HIP HOP if it had the CRUMP's base.
     
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  18. el sergento

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    How did you find the clamps on the Swing?? I'm having the toughest time calibrating them. They're either too loose and the string slips or too tight and they damage the strings. I mostly use 17 gauge strings and I can't seem to find the sweetspot even though I'm on my 10th string job.
     
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  19. lethalfang

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    Trial and error. No other way.
     
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  20. kmartin

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    For $150 they can be. I asked SP if you could get the Hip Hop with the clamps that come on the Maestro & Aria, and they said you could buy them separately. But the additional $150 changes the dynamics a bit, putting it up with the Revo price-wise. That would be my close to my perfect machine, except there's no linear gripper, or an any angle dropweight like a Strinqway has. Does a linear gripper protect the string significantly more, as a practical matter?
     
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  21. kobun

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    I have used the SP Swing for about 2 1/2 years. It's a solid machine. I chose it over the eStringer because I heard cheap electronics have consistency issues with voltage and pull and break easier, while the SP Swing uses natural physics and gravity to get consistency.

    But now I've moved out and my friend has the stringer. Should i buy the same one again, or move on to another consistent stringer? What should i get??

    (I have a better budget this time around seeing that I've moved on from college and starting my career. Time is more important than money/food now :)).
     
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  22. kobun

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    After quite a bit of research, it looks like the revo has been getting rave reviews as of recent. I think I might buy into one, even tho i only string about once every 2-3 months. I just want a quicker means of stringing than the drop weight, even tho the Swing was such a solid stringer.
     
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  23. WildVolley

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    If time is more important, you know that a drop weight (assuming it isn't one of those seemingly unavailable laserfibre trick dropweights) isn't the fastest machine. A crank is said to be faster if you're willing to live with a lock-out machine.

    I just received a crank machine, not because I needed the speed, but since it seemed such a bargain as I'm getting it used. I'll have to see how much faster it is. I like the Swing, but if I was choosing a machine to string fast, it wouldn't be my choice.
     
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  24. max

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    Kind of interesting that a poster above says he takes about an hour to do a string job with the SP Swing. . .

    I use a Klippermate and it takes me about as much, sometimes a bit less, to do a frame.

    I have to assume the ratchet mechanism doesn't really add that much to the speed picture.
     
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  25. Mansewerz

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    It's more mental IMO. To me, I think having to give more slack is more of a hassle than a clutch. I often have to give more slack on my Swing as well, but mostly not.


    I really like that Swing. It's bulit very solidly and the mounting gives me that extra piece of mind.
     
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    Yeah. I think if the SP Swing had been around at the time I purchased my K-mate, well I'd have swung for the swing. . .

    Good clamps from what I understand.
     
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    Mmmmm, after reading the forums for a bit, I wish I had gone for the MP hercules (not that the SP swing isn't good enough) since for 100 more, it has fixed clamps and a linear gripper. Mostly the fixed clamps, since on OS racquets, the flying clamps don't quite reach the outside two crosses. If they did, I'd have 0 problems whatsoever with the swing.

    As for the clutch saving time, if I cared to, I could make it so I get it on the first drop every time, but since I'm lazy, I use the clutch a lot, so it really doesn't save me that much time over just putting it in right the first time. Doesn't really save any time for me
     
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  28. WildVolley

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    The swing has a kind-of 2/fake6 point mounting system which makes it a little slower if you're stringing different racquets. Once you get the mounts adjusted for the racquet you're stringing, I think the Swing holds the racquet better than some other inexpensive 2-point systems. But it does eat up some time until you get the hang of it.

    Other than that, I don't see why the Swing would be any slower to string on than any other inexpensive drop-weight stringer. A linear gripper would be nice, but it is probably only a little faster than the drum-type gripper on the swing(a linear gripper is probably easier on the string). I think a clutch is faster than having to re-drop the string, but then I have no experience on a klippermate, so I may be wrong. Again, with an experienced stringer, one system is probably only slightly better than another.

    Having to drop the weight to parallel, unless you have really good judgment, makes dropweights slower than other stringing techniques. That's why the laserfibre-type dropweight that doesn't demand precision is such a breakthru.

    I'm slow stringing on the Swing because of my inefficient string measuring technique, extra movements, and slow weaving. On the other hand, I'm getting very consistent stringing using the Swing, so my technique has definitely improved.
     
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  29. spectraflamed

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    I bought a SP Swing used for around $100 shipped and it is awesome. I have not used anything else so I cannot compare but it is easy to use.
     
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  30. max

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    I'm a slow-weaver, too. And once or twice, getting started, I bungled on the cross-weaves. So I take my time and check and doublecheck so I don't doubleweave.

    But the extra 5-10 minutes doesn't really matter at all. I enjoy stringing on my K-mate. It's fun, and I enjoy doing things.
     
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  31. Mansewerz

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    Yea, I make sure I don't misweave. The only other problem other than the clamps not opening wide enough is the clamps have to be on top during crosses and you have to be careful not to bump them while weaving, tensioning, or tying knots. Minor nuisance though.
     
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