Silicone in handle, the missing link to Holy Grail

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  1. christo

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    No wonder Pat Rafter had his frames silicone injected in the handle. I had been experimenting with lead tape on my Maxply McEnroes and had popped off the Butt cap and jammed a packet of lead tape in there (without the packaging obviously) to add weight and lighten up the head a bit. It worked wonders. Anyway I could hear the lead tape rattling around in there and was looking to fix it in there. Remembering the tale of Rafter I went and got a small tube of Silicon bathroom caulking and squeezed a healthy portion in to the end of the handle, letting it set up overnite. Well, I cannot believe how stable and smooth the frame is with this setup. There is ZERO vibration . Poly hybrid setup, no dampener, no pain, just smooth as silk. Yeah baby! Now I have 2 more to set up the same way.
     
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  2. squints

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    some people pack silicon pellets into their handles. it can be easier to remove and will dampen vibration while keeping feel. Nice ingenuity, hope it goes well, otherwise it'd be a shame. I'd love to see some pics!
     
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  3. Chauvalito

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    I might try this with some of my old sticks for fun...just to make one insanely heavy...

    lets see what I have laying around...

    I have battered and bruised c10 pro x-tended, which is just around 11 oz., that might be perfect.
     
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  4. nhstennis

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    do u think the silicone in ur stick weighs more than an ounce???
     
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  5. christo

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    No, not even close, keep in mind I wanted to use it to secure the lead tape. The frame weighed 11.8 before the silicone and 12.0 afterwards. The lead tape plugged most of the opening, the silicone oozed into the rest.
     
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  6. s.sharm01

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    so ur frame was 11.8 with the lead ... right...???
     
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    So you have implants now? :p
     
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  8. Sigi

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    For those who remember, Kneissl actually used silicone in their handles in their older models. Their new models do not.

    One tip, it might be a good idea to pack cotton balls up in the handle before putting the silicone in.
     
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  9. Kirko

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    I think your right. I'm using a prince magnesium pro & the handle is a solid foamed grip no vibration or sounding like a musical instrument; just great feel and I can actually feel the "flex" when I hit the ball. Kinda like the feel of wood racket.
     
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  11. WhiteSox05CA

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    Is this the method most pro's use? I know you can see lead tape on some pro's racquets, but do the rest use silicon?
     
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    i 've implant in my Rebel since 2 yrs ago. its cap can be opened. i stuff 5g. of coil lead (for fishing) into the opening, between the nails (securing the butt cap) and the cap. Filled up with window glass silicone (brown)

    i also use transparent silicon gel for sticking coin in the butt, easy to remove if u use a little thicker (1~1.5mm) layer of the gel.

    i guess Volkl rackets have silicon butt caps and that's where it is not too easy to remove (the gel at least)
     
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  13. louis netman

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    Be careful! I once had a jolly 'ol time squirting silicone inside the handle of a 300G.... The stuff filled the entire frame and by the time I was through, it weighed 2 lbs...
     
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  14. Sigi

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    Christo,

    What brand of silicone did you use?

    Sigi
     
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  15. Ljubicic for number1

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    Guys instead of using silicon to hold the lead in place I use hot melt glue as the actual weight, you get a more stable feel with the glue, I use lead on the ouside of the handle first for trial and error and once I know how much weight i want I weigh a glue stick on my digital scales and use that instead of the lead.

    The down fall to this approach is its very hard to remove if you change your mind.
     
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  16. squints

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    it seems that anirut's method is the way to go, since it dampens vibration without affecting feel. And it is entirely reversible. i would like to defintey try it with my racquet(s) in the future.
     
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  17. louis netman

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    Although glue may not have all the shock absorbing properties of slicone, that's a very accurate way to do things...
     
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  18. 10sfreak

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    Ok, so what's anirut's method? I don't see his post on this...
     
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  19. diehard6.0

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    The major part of Volkl's sensor handle system is silicon job.
     
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    It's in my signature -- Making the Super Redondo. Just check it out.

    Cheers!
     
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  21. Ljubicic for number1

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    The hot melt glue sticks I use set very similar to silicon only very slightly harder "more brital" , but it definately works as a shock absorber. The glue is still soft enough to push a stringing awl straight threw it.
     
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  22. christo

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    A small tube I got from Home Depot
     
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  23. RRR

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    hot glue in sardine can

    I used to apply lead fishing weights with a glue gun but alas after a while they start to rattle around and that is not good. So i removed the lead shot cleaned the inside of the handle a little bit.

    I put some hot glue stick a clean sardine can with the lead shot and gently heated the can to make the lead glue soup.

    Making sure there was cotton stop two inches into the butt cavity, I pour in the hot glue with the lead balls. The result is quite good. There is a solid feel to it and I guess damping improved since the lead is securely nestled in a matrix of glue. results withe pc mid is fatastic. it feels like a more solid and stable hitting stick. I have tried tape in the hoop, but it really does not work for me. But in the handle it rocks.

    Maybe there is a thing about the "bipolar" theory. As i understand it, with the added weight at the handle the racket swings almost the same even with the wristy shots. but on ball impact the dipole effect of the lead at the butt counteracts torque and makes the racket deflect less, producing more plow through effect.
     
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  24. Dane

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    I use hot glue sticks in the handle wrapped with foam to keep it from rattling. I don't melt the glue, just measure to length/weight and wrapped with foam and tape over to keep it from unraveling while inserting. This way it is removable and adjustable.
     
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  25. chopstik

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    i used this stuff from home depot
    works pretty well

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  26. no1

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    +1... definitely a fun mod : )
     
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    All 3 of my rackets have silicone in the handle. To get the weight right, I stuck some lead fishing weights into the silicone as it was drying. To add a little more (after it finished curing) I pushed in some small nails. Since then, I've removed the nails, but all of my rackets have silicone injected in there.
     
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  28. Don't Let It Bounce

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    That's interesting. It looks to be less dense than silicone, so the weight could be more easily distributed throughout the handle. Any chance you know its density, or at least how much weight it added and how far up the handle you sprayed it?
     
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